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Post by kds on Nov 19, 2021 14:55:12 GMT
I really have no expectations at this point for a new Beach Boys studio album. But, I'd be fine with a new Brian studio album if the songs are of decent quality.
Sorry, Sheriff, I'll respectfully disagree here, I feel "They blew it again" is a bit extreme.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Nov 19, 2021 15:11:05 GMT
The soundtrack album is not necessary. It'll come and go with barely a whisper, even more than Brian's other solo albums. They blew it again. It was staring them right in the face. Here was an opportunity to take a half-dozen new (in some degree/form) BW songs and "build" a 60th Anniversary BEACH BOYS' album! I don't know that I can agree with you. First, "necessary" has nothing to do with any of this! It's pop music, NONE OF IT is necessary! Second, it's his career, he's welcome to do what he wants, whether or not it it'll "come and go with barely a whisper."
Sure, if the soundtrack includes some good Brian Wilson songs and you are in the camp that prefers a Beach Boys reunion album, I get the frustration. (I share that part of it, to some degree.) But that's flawed thinking to imagine those are the only two possibilities. Just as likely might be it was either this soundtrack album or not, with no option for a Beach Boys album. The fantasizing is enjoyable, but that doesn't make any of the fantasies real.
It's entirely possible--speculation alert!--that there just isn't any desire from the principals to make a new Beach Boys album for the anniversary. That they're willing to cash in on the documentary, on some tribute shows, maybe on a track or two but probably just another comp. If that's the case, I'm not about to say that Brian ought not have released this album, whether it's a total commercial dud (quite likely) or a success (highly unlikely). I want the new music, just as I did No Pier Pressure and TLOS and the rest.
When I said it was not necessary, I was referring to the album, the project, the release - not the music. It'll be more Brian Wilson music that nobody will hear. And, I'm not questioning that Brian Wilson can do whatever he - or his wifeandmanagers - wants. I'm sorry but this is just more product, a wasted opportunity IMO.
What I am questioning are three things. Why not give the music its best opportunity to reach its full potential, which could be recorded, not by a solo Brian Wilson, but by The Beach Boys. And, why not give this music the best opportunity to have some commercial success. While That's Why God Made The Radio might not have lasted significantly...long...on the charts, it did reach No. 2 on the Billboard album charts, and it did gain some notoriety in the music world. And, third, no, I don't know what Brian and the other Beached Boys desire as far as a new Beach Boys' album is concerned. But, I think I do have a feeling or a hunch what Beach Boys' fan...prefer, and I don't think a quirky soundtrack album is it. Geez, where in the hell is Irving Azoff when you want him? In the Witness Protection Program?
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Post by kds on Nov 19, 2021 15:15:58 GMT
I don't know that I can agree with you. First, "necessary" has nothing to do with any of this! It's pop music, NONE OF IT is necessary! Second, it's his career, he's welcome to do what he wants, whether or not it it'll "come and go with barely a whisper."
Sure, if the soundtrack includes some good Brian Wilson songs and you are in the camp that prefers a Beach Boys reunion album, I get the frustration. (I share that part of it, to some degree.) But that's flawed thinking to imagine those are the only two possibilities. Just as likely might be it was either this soundtrack album or not, with no option for a Beach Boys album. The fantasizing is enjoyable, but that doesn't make any of the fantasies real.
It's entirely possible--speculation alert!--that there just isn't any desire from the principals to make a new Beach Boys album for the anniversary. That they're willing to cash in on the documentary, on some tribute shows, maybe on a track or two but probably just another comp. If that's the case, I'm not about to say that Brian ought not have released this album, whether it's a total commercial dud (quite likely) or a success (highly unlikely). I want the new music, just as I did No Pier Pressure and TLOS and the rest.
When I said it was not necessary, I was referring to the album, the project, the release - not the music. It'll be more Brian Wilson music that nobody will hear. And, I'm not questioning that Brian Wilson can do whatever he - or his wifeandmanagers - wants. I'm sorry but this is just more product, a wasted opportunity IMO.
What I am questioning are three things. Why not give the music its best opportunity to reach its full potential, which could be recorded, not by a solo Brian Wilson, but by The Beach Boys. And, why not give this music the best opportunity to have some commercial success. While That's Why God Made The Radio might not have lasted significantly...long...on the charts, it did reach No. 2 on the Billboard album charts, and it did gain some notoriety in the music world. And, third, no, I don't know what Brian and the other Beached Boys desire as far as a new Beach Boys' album is concerned. But, I think I do have a feeling or a hunch what Beach Boys' fan...prefer, and I don't think a quirky soundtrack album is it. Geez, where in the hell is Irving Azoff when you want him? In the Witness Protection Program?
Granted, it wasn't a Top 2 album, but for a late career solo album, NPP did pretty well. So I think this is hardly new Brian Wilson music that "nobody will hear." And, I wouldn't even lay any blame on Azoff. What's he supposed to do, force the Wilsons, Loves, Al, and whoever into a room and tell them to put out a new studio album?
