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Post by kds on Sept 5, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
Not really surprising. After all, wasn't Brian Wilson Presents Smile mainly Darian's idea?
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 5, 2019 17:46:58 GMT
Did anyone REALLY think Brian was doing the setlists? (Or even arrangements?) this cannot possibly be news to anyone. This was interesting: Asked if he thinks we'll ever see another proper Beach Boys tour, Jardine says, "Yeah, I think it is possible. As long as we keep our health intact. There's no reason why not. Some stuff is on the horizon. I really can't speak about it. But there are there are things that could change so that we could all be a unit. I think that would be very healthy. And very illuminating, you know. It’s always good to have the nucleus together. From what I read/hear, yes, there are fans who think that Brian, despite saying very little in interviews and looking totally disinterested in concert, makes decisions such as the songs performed in concert. I don't believe it for a second but some do. Or, at least they say they do.
As far as "some stuff on the horizon", the only thing that comes to mind would be the group's 60th Anniversary in 2021. I know that seems far away, but I would think some plans would start in 2020 which is a little over three months away - not that The Beach Boys are known for doing things in a timely manner.
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Post by kds on Sept 5, 2019 17:52:53 GMT
Did anyone REALLY think Brian was doing the setlists? (Or even arrangements?) this cannot possibly be news to anyone. This was interesting: Asked if he thinks we'll ever see another proper Beach Boys tour, Jardine says, "Yeah, I think it is possible. As long as we keep our health intact. There's no reason why not. Some stuff is on the horizon. I really can't speak about it. But there are there are things that could change so that we could all be a unit. I think that would be very healthy. And very illuminating, you know. It’s always good to have the nucleus together. From what I read/hear, yes, there are fans who think that Brian, despite saying very little in interviews and looking totally disinterested in concert, makes decisions such as the songs performed in concert. I don't believe it for a second but some do. Or, at least they say they do.
As far as "some stuff on the horizon", the only thing that comes to mind would be the group's 60th Anniversary in 2021. I know that seems far away, but I would think some plans would start in 2020 which is a little over three months away - not that The Beach Boys are known for doing things in a timely manner. The Beach Boys 20/20 2020 Tour. If they don't, that's a missed opportunity.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 5, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
From what I read/hear, yes, there are fans who think that Brian, despite saying very little in interviews and looking totally disinterested in concert, makes decisions such as the songs performed in concert. I don't believe it for a second but some do. Or, at least they say they do.
As far as "some stuff on the horizon", the only thing that comes to mind would be the group's 60th Anniversary in 2021. I know that seems far away, but I would think some plans would start in 2020 which is a little over three months away - not that The Beach Boys are known for doing things in a timely manner. The Beach Boys 20/20 2020 Tour. If they don't, that's a missed opportunity. I could see them doing "Do It Again"/"I Can Hear Music"/"Bluebirds Over The Mountain" back-to-back-to-back. And of course they've performed "Cottonfields" over the years. I'm not joking, but I'd like to see Bruce perform "The Nearest Faraway Place". It's always been a favorite of mine. So yeah, there's potential for a 20/20 tour in 2020 - a year late.
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Post by kds on Sept 5, 2019 18:16:11 GMT
The Beach Boys 20/20 2020 Tour. If they don't, that's a missed opportunity. I could see them doing "Do It Again"/"I Can Hear Music"/"Bluebirds Over The Mountain" back-to-back-to-back. And of course they've performed "Cottonfields" over the years. I'm not joking, but I'd like to see Bruce perform "The Nearest Faraway Place". It's always been a favorite of mine. So yeah, there's potential for a 20/20 tour in 2020 - a year late. I've said this on other forums, but I honestly think the fan perception of Nearest Faraway Place would be a lot different if (B. Wilson) followed the title instead of (B. Johnston). Maybe if they did do a reunion with Brian and Al, they could add Our Prayer and Time to Get Alone too.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 5, 2019 18:26:39 GMT
I could see them doing "Do It Again"/"I Can Hear Music"/"Bluebirds Over The Mountain" back-to-back-to-back. And of course they've performed "Cottonfields" over the years. I'm not joking, but I'd like to see Bruce perform "The Nearest Faraway Place". It's always been a favorite of mine. So yeah, there's potential for a 20/20 tour in 2020 - a year late. I've said this on other forums, but I honestly think the fan perception of Nearest Faraway Place would be a lot different if (B. Wilson) followed the title instead of (B. Johnston). Absolutely.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 5, 2019 20:09:27 GMT
Regarding the “does anyone believe...” question...point taken. Obviously I know of those posters, too. I guess I should have said something about being reasonable or realistic.
I’ll never understand the conflation of appreciation/fandom with blind worship and hagiography. He’s one of my favorite musicians ever, but I don’t think he can or ever could fly!
As for any reunion...I guess we’ll see. I’m afraid to hope for anything good after the miraculously good TWGMTR and C50.
