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Post by kds on Apr 25, 2023 14:28:22 GMT
Ike's been in Mike's band for a few years now, so I wonder if there were any plans for Scott to pass the baton onto him. And, if so, I wonder if Scott gave Ike any tips on how to keep it going.
Either way, I hope they can keep up the quality of Mike's band, especially considering there'll likely be less competition now with Brian seemingly off the road.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 25, 2023 14:37:05 GMT
Either way, I hope they can keep up the quality of Mike's band, especially considering there'll likely be less competition now with Brian seemingly off the road. On one hand, you'd think it could be the perfect opportunity to put together the best possible band using musicians from Brian's band as well. But I'll say right off, I don't see it: 1. The guys from Wondermints in particular just don't seem likely to "change teams." Yes, they went along for C50, but that of course was with Brian and in the interests of "the real Beach Boys," not what many Brian fans (and frankly from the impressions I've gotten through the years, their impression) have seen as an inferior product under M&B. Plus Nick has passed away and Darian has already been in and out of the lineup for years with his other work with Disney, the Zombies, Heart, etc. That leaves Mike and Probyn as theoretically possible. 2. Mike isn't interested in a larger group, based on his repeated statements and actions over time. So he's not likely to go too far with adding personnel, likely just replacing them as necessary. 3. Al has been more vocally anti-Mike since C50 fell apart than anyone--and consistently so. So while he obviously would lend the most prominent authenticity (for people into that kind of thing) to the sound, he seems unlikely to jump ship unless the money is good enough. And I'm not sure Matt would consider (or be considered) without Al. Obviously he's got the voice, but if Al is vocally Team Brian (or at least Team Anti-Mike)... Sure, that leaves a few possibilities, but I'm not sure how much anyone thinks they'd really be irreplaceable parts to a potential M&B band. So I don't expect a stronger M&B Beach Boys to come from the lack of a BW band on tour.
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Post by kds on Apr 25, 2023 14:50:33 GMT
IF anything, I fear that the lack of a BW Band on tour might cause Mike's band to rest of their laurels a bit.
As for Al, I guess he's content to do his small friends and family shows if the BW Band really is calling it a day. I think it would be pretty cool to see him join Mike and Bruce, but I'm sure Mike knows the addition of Al isn't really going to move the needle too much.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 25, 2023 14:56:11 GMT
IF anything, I fear that the lack of a BW Band on tour might cause Mike's band to rest of their laurels a bit. As for Al, I guess he's content to do his small friends and family shows if the BW Band really is calling it a day. I think it would be pretty cool to see him join Mike and Bruce, but I'm sure Mike knows the addition of Al isn't really going to move the needle too much. One other thing I believe to be true is, each "real" Beach Boy on the tour doesn't remove the need for somebody else. None of them really holds his own anymore musically. David could hold down the fort on guitar, but he doesn't play anythign else and doesn't necessarily add a strong vocal contribution (as cool as his voice is for certain songs or parts). Al's guitar tends to be inaudible and he doesn't play anything else and even his vocals are notoriously uneven: he forgets parts. A lot. He'll nail his vocals, but is he as dependable (and strong) to flesh out the harmonies on a full set of shows without someone doubling? Because someone has been doubling him all these years with Brian. We know how little Bruce contributes musically. So it isn't as if you can replace Totten with Marks or Jardine. You'd still need somebody else to cover. This brings us back to the point about Mike consistently trying to keep things streamlined and inexpensive. Are you going to add some (relatively highly paid) principals for name recognition or perceived authenticity if you still need the same number of musicians as you would without them?
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Post by kds on Apr 25, 2023 15:02:33 GMT
IF anything, I fear that the lack of a BW Band on tour might cause Mike's band to rest of their laurels a bit. As for Al, I guess he's content to do his small friends and family shows if the BW Band really is calling it a day. I think it would be pretty cool to see him join Mike and Bruce, but I'm sure Mike knows the addition of Al isn't really going to move the needle too much. One other thing I believe to be true is, each "real" Beach Boy on the tour doesn't remove the need for somebody else. None of them really holds his own anymore musically. David could hold down the fort on guitar, but he doesn't play anythign else and doesn't necessarily add a strong vocal contribution (as cool as his voice is for certain songs or parts). Al's guitar tends to be inaudible and he doesn't play anything else and even his vocals are notoriously uneven: he forgets parts. A lot. He'll nail his vocals, but is he as dependable (and strong) to flesh out the harmonies on a full set of shows without someone doubling? Because someone has been doubling him all these years with Brian. We know how little Bruce contributes musically. So it isn't as if you can replace Totten with Marks or Jardine. You'd still need somebody else to cover. This brings us back to the point about Mike consistently trying to keep things streamlined and inexpensive. Are you going to add some (relatively highly paid) principals for name recognition or perceived authenticity if you still need the same number of musicians as you would without them? Right, last time I saw Brian's band, I really don't think Al played a ton of guitar. He basically stood there with guitar in hand, singing his parts for a good portion of the show. Totten did a lot more heavy lifting when I've seen Mike and Bruce in concert. Hell, he even made Pisces Brother tolerable with his guitar solo.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 25, 2023 19:00:34 GMT
To me, Al Jardine is the proverbial elephant in the room.
Remember (how many years ago) when Christian Love left the Beach Boys' touring band to pursue a volleyball career. What ever happened to that career? Any way, at that time, everybody was saying how the timing was right for Mike to invite Al back in the band, and for Al to rightfully reclaim his position as rhythm guitarist/vocalist in The Beach Boys. As we know that never happened and Al ended up with Brian.
Well, here we go again. Isn't it time? The right time? (I can't help myself ) Al is unemployed again, and he could easily nudge Christian Love over a bit on stage and stand firmly next to Mike like he did for almost 40 years. Al could resume his duties as rhythm guitarist for The Beach Boys and Christian Love could learn the lead guitar parts. Simple, right?