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Nov 19, 2021 15:18:09 GMT
When I said it was not necessary, I was referring to the album, the project, the release - not the music. It'll be more Brian Wilson music that nobody will hear. And, I'm not questioning that Brian Wilson can do whatever he - or his wifeandmanagers - wants. I'm sorry but this is just more product, a wasted opportunity IMO.
What I am questioning are three things. Why not give the music its best opportunity to reach its full potential, which could be recorded, not by a solo Brian Wilson, but by The Beach Boys. And, why not give this music the best opportunity to have some commercial success. While That's Why God Made The Radio might not have lasted significantly...long...on the charts, it did reach No. 2 on the Billboard album charts, and it did gain some notoriety in the music world. And, third, no, I don't know what Brian and the other Beached Boys desire as far as a new Beach Boys' album is concerned. But, I think I do have a feeling or a hunch what Beach Boys' fan...prefer, and I don't think a quirky soundtrack album is it. Geez, where in the hell is Irving Azoff when you want him? In the Witness Protection Program?
...I wouldn't even lay any blame on Azoff. What's he supposed to do, force the Wilsons, Loves, Al, and whoever into a room and tell them to put out a new studio album? Yes!
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Nov 19, 2021 15:26:11 GMT
Brian made a guest appearance at a Q & A after an L.A. screening of Long Promised Road. Warning: It's very sad to see. Brian comes on at 8:20:
I know we're all told he's fine and everything is great, but that just doesn't feel right to me. Although, I guess it's been like that for a while now...
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Post by kds on Nov 19, 2021 15:45:11 GMT
...I wouldn't even lay any blame on Azoff. What's he supposed to do, force the Wilsons, Loves, Al, and whoever into a room and tell them to put out a new studio album? Yes! OK, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't see any point in angst over anything they do or don't do at this point in their career.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 19, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
I just watched the portion of the Q&A with Brian. Watching him be helped onto the stage doesn't really bother me, aside from the sad understanding of reality-mortality. Not to be dismissive of people's unease, but it's normal. Many people his age are unsteady, increasingly frail, and need more help. If he wants to be in public but needs some help to do so, I'm all for him being out there with the help. (Frankly there is something brave and humble about that, as opposed to being so proud of one's own past self to avoid looking inferior to it later in life)
However, that's the rub: "if he wants to be in public." It's the oldest story in the world by this point, but those answers... If he wants to be there, he has a funny way of showing it. I find the interviews more annoying or disturbing than the concerts, because it's understandable how somebody's musical abilities deteriorate. But if he isn't willing, able, or both, to give at least reasonably good answers to questions, I don't see the benefit to bringing him out in front of a live audience to say "yes," "no," and "I don't remember."
On another note, YouTube is recommending to me to buy or rent the documentary. (How ever did they get the idea I'd be interested!? ) I really am looking forward to watching it tonight. As is so often the case with Beach Boys/BW stuff, even when I don't think I'm all that interested, eventually my excitement starts to build.
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Post by B.E. on Nov 20, 2021 0:22:30 GMT
The $14.99 is to purchase the movie, not just to rent. It’s pretty normal Amazon/iTunes/google play movies/YouTube movies pricing. $14.99 to purchase, $3.99 to rent. Also it appears as if the DVD will be released on January 18 according to the Amazon UK listing So if it's going to be $15 to digitally purchase the movie, I'd rather just wait until January 18 for a tangible copy. Just a heads up for everyone: the doc is available to rent for $6.99 or purchase for $14.99. That's standard for movies that are concurrently showing in theaters. Expect the rental price to drop to $2.99 or $3.99 in the future. Personally, I'm happy to purchase it at that price. I'm sure I'll re-watch it a few times over the years (most likely spurred by a thread on a Beach Boys message board!).
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Post by B.E. on Nov 20, 2021 0:37:50 GMT
Here is a Rock Cellar interview with Brent Wilson about the doc. And there is one answer that warrants particular attention:
A soundtrack album that will be ALL NEW MUSIC? (Obviously if it includes "Honeycomb," it won't be NEW-new, as in new originals, but at least newly recorded and released, I assume?)
Thanks for sharing, Kapitan. It's a pretty exciting time. A film and TWO albums in a little over a week's time! (The soundtrack album will be available 11/26.) Here are the tracks: Right Where I Belong I'm Going Home It's Not Easy Being Me Slightly American Music It's OK The Night Was So Young Honeycomb Long Promised Road I'm Broke Must Be A Miracle Rock & Roll Has Got A Hold On Me In My Room (Live) Here's a link (courtesy of TelephoneBGsOnAClearDay @ EHF): Long Promised Road.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 20, 2021 1:58:02 GMT
I bought and just watched it. I won't give spoilers, but I will say I really, really enjoyed it. Any quibbles can wait for another time. Very well done.
