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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 10, 2020 20:14:57 GMT
Correct, Mike’s wife apparently handled wardrobe (which was better than Hawaiian shirts, shorts, open robes, and turbans!). Sadly I think a “C60” would fail to warrant its prices: too much degradation in the guys. I suspect it would be more like a modern Brian show: most of the good-sounding parts will be sung as well as played by people without spotlights on them. I was poking fun at the shitstorm that was caused by Mike, Bruce, and David wearing Mike Love blue & white striped shirts at the XM Summit in 2018. Yeah, the guys would be another ten years older, but I think another full scale reunion ten years removed from the last would still put butts in the seats. Would it be as good? Well, no. Sorry, kds, I didn't get your joke. I thought you were referring to the guys wearing the same shirts for some of the shows during C50.
I know it's waaaaaay down on the list of boneheaded moves by the band, but did they ever think of not buying/wearing the same shirts, or at least maybe checking with each other (via a wardrobe schedule - I know that sounds a bit much, I'm just sayin')...before getting dressed!
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Post by kds on Mar 10, 2020 20:16:56 GMT
I was poking fun at the shitstorm that was caused by Mike, Bruce, and David wearing Mike Love blue & white striped shirts at the XM Summit in 2018. Yeah, the guys would be another ten years older, but I think another full scale reunion ten years removed from the last would still put butts in the seats. Would it be as good? Well, no. Sorry, kds, I didn't get your joke. I thought you were referring to the guys wearing the same shirts for some of the shows during C50.
I know it's waaaaaay down on the list of boneheaded moves by the band, but did they ever think of not buying/wearing the same shirts, or at least maybe checking with each other (via a wardrobe schedule - I know that sounds a bit much, I'm just sayin')...before getting dressed!
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I guess they only had so many paisley shirts from which to chose.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 10, 2020 20:24:16 GMT
With a C60 concert/tour, the only one I would worry about would be Brian, who as usual would be the wild card. If he would stay in roughly the same shape that he's in now, and that's certainly not a given, not at age 80, they would have to very strategically give him vocal parts that he could handle, and hope that he comes in on time. It would almost be akin to the late 70's/early 80's when he'd sing a verse here, sing a bridge there. They could also throw him a bone and give him a song like "God Only Knows" which he would simply throw out by memory more than anything else. He'd be guaranteed to get a standing ovation regardless of the quality of his vocal.
I think what might be harder would be to get Brian to play keyboards continuously. He did an OK job with that during the C50 tour, but there were times when he gave up and simply put his arms by his side.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 10, 2020 20:40:24 GMT
Brian would be bad, which is to say, he would be like he mostly is now. I just think a long tour of long shows would be torturous for him (and anyone who wants to watch and listen to him perform up to the caliber of his 00s or even early 10s level). He was already being doled out strategic leads, and let’s be honest, that piano playing wasn’t ever integral: it’s always covered by someone else as necessary in case he starts “playing in the key of BW.” But let’s not be overly confident here. Mike does a good job for someone his age, but he is his age—a number that continuously rises. It’s thinner and weaker all the time. Bruce has been pretty bad for years. I know we read about he was hitting insanely high notes on TWGMTR studio work at times … but everything I hear him sing, I hear a gravely, tired voice. Al holds up well, but even he has lost quite a bit of the high end. David was never much of a singer. This is not a great vocal band, especially one known for its accurate, tight, often mostly tenor-voiced harmonies. I think if they were asked to perform without other singers, the world would be shocked at how bad it would sound. (Not trying to be mean; being realistic. I love these guys.) This kind of singing is really not easy, and they have greatly reduced ranges, greatly reduced power, greatly reduced accuracy. It would be a show for watching the surviving Beach Boys while a fantastic band performs most of their music.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 10, 2020 23:04:02 GMT
It would be a show for watching the surviving Beach Boys while a fantastic band performs most of their music. But that's basically what fans have been experiencing - and most enjoying - over the last how many years anyway. It would just be a matter of getting everybody on the same stage at the same time.
Of course Mike, Brian, and Bruce aren't close to what they used to be. There would have to be some concessions made. I have a few suggestions, suggestions that don't have much of a chance of coming to fruition, but what the hell:
1. Shorten the tour. 75 shows would be pushing it this time around. I'd rather see it spread out to include a holiday tour.
2. Shorten the set. Those 35-40 song sets were wonderful, but they've probably run their course. I think people would accept a shorter set; they would just be happy to have a set to begin with.
3. Spread out the lead vocals more/evenly. Al has always been underutilized. Include more "Al songs". I really think Mike could handle his typical load. As I mentioned above, utilize what little Brian has left economically.
