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Post by Kapitan on Jun 10, 2022 12:56:30 GMT
I love it! And yes, I am pretty sure there's a bunch of audible Brian in there--at least it sounds like him to these ears.
This is the kind of remix I really enjoy, which is especially possible once we get out of the earlier era (when there were fewer elements recorded to mix and remix later). It's extremely interesting! Right now, I'd say I prefer it to the original, but of course that's partly because this is exciting and new, while I've been hearing the original for over 20 years.
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Post by kds on Jun 10, 2022 12:59:47 GMT
New mix of Marcella is out: It's a lot different than the original. I think I like it more, but sometimes the backing vocals are too busy. Is that Brian they brought up in the mix throughout the song, or is that Al? Sounds like early 70s Brian to me.
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Post by kds on Jun 10, 2022 13:03:09 GMT
It's definitely noticeably different. I'm not sure I like it better though.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 10, 2022 14:23:58 GMT
This remix is exactly what I was hoping for from the forthcoming Sail On Sailor copyright extension release, which is why it was disappointing to hear they won't be getting remixes. Looking at the other SoS, this Sounds of Summer, track list as posted in this thread, they did "Marcella" and "Mess of Help"--which is exciting!--but "All This is That" is the '12 remaster, "Sail On Sailor" has no notes as to version, and "California Saga: California" is '12 remaster.
It's a shame if the Sail On Sailor release indeed doesn't have fully remixed versions. There probably aren't two BBs albums I would welcome cleaner remixes on than these two. I'm still in for buying it, but I'll have an angry look on my face while I do it!
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Post by kds on Jun 10, 2022 14:27:28 GMT
This remix is exactly what I was hoping for from the forthcoming Sail On Sailor copyright extension release, which is why it was disappointing to hear they won't be getting remixes. Looking at the other SoS, this Sounds of Summer, track list as posted in this thread, they did "Marcella" and "Mess of Help"--which is exciting!--but "All This is That" is the '12 remaster, "Sail On Sailor" has no notes as to version, and "California Saga: California" is '12 remaster.
It's a shame if the Sail On Sailor release indeed doesn't have fully remixed versions. There probably aren't two BBs albums I would welcome cleaner remixes on than these two. I'm still in for buying it, but I'll have an angry look on my face while I do it!
It seems to me that it would make sense to remix that material if, for no other reason, that could count in the "new" material tally. I mean, any BB fan who will purchase the Sail On Sailor box surely already owns CATP and Holland, so why not offer something different?
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Post by carllove on Jun 11, 2022 17:31:34 GMT
New mix of Marcella is out: It's a lot different than the original. I think I like it more, but sometimes the backing vocals are too busy. Is that Brian they brought up in the mix throughout the song, or is that Al? Well you know of my dislike of Marcella. That is until now. I was weeding my garden this morning, listening to Friends on Apple Music, and I must have inadvertently touched a button on my phone and the new version of Marcella started playing. The vocals and instrumentation pop so much more than the muddled mix on the original. I always thought the original sounded “mushy”. This I like - a lot! I hear vocals and instruments, I have never heard on the original. It sounds cleaner and has more punch. It’s a whole heck of a lot more interesting. Love the upped Brian vocals. Made my day.
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Post by B.E. on Jun 14, 2022 22:03:37 GMT
I think this remix of "Marcella" is very interesting, but I also think some of the (lesser) backing vocal elements are exposed and/or mixed in a way that detracts rather than enhances the song (I can share specific examples, if interested). And full disclosure - I've only listened to the remix twice and never had a problem with the original mix (the song and recording having always been a favorite of mine). Still, I'm glad to listen to this mix. I think it's better than the "Shut Down" remix. The bass isn't overpowering. The instrumentation, overall, really does pop. One trend I'm keeping an eye on is: are the remixes consistently tucking the vocals into the mix more? And do I prefer it? I think the answer to the first question might be 'yes', but 'no' to the second. We'll see!
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 15, 2022 11:29:41 GMT
With all of these remixes, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if they end up less to my liking due to significant changes. (The "Wild Chimes" on TSS, for example, seems to really emphasize auxiliary percussion to the point of distraction.) For me, anyway, the whole point is hearing something different: bringing out what was buried, giving the songs a fresh approach.
Why compete with songs that are classics as-is? Why sell the same songs yet again in basically the identical form?
The only argument I see for more faithful remixes is that on something like SoS, if you are not targeting the fans who already have five versions of each song, but rather new potential fans, then I can see wanting to present them the "real" classic songs, not experiments.
