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Post by kds on Aug 21, 2023 14:58:22 GMT
I agree that this one is the best of the three latter-day releases. You've hit the nail on the head, I think, with respect to why they're releasing songs now. They have been touring for what, five or six years now?, on a really small catalog. You've got Appetite, Lies, Illusions I&II, and that's basically it. Yes, they do bits of their "wildnerness years" material, whether something from Chinese Democracy or Velvet Revolver. Yes, they do a few covers. But this band isn't McCartney, it isn't the Stones, it isn't the Beach Boys. The catalog just isn't that large, so there isn't much to draw from. At some point, the luster of a reunion itself dulls, and you can't just play the same two dozen songs over and over. However, it would be great if they added 10 or 12 new songs--a new album!--not just onesie-twosies. (Then again, you'd need that album to stand up to the quality of their canonical material. That's not easy.) I know that they've played smaller venues recently than at the beginning of the reunion in 2016. I definitely don't expect anything as good as Appetite or the better parts of UYI, but I think they can pull off something at least comparable to the Velvet Revolver albums, and better than Chinese Democracy.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 21, 2023 15:19:05 GMT
I agree that this one is the best of the three latter-day releases. You've hit the nail on the head, I think, with respect to why they're releasing songs now. They have been touring for what, five or six years now?, on a really small catalog. You've got Appetite, Lies, Illusions I&II, and that's basically it. Yes, they do bits of their "wildnerness years" material, whether something from Chinese Democracy or Velvet Revolver. Yes, they do a few covers. But this band isn't McCartney, it isn't the Stones, it isn't the Beach Boys. The catalog just isn't that large, so there isn't much to draw from. At some point, the luster of a reunion itself dulls, and you can't just play the same two dozen songs over and over. However, it would be great if they added 10 or 12 new songs--a new album!--not just onesie-twosies. (Then again, you'd need that album to stand up to the quality of their canonical material. That's not easy.) I know that they've played smaller venues recently than at the beginning of the reunion in 2016. I definitely don't expect anything as good as Appetite or the better parts of UYI, but I think they can pull off something at least comparable to the Velvet Revolver albums, and better than Chinese Democracy. And realistically with legacy bands, isn't that more or less the hope/standard? Nobody expected That's Why God Made the Radio to compete with Pet Sounds--we all just hoped it wouldn't be closer to Summer in Paradise. When it ended up a solidly middle-of-the-pack album, good but not great, that was seen as a triumph. I think it would be the same for GnR. If they had an album that felt like its music could have fit within the Illusion albums, not as the best songs, but not embarrassing in that company (and better than "My World"!), I think people would be happy. This latest song does that, I think. But they need to do something to justify people continuing to pay all that money to see them live.
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Post by kds on Aug 21, 2023 15:27:36 GMT
I know that they've played smaller venues recently than at the beginning of the reunion in 2016. I definitely don't expect anything as good as Appetite or the better parts of UYI, but I think they can pull off something at least comparable to the Velvet Revolver albums, and better than Chinese Democracy. And realistically with legacy bands, isn't that more or less the hope/standard? Nobody expected That's Why God Made the Radio to compete with Pet Sounds--we all just hoped it wouldn't be closer to Summer in Paradise. When it ended up a solidly middle-of-the-pack album, good but not great, that was seen as a triumph. I think it would be the same for GnR. If they had an album that felt like its music could have fit within the Illusion albums, not as the best songs, but not embarrassing in that company (and better than "My World"!), I think people would be happy. This latest song does that, I think. But they need to do something to justify people continuing to pay all that money to see them live. That's my expectation. I feel the same about the two albums The Who have released in the 21st Century. They'll never be confused for Tommy, Who's Next, or Quadrophenia, but they're both solid albums.
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Post by kds on Sept 5, 2023 0:32:19 GMT
Paul McCartney mentioned this new Buffett song in his tribute post.
Its called Bubbles Up, and it was posted on YouTube the day after Buffett died. It reminds me a bit of some of Jimmy's later ballads like Book on the Shelf.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 6, 2023 14:47:18 GMT
The Rolling Stones released some information on their forthcoming album, Hackney Diamonds, which will be released Oct. 20. It was produced by Andrew Watt (Ozzy Osbourne, Iggy Pop, Miley Cyrus, Eddie Vedder, and many more). The first single, "Angry," was released today.
The video would make David Coverdale proud.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 7, 2023 10:16:46 GMT
The Rolling Stones released some information on their forthcoming album, Hackney Diamonds, which will be released Oct. 20. It was produced by Andrew Watt (Ozzy Osbourne, Iggy Pop, Miley Cyrus, Eddie Vedder, and many more). The first single, "Angry," was released today. The video would make David Coverdale proud. Mixed feelings here. It's good to hear Mick sounding like Mick and Keith sounding like Keith. You know all the cliches, but they're true. It's nice to have the Stones around, still doing it, still releasing new music. Who would've thought they'd still be alive! And they certainly aren't just hanging around, certainly aren't embarrassing themselves. With Mick and Keith as the only original members, somehow they...escape...the criticism (are they a legitimate "Rolling Stones" anymore?) that many other groups from that era face.