4. Integrate Blondie Chaplin into the tour/set this way. I would stick with an intermission like they did with C50. However, before Mike, Brian, Al, Bruce, and David come back out on stage, have Blondie, with the backing band, do a mini-set of "Sail On Sailor", "Wild Honey", and "Feel Flows". First, that would rock the place and give the show another perspective and vibe. But, second, that 15 minute mini-set would give Mike, Brian, Al, Bruce, and David even more time to rest and re-charge.
I have no false illusions of any of this happening, but I'm not gonna lie. I'd love to see it and I still think there's a way to make an album and tour happen. It won't, because they don't know how to make it work. Or, even if they DID KNOW, they don't know how to get along, to make everybody happy. And they haven't for a long, long time.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 10, 2020 23:49:00 GMT
But that's basically what fans have been experiencing - and most enjoying - over the last how many years anyway. It would just be a matter of getting everybody on the same stage at the same time. I almost, but don't quite, agree. Yes, it's what has been going on for decades, but it's a matter of degree. I was shocked how well C50 turned out, but I just think the deterioration since then is not to be underestimated. And this theoretical C60 is a couple years away. A couple years for guys in their mid to late 70s are nothing to sneeze at, either. Not vocally or otherwise, health-wise.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 10, 2020 23:59:00 GMT
But that's basically what fans have been experiencing - and most enjoying - over the last how many years anyway. It would just be a matter of getting everybody on the same stage at the same time. I almost, but don't quite, agree. Yes, it's what has been going on for decades, but it's a matter of degree. I was shocked how well C50 turned out, but I just think the deterioration since then is not to be underestimated. And this theoretical C60 is a couple years away. A couple years for guys in their mid to late 70s are nothing to sneeze at, either. Not vocally or otherwise, health-wise. Yes, and I'm being partially hypocritical regarding Brian. His live performances the last few years make me very uncomfortable, and I've been calling for him to retire from performing and find something less physically and emotionally taxing to devote his time to. That being said, and still trying to keep some of the faith, I'm just wondering out loud if a substantially reduced workload (in the number of shows accompanied by reduced setlists), resulting in significantly less lead vocals - combined with the...spark (I'm searching for the right word)...in working with Mike, Al, Bruce, and David AS THE BEACH BOYS, could bring out better performances from Brian. Can Brian be jump-started at age 80? Should we even want him jump-started at age 80?
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 11, 2020 0:08:33 GMT
And I do want to be clear: I think there could be amazing, musically great Beach Boys "C60" shows that many fans could and would enjoy. I just don't think the Beach Boys themselves would be doing much musical heavy lifting.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 11, 2020 0:25:16 GMT
And I do want to be clear: I think there could be amazing, musically great Beach Boys "C60" shows that many fans could and would enjoy. I just don't think the Beach Boys themselves would be doing much musical heavy lifting. And that would be OK, too. I think the guys have reached that age and that point in their careers, where they're not expected to do the heavy lifting anymore. Really, I think most fans are just happy that they're still out their doing it - and alive! I think you have to be both realistic and empathetic. You'll take whatever you can get within certain parameters. I know that's not the best way to view or judge a paid, live performance, especially a rock and roll concert. But, if those five guys did attempt it, it would be a unique situation. Five 80 year-old guys. Other than maybe David, I wouldn't even mind if they just stood/sat in front of microphones in front of the stage. The spectacle of seeing and experiencing the guys would supersede the heavy lifting.
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Post by kds on Mar 11, 2020 12:16:53 GMT
And I do want to be clear: I think there could be amazing, musically great Beach Boys "C60" shows that many fans could and would enjoy. I just don't think the Beach Boys themselves would be doing much musical heavy lifting. And that would be OK, too. I think the guys have reached that age and that point in their careers, where they're not expected to do the heavy lifting anymore. Really, I think most fans are just happy that they're still out their doing it - and alive! I think you have to be both realistic and empathetic. You'll take whatever you can get within certain parameters. I know that's not the best way to view or judge a paid, live performance, especially a rock and roll concert. But, if those five guys did attempt it, it would be a unique situation. Five 80 year-old guys. Other than maybe David, I wouldn't even mind if they just stood/sat in front of microphones in front of the stage. The spectacle of seeing and experiencing the guys would supersede the heavy lifting.