Thanks for that soundtrack track list. I am very excited to buy that.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 20, 2021 3:29:14 GMT
If they knew this was coming, why bother with the piano album? That's a great track lineup, but will it be GIOMH Part 2? I agree with the Sheriff. This is material that should have been on a high profile album, not a soundtrack to a movie very few will see. And quite frankly, how many "Brian Wilson is a Genius" type films do we need? When was his last work of genius? 1988? 1971? 1966? Too bad we won't ever get a film devoted to Carl or Dennis.
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Post by carllove on Nov 20, 2021 4:20:45 GMT
I bought and just watched it. I won't give spoilers, but I will say I really, really enjoyed it. Any quibbles can wait for another time. Very well done.
Thanks for that soundtrack track list. I am very excited to buy that.
I bought it and am watching it now. I think it’s really good. Love Don Was listening to “God Only Knows” at the soundboard. Great chemistry between him and Jason Fine. Definitely worth the purchase!
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Post by B.E. on Nov 20, 2021 5:18:56 GMT
I bought and just watched it. I won't give spoilers, but I will say I really, really enjoyed it. Any quibbles can wait for another time. Very well done.
Thanks for that soundtrack track list. I am very excited to buy that.
I bought it and am watching it now. I think it’s really good. Love Don Was listening to “God Only Knows” at the soundboard. Great chemistry between him and Jason Fine. Definitely worth the purchase! I just finished watching. I thought it was very well done. And I'm not usually a big documentary guy. I thought they balanced the happy and uplifting with the sad and uncomfortable very well - transitioning back and forth throughout. I was also pleased that a large portion of the film was indeed hanging out with Brian. I was a little worried they'd rely too much on archival footage, guest appearances, and (back)story telling. That said, it also worked pretty well as a telling of his whole career/life (considering the limitation of its runtime). To that end, I just think the filmmaking aspect was of very high quality - how they weaved through different eras and themes and settings and paired the music with the visuals throughout. Again, it felt high quality, it didn't feel cheap or low budget like many documentaries do (IMO). The main appeal, though, is just the insight that spending personal time with Brian brings (even if indirectly). I read a comment at SSMB about...well, actually, let me quote it here: I think the film is definitely worth the time of Brian Wilson fans. (Oh, and of course there's a few fun Brianisms to add to the list!) I think I might watch it a 2nd time over the weekend and take my spoiler comments to the review section. (But, I'll say this now: I was so into it that I was even enjoying a live performance of Brian talk-singing circa 2017. Seriously. He's hitting all the notes, and some with a really nice touch.)
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 20, 2021 11:29:35 GMT
Agree with both carllove and B.E., and with Wirestone! (I love Wirestone's posts, generally speaking. I had forgotten about him, to some degree, having not been at SSMB in a long while.)
The documentary is both exactly what it was marketed as, but also better than it seemed it would be, based on that.
I feel a little bad for those of you who are feeling a little curmudgeonly about it all, just because I felt a lot of joy watching it and knowing you are serious Beach Boys fans, I'd love you to have similarly good feelings. (And as far as "too bad we won't ever get a film devoted to Carl or Dennis" there are docs on both. Billy Hinsche did one on Carl, and the BBC did one on Dennis.) Personally I think this is the best of the BW docs so far, though maybe I'm just a little high on having just finally seen it.
Though to be clear, the aforementioned joy and "high" are not because it's fawning or all positive. It is more honest and telling, maybe even disturbing is the word, than any of the prior ones. Yes, there is the formula you'd expect, as it does loosely follow his life: so you're going to get the rise, the fall, and the resurgence. But it isn't told overly simplistically, and because contemporary Brian is the subject, you cannot escape who he is now, and what is his condition now. It's not "oh wow, he came through it all and now he' better than ever!"
More specific comments, I'll save for the film review thread so as not to be a spoiler.
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Post by carllove on Nov 20, 2021 14:10:56 GMT
I think the thing that really got me about the documentary was how much you actually got to see Brian’s emotions. I have to say, I shed a tear or two as well. Sometimes it felt a little uncomfortable when the camera just kept focusing on Brian as he has tears in his eyes, but it made this documentary so much more moving and personal than other ones I have seen about Brian. You can tell how much Jason cares for his friend as well. This is a documentary with heart that shows a side of Brian that we haven’t really had the opportunity to see before. In addition, there are indeed some surprising revelations. This really exceeded my expectations. I am so glad I purchased it instead of renting it. I am going to watch this several times.
I have never purchased any of Brian’s solo music, but I liked what I heard in the documentary, so I will probably take the plunge if Apple Music doesn’t have it available. I really enjoyed watching Brian work with his band. He does still have an ear and ideas. He knows what he wants. That was so good to see. There were times when he was working and telling the musicians what he wanted, that I had flashbacks to the Pet Sounds documentary. That was a great thing. It made him seem younger and more like the Genius we all love.
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