All of that being said, "Angry" is OK, good in places, very good in some others. It rocks, there's the familiar Keith riffs, of course the familiar Mick voice, and it sounds like it could get some airplay. But, is it too safe? I kept waiting for some magic but...is it something I would want to come back to? And that's important to me. A minor point, but is that autotune I'm hearing? Now I'm curious if this is the best single - or the best song on the album?
Oh, and the video? Back to the 80s!
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Post by kds on Sept 7, 2023 10:32:15 GMT
Sydney Sweeney will ensure that video gets a lot of views.
The song's pretty decent. And I do think I heard a little pitch correction, which I'm pretty sure Watt also used with Ozzy last year.
Sheriff, you're right. I don't see or hear the Stones getting much guff about soldiering on without Charlie (or Bill Wyman for that matter).
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 7, 2023 12:09:31 GMT
I think the song is pretty average. I'm not the biggest Stones fan in the world, to be fair--it's really their '66-'72 stuff I like best, but I'm not even any kind of superfan over that--but it just seems like a typical Stones song.
As for the lineup changes, I have two thoughts as to why they don't get a lot of grief. One, they've had a certain amount of turnover all along, and so I'm not sure the band members always were that important to everybody (so long as they saw Mick and Keith). Even discounting those very early, 1962 members, you had Ian Stewart kind-of in, kind-of out; you had Brian Jones until 1969; you had Mick Taylor in from 1969-74; Ronnie Wood joins in 1975; Bill Wyman retires in the early '90s; and (as with the Beach Boys), you often had much larger touring bands.
But maybe more important, you don't have competing "Rolling Stoneses." I think that is a big deal when these things are public, as those situations drum up controversy. When it's just one brand-band playing, I think things just chug along (as long as someone recognizable is involved).
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Post by kds on Sept 8, 2023 3:12:53 GMT
That could be a factor too.
I also think, in general, fans tend to be more open minded about lineup changes as long as the lead singer is still there.
For several years, Journey was touring with 4/5 of the Escape lineup. The lone missing member was Steve Perry, and they were still called a tribute band.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 8, 2023 10:50:01 GMT
That could be a factor too. I also think, in general, fans tend to be more open minded about lineup changes as long as the lead singer is still there. For several years, Journey was touring with 4/5 of the Escape lineup. The lone missing member was Steve Perry, and they were still called a tribute band. That's a good point. Or maybe, if not just the lead singer, at least a major frontline performer. So you could swap David Lee Roth for Sammy Hagar as long as you had Eddie Van Halen. Of course there were still complaints anyway in that example. But generally I think as long as it's "only" the drummer, the bassist, the keyboardist, people care less.
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Post by kds on Sept 8, 2023 15:15:35 GMT
Jimmy Buffett officially releases three new songs from his upcoming final album today.
Along with the already leaked ballad Bubbles Up, two more upbeat numbers - Like My Dog and My Gummie Just Kicked In. The latter features Paul McCartney.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 8, 2023 15:22:59 GMT
Jimmy Buffett officially releases three new songs from his upcoming final album today. Along with the already leaked ballad Bubbles Up, two more upbeat numbers - Like My Dog and My Gummie Just Kicked In. The latter features Paul McCartney. Nothing boosts album sales like dying. Ask David Bowie, with Blackstar. Seems like almost nobody cared about him for 20+ years, but he died I believe within a day or so of its release, and it was almost universally praised. Brought him back to the foreground more than he'd been in quite some time, and he didn't even get to enjoy it.
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Post by kds on Sept 8, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
Jimmy Buffett officially releases three new songs from his upcoming final album today. Along with the already leaked ballad Bubbles Up, two more upbeat numbers - Like My Dog and My Gummie Just Kicked In. The latter features Paul McCartney. Nothing boosts album sales like dying. Ask David Bowie, with Blackstar. Seems like almost nobody cared about him for 20+ years, but he died I believe within a day or so of its release, and it was almost universally praised. Brought him back to the foreground more than he'd been in quite some time, and he didn't even get to enjoy it. I'll be interested to see how Jimmy's death affects his reputation. As it stands now, he seems to be somewhat regarded as a niche quasi novelty artist with a big following. Maybe with his passing, and tributes paid by several more "respected" artists, you'll see Buffett getting a little more credit as an artist that he didn't really get in life, outside of the Parrotheads.
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Post by kds on Sept 8, 2023 15:39:47 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 9, 2023 16:32:24 GMT
New Rolling Stones' interview with Jimmy Fallon:
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