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Post by Kapitan on Nov 12, 2021 15:56:21 GMT
I really wish "River Song" would have been completed as a Beach Boys song. I just think the voices would have been so much improved from what ended up on POB. Though being not much of a Dennis fan (relatively speaking to many of you), that's just my own little preference.
The song feels like a natural extension of the Holland-era band. Granted, based on its '73-'74 origins, that's post-Holland, and it obviously wouldn't have fit very well on the next few albums. Maybe LA, but obviously reality intervened before that, as it had been out in solo form a couple years by then.
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Nov 12, 2021 15:59:26 GMT
I really wish "River Song" would have been completed as a Beach Boys song. I just think the voices would have been so much improved from what ended up on POB. Though being not much of a Dennis fan (relatively speaking to many of you), that's just my own little preference.
The song feels like a natural extension of the Holland-era band. Granted, based on its '73-'74 origins, that's post-Holland, and it obviously wouldn't have fit very well on the next few albums. Maybe LA, but obviously reality intervened before that, as it had been out in solo form a couple years by then. Pretty sure that river song, Pacific ocean blues, holy man and rainbows were all originally written for the Beach boys.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 12, 2021 16:03:26 GMT
I really wish "River Song" would have been completed as a Beach Boys song. I just think the voices would have been so much improved from what ended up on POB. Though being not much of a Dennis fan (relatively speaking to many of you), that's just my own little preference.
The song feels like a natural extension of the Holland-era band. Granted, based on its '73-'74 origins, that's post-Holland, and it obviously wouldn't have fit very well on the next few albums. Maybe LA, but obviously reality intervened before that, as it had been out in solo form a couple years by then. Pretty sure that river song, Pacific ocean blues, holy man and rainbows were all originally written for the Beach boys. That's my understanding, except I don't know that I'd heard "Holy Man" in that respect. (Not contradicting you, just hadn't heard that.) The others, yes, I believe that's true. In fact, while looking for something else entirely yesterday, I remember seeing it mentioned in contemporaneous interviews or quotes in stories.
I think the results would have been better for Dennis's music and for the band's prospects had that happened. (Those three I knew of are three of my favorite songs on POB. Maybe THE three favorites.)
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Nov 12, 2021 17:35:35 GMT
Pretty sure that river song, Pacific ocean blues, holy man and rainbows were all originally written for the Beach boys. That's my understanding, except I don't know that I'd heard "Holy Man" in that respect. (Not contradicting you, just hadn't heard that.) The others, yes, I believe that's true. In fact, while looking for something else entirely yesterday, I remember seeing it mentioned in contemporaneous interviews or quotes in stories.
I think the results would have been better for Dennis's music and for the band's prospects had that happened. (Those three I knew of are three of my favorite songs on POB. Maybe THE three favorites.)
Carl did a scratch vocal for holy man, so I would assume that it was a Beach Boys track. Pretty sure everything dennis recorded from 73–75 was all meant for the beach boys, but when they rejected his material from 15 big ones, that’s when he went and got himself a solo record deal and everything was from there forward for himself
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Post by jk on Nov 13, 2021 11:10:28 GMT
According to c-man (Craig S) at Smiley in November 2017, "None of the POB album was recorded at the Ranch...the album jacket was likely on display there because the Caribou label released the record. However, some work on 'Wild Situation' for DW's next album Bambu was indeed done at the Ranch." It's anything but clear whether the stunning early (BB) version of "River Song" was recorded there... It was not. I believe that entire song was recorded at brother studio. “ Recorded on 2" 16-track analog tape, likely followed by tape-to-tape transfer to second-generation 2" 24-track analog tape Recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa late 1973/early 1974 Engineer: Stephen Moffitt Tape transfer made & final lead vocal recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa second week of March 1976 Engineers: Earle Mankey and John Hanlon Strings recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, Wednesday July 7, 1976, 10:00pm-11:00pm Choir and lead vocal in bridge recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa Saturday July 10, 1976 Engineers: Stephen Moffitt, Earle Mankey, and John Hanlon MIX PRODUCED BY STEPHEN MOFFITT Mixed to 1/4" stereo analog tape Mixed at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, Tuesday March 22, 1977 Engineer: Stephen Moffitt” Source: www.beachboysarchives.com/mobilepage.php?pagenumber=11Thanks for clarifying, bops. Are we both talking about this version (recorded in 1973, according to AGD)? Some of the YouTube comments give food for thought...
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Nov 13, 2021 15:52:27 GMT
It was not. I believe that entire song was recorded at brother studio. “ Recorded on 2" 16-track analog tape, likely followed by tape-to-tape transfer to second-generation 2" 24-track analog tape Recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa late 1973/early 1974 Engineer: Stephen Moffitt Tape transfer made & final lead vocal recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa second week of March 1976 Engineers: Earle Mankey and John Hanlon Strings recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, Wednesday July 7, 1976, 10:00pm-11:00pm Choir and lead vocal in bridge recorded at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, circa Saturday July 10, 1976 Engineers: Stephen Moffitt, Earle Mankey, and John Hanlon MIX PRODUCED BY STEPHEN MOFFITT Mixed to 1/4" stereo analog tape Mixed at Brother Studio, Santa Monica, CA, Tuesday March 22, 1977 Engineer: Stephen Moffitt” Source: www.beachboysarchives.com/mobilepage.php?pagenumber=11Thanks for clarifying, bops. Are we both talking about this version (recorded in 1973, according to AGD)? Some of the YouTube comments give food for thought... Yes. This is literally just an early version of the same track that appeared on Pacific ocean blue. Same basic track, some of the same background vocals, Dennis just erased some parts and added some others and redid the lead vocals and added strings and choir in 1976. But it’s not a different version, just a rough mix from 1974
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 31, 2021 13:25:09 GMT
Movin' right along... NEXT!