I tend to agree. I think most audiences know when they're paying to see artists pushing 80, the quality is not going to be the same as a group of younger men. But, you're paying to see those guys in person. For a fraction of the price, one can easily go to see a Beatles or Pink Floyd tribute act, and it might sound better than a 2020 McCartney or Roger Waters concert, but that's not why people are still seeing these guys 50+ years later. For Brian, I don't remember him doing a ton of leads on the C50 Tour, he did far less than he does at an average solo concert, so I wouldn't worry too much about him.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 11, 2020 13:26:49 GMT
And that would be OK, too. I think the guys have reached that age and that point in their careers, where they're not expected to do the heavy lifting anymore. Really, I think most fans are just happy that they're still out their doing it - and alive! I think you have to be both realistic and empathetic. You'll take whatever you can get within certain parameters. I know that's not the best way to view or judge a paid, live performance, especially a rock and roll concert. But, if those five guys did attempt it, it would be a unique situation. Five 80 year-old guys. Other than maybe David, I wouldn't even mind if they just stood/sat in front of microphones in front of the stage. The spectacle of seeing and experiencing the guys would supersede the heavy lifting.
I tend to agree. I think most audiences know when they're paying to see artists pushing 80, the quality is not going to be the same as a group of younger men. But, you're paying to see those guys in person. For a fraction of the price, one can easily go to see a Beatles or Pink Floyd tribute act, and it might sound better than a 2020 McCartney or Roger Waters concert, but that's not why people are still seeing these guys 50+ years later. For Brian, I don't remember him doing a ton of leads on the C50 Tour, he did far less than he does at an average solo concert, so I wouldn't worry too much about him. I'd be very worried about Brian. I just can't get those recent YouTube videos of Brian in concert out of my head. The man did not belong on a stage at a rock and roll concert. Period. Now, there may have been reasons, legitimate reasons that could be rectified. Maybe he was struggling from the effects of his recent back procedures and medication. Maybe he was still experiencing some of the recent mental problems that caused him to take some time off. Or maybe he was just overwhelmed from having to be the featured performer at a full blown concert. Like I posted above, there are ways to make things easier on Brian in playing shows. Or, like I also posted above, maybe Brian's recent "condition" is just the way he is going to be and that's not going to change. If he's not going to bounce back, then I would be very concerned holding a reunion tour and depending on him.
In addition to some of the "proposals" for a kinder, gentler show for Brian that I posted above, I thought of another one. What if Brian didn't play the entire show. What if Brian sat out the first set, maybe make it a Mike-driven rock & roll set, and then have Brian come on after the intermission for the second set and encores. It would be very dramatic having Brian come on mid-way through. They could then obviously perform Brian-specific songs. In keeping with the understanding nature of a sympathetic audience, they might accept it, again just being happy that he's there. Just a thought...
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Post by kds on Mar 11, 2020 13:50:12 GMT
I tend to agree. I think most audiences know when they're paying to see artists pushing 80, the quality is not going to be the same as a group of younger men. But, you're paying to see those guys in person. For a fraction of the price, one can easily go to see a Beatles or Pink Floyd tribute act, and it might sound better than a 2020 McCartney or Roger Waters concert, but that's not why people are still seeing these guys 50+ years later. For Brian, I don't remember him doing a ton of leads on the C50 Tour, he did far less than he does at an average solo concert, so I wouldn't worry too much about him. I'd be very worried about Brian. I just can't get those recent YouTube videos of Brian in concert out of my head. The man did not belong on a stage at a rock and roll concert. Period. Now, there may have been reasons, legitimate reasons that could be rectified. Maybe he was struggling from the effects of his recent back procedures and medication. Maybe he was still experiencing some of the recent mental problems that caused him to take some time off. Or maybe he was just overwhelmed from having to be the featured performer at a full blown concert. Like I posted above, there are ways to make things easier on Brian in playing shows. Or, like I also posted above, maybe Brian's recent "condition" is just the way he is going to be and that's not going to change. If he's not going to bounce back, then I would be very concerned holding a reunion tour and depending on him.
In addition to some of the "proposals" for a kinder, gentler show for Brian that I posted above, I thought of another one. What if Brian didn't play the entire show. What if Brian sat out the first set, maybe make it a Mike-driven rock & roll set, and then have Brian come on after the intermission for the second set and encores. It would be very dramatic having Brian come on mid-way through. They could then obviously perform Brian-specific songs. In keeping with the understanding nature of a sympathetic audience, they might accept it, again just being happy that he's there. Just a thought... To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw Brian in concert in January. Granted, it wasn't quite as good as he was as recently as September 2016, but it was far better than some of those YT clips. Considering Brian did more leads in the 2nd half of most C50 shows, that's not too unreasonable.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 13, 2020 12:14:49 GMT
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Post by kds on Mar 13, 2020 12:24:20 GMT
Somehow, Mike Love will be blamed for this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 11:47:22 GMT
It would just be a matter of getting everybody on the same stage at the same time. Will never happen.
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