I know, I know. It'll never happen. But, do you know why, or at least a reason why? 100+ damn shows every year. That's why. Mike's insistence at playing so many shows per year has put more than one monkey wrench into what could've been beautiful plans through the years. Even if Brian Wilson ever thought about rejoining the Beach Boys, it was never going to work because of the physical and emotional strains of that touring schedule. You couldn't have Brian just showing up when he felt like it. Been there, done that, didn't work too well. Maybe the same with David marks because of his health issues. And, now we have a soon to be 81-year old Alan Jardine, a nice man, a dependable band mate, but not somebody who appears especially driven. Would he want to sign up for 125 shows a year?
It's a moot point, of course, because there's very little chance that Mike will even consider it. He doesn't like Al. I just wanted to make a point, make the point that Mike's touring schedule is always right near the top of things to consider when filling his band. I'm surprised Bruce has hung in this long. He's had some health issues, too. Oh, yeah, BRI approved it and continues to approve it. They will always go with what can make them the most money. But, that doesn't make it best for us, the fans.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 26, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
A few people questioned his original post...
Scott Totten 3h · A couple of people have wondered why I didn't mention Bruce in my post from Sunday. The only reason is that I was thanking my backing bandmates and crew. Bruce is of course a Beach Boy. I assure you all he is my friend, my road brother and I consider him a mentor.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 29, 2023 23:54:59 GMT
Matt Jardine and Christian Love are recording together. Check out Matt's Instagram page:
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 20, 2023 13:08:51 GMT
Ladies and gentlemen, from Hawthorne California, America's Band, The Beach Boys!
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Post by kds on Jun 6, 2023 17:19:55 GMT
For S&Gs, I pulled up some recent Beach Boys setlists. There don't seem to be any changes from the last couple summers. The sets seem to range from 30-37 songs. I did think that they might include some CATP / Holland tracks to try to push Sail On Sailor, but I guess that boxset is yesterday's news.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 6, 2023 19:10:56 GMT
For S&Gs, I pulled up some recent Beach Boys setlists. There don't seem to be any changes from the last couple summers. The sets seem to range from 30-37 songs. I did think that they might include some CATP / Holland tracks to try to push Sail On Sailor, but I guess that boxset is yesterday's news. And for these reasons, I'm less enthusiastic about seeing the guys this summer. Also the fact that they're playing a venue I'm unfamiliar with. But those "bonus songs" a couple years ago really made for a special show - Add Some Music, Feel Flows, All I Wanna Do, It's About Time. That was 4 songs I never believed I would hear/see them play in concert. The changes in personnel kind of bother me, too. Scott and John were such important band members, and I'm sure the new guys will be fine, but it just seems like the group is going back to the "concerts by rote" format of the immediate post-Carl years. Now if the rumours about Mike having a new album coming out are true, we may see him introduce a couple of new songs to the setlists, but I'm not holding my breath. It's June, and I haven't seen any official word about his new cd/album/download/implant.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 6, 2023 19:17:57 GMT
For S&Gs, I pulled up some recent Beach Boys setlists. There don't seem to be any changes from the last couple summers. The sets seem to range from 30-37 songs. I did think that they might include some CATP / Holland tracks to try to push Sail On Sailor, but I guess that boxset is yesterday's news. And for these reasons, I'm less enthusiastic about seeing the guys this summer. Also the fact that they're playing a venue I'm unfamiliar with. But those "bonus songs" a couple years ago really made for a special show - Add Some Music, Feel Flows, All I Wanna Do, It's About Time. That was 4 songs I never believed I would hear/see them play in concert. The changes in personnel kind of bother me, too. Scott and John were such important band members, and I'm sure the new guys will be fine, but it just seems like the group is going back to the "concerts by rote" format of the immediate post-Carl years. Now if the rumours about Mike having a new album coming out are true, we may see him introduce a couple of new songs to the setlists, but I'm not holding my breath. It's June, and I haven't seen any official word about his new cd/album/download/ implant.
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Post by kds on Jun 6, 2023 20:02:49 GMT
For S&Gs, I pulled up some recent Beach Boys setlists. There don't seem to be any changes from the last couple summers. The sets seem to range from 30-37 songs. I did think that they might include some CATP / Holland tracks to try to push Sail On Sailor, but I guess that boxset is yesterday's news. And for these reasons, I'm less enthusiastic about seeing the guys this summer. Also the fact that they're playing a venue I'm unfamiliar with. But those "bonus songs" a couple years ago really made for a special show - Add Some Music, Feel Flows, All I Wanna Do, It's About Time. That was 4 songs I never believed I would hear/see them play in concert. The changes in personnel kind of bother me, too. Scott and John were such important band members, and I'm sure the new guys will be fine, but it just seems like the group is going back to the "concerts by rote" format of the immediate post-Carl years. Now if the rumours about Mike having a new album coming out are true, we may see him introduce a couple of new songs to the setlists, but I'm not holding my breath. It's June, and I haven't seen any official word about his new cd/album/download/implant. Well, Mike's done a Summer album and a Christmas album, so perhaps the next will be a Halloween album.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 7, 2023 21:09:41 GMT
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 8, 2023 13:12:38 GMT
I have to say that leaves me unimpressed. I don't think he sang it very well at all.
But what's more, I don't get the point of doing a cover song that isn't closely identified with one of these Beach Boys singing lead. If they were going to do one that Mike or Bruce sings, that makes more sense. But this one doesn't have a lot to do with anybody in the band. It would be like if they chose to do "Cottonfields" and had Keith Hubacher sing it. I mean, they could ... but why?
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