If this one is going to cover both CATP and Holland, I wonder whether this one is going to be out in '22 or if it'll wait until '23, for the 50th of the latter album. (Like how we got both Sunflower and Surf's Up stuff in '21.)
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Dec 31, 2021 13:45:29 GMT
I guess it all depends on what happens for C60. There's probably going to be something along the lines of a "60 Big Ones" release. If they do get together for a one time show or multiple, that will probably get a release, especially if something airs on TV. Then there's the rumor of a documentary as well. Throw Sail On, Sailor on top and you have a bit of a saturated market for Beach Boys releases.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 31, 2021 14:05:40 GMT
I guess it all depends on what happens for C60. There's probably going to be something along the lines of a "60 Big Ones" release. If they do get together for a one time show or multiple, that will probably get a release, especially if something airs on TV. Then there's the rumor of a documentary as well. Throw Sail On, Sailor on top and you have a bit of a saturated market for Beach Boys releases. It's true that, just as was the case this year, next year actually might end up a relatively busy one for a basically dormant--touring notwithstanding--band.
But you're right, between any reunion and the copyright release program, we could well see some combo of another GH package, a documentary, a live album/video, and the Sail On Sailor set. Though presumably the lattermost would be the one to get bumped a year. Thinking about this does beg a question for me, though (coming soon, quite appropriately, in the Questions thread).
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 31, 2021 14:36:19 GMT
Movin' right along... NEXT!
If this one is going to cover both CATP and Holland, I wonder whether this one is going to be out in '22 or if it'll wait until '23, for the 50th of the latter album. (Like how we got both Sunflower and Surf's Up stuff in '21.)
I'm betting on 2023 because I think somehow they'll tie in In Concert, which was released in 1973. In my above posts, I inquired about the Caribou sessions. I wouldn't say that I'm obsessed with it, but I'm very curious how they will "wrap things up" before entering the "Brian Is Back"' era.
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Dec 31, 2021 14:55:56 GMT
As the entire purpose of these releases is copyright extension, and due to the European copyright laws, unreleased music they wish not to fall into public domain must be released 50 years within its *recording* year. Meaning that all of the unreleased music from the catp and holland sessions, in order not to fall into public domain, *must* be released before December 31, 2022, given that nothing from either album was recorded in 73. Also, the Carnegie show Mark and Alan talked about wanting to include was from November 1972. Also Linett said over on EH it would have to be released in 2022. No reason to think otherwise
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Dec 31, 2021 15:01:45 GMT
As the entire purpose of these releases is copyright extension, and due to the European copyright laws, unreleased music they wish not to fall into public domain must be released 50 years within its *recording* year. Meaning that all of the unreleased music from the catp and holland sessions, in order not to fall into public domain, *must* be released before December 31, 2022, given that nothing from either album was recorded in 73. Also, the Carnegie show Mark and Alan talked about wanting to include was from November 1972. Also Linett said over on EH it would have to be released in 2022. No reason to think otherwise Didn't we see last year though that they released some of the tracks for a few minutes to cover that? Or was it not related?
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Dec 31, 2021 15:03:31 GMT
Movin' right along... NEXT!
If this one is going to cover both CATP and Holland, I wonder whether this one is going to be out in '22 or if it'll wait until '23, for the 50th of the latter album. (Like how we got both Sunflower and Surf's Up stuff in '21.)
I'm betting on 2023 because I think somehow they'll tie in In Concert, which was released in 1973. In my above posts, I inquired about the Caribou sessions. I wouldn't say that I'm obsessed with it, but I'm very curious how they will "wrap things up" before entering the "Brian Is Back"' era. Feel Flows was originally scheduled to be released in 2020, and when that didn’t happen they released a strange All Music entry to cover the copyrights for the time being. A similar thing happened with the Beatles Let It Be box. I don’t think they’ll be doing that again. Also… Caribou only has 3 tracks from it that must be released, Honeycomb, Battle Hymn of the Republic and Rolling up to heaven
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 31, 2021 15:04:15 GMT
As the entire purpose of these releases is copyright extension, and due to the European copyright laws, unreleased music they wish not to fall into public domain must be released 50 years within its *recording* year. Meaning that all of the unreleased music from the catp and holland sessions, in order not to fall into public domain, *must* be released before December 31, 2022, given that nothing from either album was recorded in 73. Thanks, and I was thinking that, too ... but then how did it come to pass that the Sunflower stuff was able to just come out in '21 rather than '20? I know most--probably the vast majority--of the previously unreleased things were from '71, but I don't think all of them were, were they?
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Dec 31, 2021 15:11:23 GMT
As the entire purpose of these releases is copyright extension, and due to the European copyright laws, unreleased music they wish not to fall into public domain must be released 50 years within its *recording* year. Meaning that all of the unreleased music from the catp and holland sessions, in order not to fall into public domain, *must* be released before December 31, 2022, given that nothing from either album was recorded in 73. Also, the Carnegie show Mark and Alan talked about wanting to include was from November 1972. Also Linett said over on EH it would have to be released in 2022. No reason to think otherwise Didn't we see last year though that they released some of the tracks for a few minutes to cover that? Or was it not related? They did, but as I said, it’s very well-known that Feel Flows was supposed to be released in 2020, and the only reason they had to force out a couple tracks beforehand was because of circumstances that weren’t going to be resolved quickly. Given that Iconic owns the catalog now, Feel Flows did extremely well commercially and critically, and they have quite a list of songs to protect from 1972, I don’t think they’ll be messing around
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