There are also things that I suppose get into gray areas, like Al's tinkered "Seasons in the Sun" on Feel Flows that largely removes harmony vocals. On one hand, it's not a remix, because it had never been released in the first place. But it had been booted so much that we know how it could have sounded (which wasn't the perfect song, either, but highlighted a great harmony group singing harmony).
But things like "Marcella"? "Shut Down"? Go for it! Draw out unused or buried parts. Make it interesting. "Interesting" is maybe even more important than "good" on these things.
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Post by kds on Jun 15, 2022 12:20:45 GMT
With all of these remixes, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if they end up less to my liking due to significant changes. (The "Wild Chimes" on TSS, for example, seems to really emphasize auxiliary percussion to the point of distraction.) For me, anyway, the whole point is hearing something different: bringing out what was buried, giving the songs a fresh approach.
Why compete with songs that are classics as-is? Why sell the same songs yet again in basically the identical form?
The only argument I see for more faithful remixes is that on something like SoS, if you are not targeting the fans who already have five versions of each song, but rather new potential fans, then I can see wanting to present them the "real" classic songs, not experiments.
There are also things that I suppose get into gray areas, like Al's tinkered "Seasons in the Sun" on Feel Flows that largely removes harmony vocals. On one hand, it's not a remix, because it had never been released in the first place. But it had been booted so much that we know how it could have sounded (which wasn't the perfect song, either, but highlighted a great harmony group singing harmony).
But things like "Marcella"? "Shut Down"? Go for it! Draw out unused or buried parts. Make it interesting. "Interesting" is maybe even more important than "good" on these things.
In general, I have no problem with things like this on compilations. It's not like BRI's stormtroopers are breaking into my house to steal my copy of CATP. I've listened to the new mix of Marcella a couple times now, and to be honest, the one part of it that really irks me is the now more prominent than ever Brian vocal. I'm just not a huge fan of Brian's early 70s high vocals. But, I'll give them credit for something different.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 15, 2022 18:17:07 GMT
I finally gave "Marcella" another listen. I dunno, I still like it. Better, worse? I don't care, I don't need to really worry about it. But it definitely separates the parts in a way the original doesn't, for better and worse, probably.
The one thing I think I can say I definitively don't like is this: after Carl's "she's a fine, fine, fine, fine, fine-fine, fine, yeah-heh" there's a little "oooh-ooh-ooh." It is cued up here. Honestly, maybe embarrassingly, I don't think I'd ever noticed that little three-note oooh before (though I went back to listen to the original, and sure enough, there it is, though not as prominent). And I don't like it.
So there you go. That's my gripe. Pretty dramatic stuff.
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Post by kds on Jun 15, 2022 19:06:42 GMT
Sounds of Summer 2.0 is a real missed opportunity to maybe remix some later songs like Maybe I Don't Know or Slow Summer Dancin'.
Oh well, I guess I'll wait until 2035 and 2042 for the copyright releases or for Sounds of Summer 3.0 to celebrate the BB's 70th Anniversary in 2032
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jun 15, 2022 19:53:14 GMT
I like the new mix better overall, but also could have done without Carl's oooh brought up in the mix or Brian's vocal either. He's overpowering the rest of the group, and not in a good way.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 15, 2022 19:54:25 GMT
I like the new mix better overall, but also could have done without Carl's oooh brought up in the mix or Brian's vocal either. He's overpowering the rest of the group, and not in a good way. On the Brian part, I really like it just for the sake of really hearing it. It wouldn't be my pick for THE mix, that's for sure. But for a new remix? I'm glad to have it!
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jun 15, 2022 19:59:24 GMT
I like the new mix better overall, but also could have done without Carl's oooh brought up in the mix or Brian's vocal either. He's overpowering the rest of the group, and not in a good way. On the Brian part, I really like it just for the sake of really hearing it. It wouldn't be my pick for THE mix, that's for sure. But for a new remix? I'm glad to have it! It's going to be *the* mix for me, so I'd rather do without it haha. It's definitely interesting to hear, every now and then I'd try to pick Brian's voice out of the original mix and could never really do so. I just would have preferred they left the vocals alone in this case.
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Post by kds on Jun 15, 2022 20:01:09 GMT
I like the new mix better overall, but also could have done without Carl's oooh brought up in the mix or Brian's vocal either. He's overpowering the rest of the group, and not in a good way. On the Brian part, I really like it just for the sake of really hearing it. It wouldn't be my pick for THE mix, that's for sure. But for a new remix? I'm glad to have it! I actually liked the prominent Brian on the first listen, but not so much on the second and third listen. I probably still prefer the previous mix, but this one's not bad.
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