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 7, 2019 5:47:10 GMT
I could see Brian leaving the road, if certain people starting placing his health about profits. And that might open the door for Alan to join Mike and Bruce. Maybe Matt would join in, too. But more than likely, in 2020, we'll see The Absolutely Final, Last Farewell Pet Sounds tour from Brian and co.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 7, 2019 12:45:40 GMT
I could see Brian leaving the road, if certain people starting placing his health about profits. And that might open the door for Alan to join Mike and Bruce. Maybe Matt would join in, too. But more than likely, in 2020, we'll see The Absolutely Final, Last Farewell Pet Sounds tour from Brian and co. I don't think it's about the money. Brian Wilson is a multi-millionaire, and his children's children are already set for life. Based on the size of the venues he's playing, the crowds he's drawing (and they're starting to walk out of his shows BTW), the size of the band, and the number of dates - he's not doin' it for the money. That's way down of the list of priorities. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. In my opinion, Brian continues to tour as part of his therapy; it's part of his treatment plan with input from his psychiatrist, physician, physical therapist, occupational therapist, and wifeandmanager.
While I think Brian will probably tour for more than another year, I'm 50/50 on it. It also wouldn't shock me if he does stop in another year, based on the quality of his performances. And that's the part that bothers me the most. People seem to be looking for all of these reasons (excuses) for Brian to continue touring, but they choose to ignore what's really happening up on that stage. You have this nice man, this elderly man, this man who is obviously struggling mightily (the man is in a wheelchair, struggling with getting his breath to sing for chrissakes), this artist who is no longer performing art, this human being who doesn't deserve to be put on display this way.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 7, 2019 14:47:05 GMT
Yeah, it is getting harder to imagine him continuing for long, not for the mental issues that historically were the barrier, but just the physical ones.
Generally speaking (since obviously like the rest of us, I'm not privy to Brian's health details), it certainly is considered beneficial for people to remain active mentally and physically as much as is possible. Sitting around doing nothing makes a person more likely to fall into depression and to physically atrophy: it's just generally a bad thing. So of course I hope Brian remains as active as he can for his own health. But that activity has to be relative for the person at hand: Brian isn't Mike or Al or Bruce. He's a bigger guy, he's had very serious physical and mental problems over the years. For him, "active" might just have to mean taking those walks around the park or something. Not traveling from city to city to be wheeled out in front of crowds to watch his band perform for them.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 8, 2019 18:25:42 GMT
A review posted yesterday from Friday's show in Arizona.
The reviewer--whom, unless I am daydreaming, I recall writing similarly before--is a bit of a Wilson apologist. "To argue that his vocal somehow topped Mike Love's recording of ["Meant For You"] would be not just wrong, but foolish. Here's the thing, though. It was magical. To understand what makes a Brian Wilson concert great, you have to understand what Brian's been through."
In other words, story trumps music.
Other items I noted: Darian is playing with the Zombies, too; and "Til I Die" seems to be out of the setlist.
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 8, 2019 20:22:33 GMT
A review posted yesterday from Friday's show in Arizona.
The reviewer--whom, unless I am daydreaming, I recall writing similarly before--is a bit of a Wilson apologist. "To argue that his vocal somehow topped Mike Love's recording of ["Meant For You"] would be not just wrong, but foolish. Here's the thing, though. It was magical. To understand what makes a Brian Wilson concert great, you have to understand what Brian's been through."
In other words, story trumps music.
Other items I noted: Darian is playing with the Zombies, too; and "Til I Die" seems to be out of the setlist.
I think that's the consensus from the Brianistas: story. Just a chance to bask in the glow of a legend. Just after Chuck Berry died, someone posted his last show at Blueberry Hill from 2014. It was a mess. He'd sing a verse of a song, then noodle aimlessly on his guitar for five minutes, then end the song. After that night, he just quietly retired. He knew he couldn't make the magic anymore. Brian's fans, on the other hand, would be fine with him just sitting at the piano for two hours while his band plays and sings the songs around him. I really wish I had a chance to talk to the people around him. "have you ever heard of a nice walk in the park? a nice, leisurely stroll?"
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Post by kds on Sept 9, 2019 12:16:42 GMT
Well, the fact that the reviewer did acknowledge that Mike's lead from the original version is superior means that they're not too far gone.
But, I don't buy that line about understanding what Brian went through making a BW concert great. The great band, and the great songs make a BW concert great.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 9, 2019 12:20:10 GMT
But, I don't buy that line about understanding what Brian went through making a BW concert great. The great band, and the great songs make a BW concert great. Exactly. If some background information, some biography, is required to make the music sound great, then the music isn’t great. The story is. In the case of Brian Wilson, the music is great as music. In the case of the modern live performances, the band and music are great (and his performances aren’t).
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Post by kds on Sept 9, 2019 12:22:27 GMT
But, I don't buy that line about understanding what Brian went through making a BW concert great. The great band, and the great songs make a BW concert great. Exactly. If some background information, some biography, is required to make the music sound great, then the music isn’t great. The story is. In the case of Brian Wilson, the music is great as music. In the case of the modern live performances, the band and music are great (and his performances aren’t). Right, even at his best, Brian was never a great performer. I do think Brian's story can add some color to some of his songs. Til I Die comes to mind. But, at the end of the day, the music is the thing.
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