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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2022 19:14:20 GMT
Yeah I was thinking the chord progression of the verse and the general style of the guitar playing are similar. It's not a literal theft, though. However, I wonder if Jimi were alive, whether he'd eventually have sued. Or whether his estate ever did. Considering the song wasn't a single and the album didn't even go gold, probably wouldn't have been worth the effort.
I finished the Rainbow album and wasn't too impressed. Not bad, but not special. Just began Purple.
I think of the two albums, the Purple one would probably be more up you alley. The Dio Era Rainbow has been described as "castle rock" or "baroque and roll." I said in another thread, who knows when, that it's kind of like an early version of what became "power metal."
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 29, 2022 15:43:24 GMT
Of these two albums, I think Deep Purple got the better of the two bands. I think it was the (far) better album.
However, looking objectively at the two bands' near-term futures, clearly Rainbow came out on top. While Purple broke up (and Bolin died), Blackmore kept Rainbow chugging along to increased success.
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Post by kds on Aug 29, 2022 15:53:57 GMT
I actually prefer the first Rainbow album to Come Taste the Band, but I think I'm a bigger fan of the castle rock thing that Rainbow did with Dio as the singer. Although, I really like both albums.
Purple probably came out better in the far long term. They've pretty much been going strong since reunited back in 1984. Rainbow, despite some commercial success, have a legacy as a bit of a niche band.
There's actually a second part to this Purple / Rainbow story, but I'll wait to see if anyone else feels like chiming in.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 29, 2022 17:00:40 GMT
In the FAR long term, yes, I agree Purple got the best of it all. But in those initial years, it was Rainbow for sure.
As for my preference, it is definitely possible that I prefer the more straight-ahead or bluesy music of Purple, but I also think the Rainbow debut just felt a little stale or uninspired--which struck me as a surprise, since I'd associate a strong personality like Blackmore launching a new project to be on the strength of some real impetus, some real inspiration. And this just felt ... not like that. I know Rising is better regarded, and I wonder if I'd like it more.
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Post by kds on Aug 29, 2022 17:09:56 GMT
In the FAR long term, yes, I agree Purple got the best of it all. But in those initial years, it was Rainbow for sure.
As for my preference, it is definitely possible that I prefer the more straight-ahead or bluesy music of Purple, but I also think the Rainbow debut just felt a little stale or uninspired--which struck me as a surprise, since I'd associate a strong personality like Blackmore launching a new project to be on the strength of some real impetus, some real inspiration. And this just felt ... not like that. I know Rising is better regarded, and I wonder if I'd like it more.
I do think the Rising is an improvement. Partially because Ritchie brought in better musicians. I'm sure the guys from Elf were nice guys, but there's a reason why their three albums didn't really go anywhere. The songwriting on both Rising and Long Live Rock and Roll is a little more ambitious too, I think.
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Post by kds on Sept 6, 2022 20:11:21 GMT
I think a week is long enough
The Man in Black Leaves Purple for Rainbow - Part 2
By the early 1990s, Ritchie Blackmore was, once again, not too happy with Deep Purple. Ritchie and singer Ian Gillan had always butted heads. In the late 80s, Blackmore was able to replace Gillan with former Rainbow frontman Joe Lynn Turner for Purple's Slaves and Masters album. The album was pretty poorly received.
The label made a deal with Ritchie that if Gillan were brought back into the fold, they'd let Ritchie do a solo album.
So, Gillan returned for 1993's The Battle Rages On album. But, Ritchie decided to leave the band in 1994 while the band were touring. Joe Satriani played guitar for the remaining dates.
Meanwhile, instead of doing a solo album, Ritchie revived Rainbow. Although, no former members were recruited for the resulting album - 1995's Stranger in Us All.
By the time Deep Purple went back into the studio, they'd enlisted Steve Morse as a permanent guitarist, and in 1996, Purple released Purpendicular.
Neither the Rainbow album nor the Purple album charted in the US.
In a bit of a reversal of the mid 70s split, Deep Purple carried on, while Rainbow folded up shop after one album. Ritchie soon disbanded Rainbow to concentrate on his Renaissance folk rock project - Blackmore's Night, who released their debut album in 1997, and continue to release music and perform to this day. Deep Purple has continued to release music and tour to the present.
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Post by kds on Mar 13, 2024 18:25:39 GMT
Two Priests Walk Into a Recording Studio
I was thinking about this one while attending the KK's Priest concert last night. There's a few layers to this split of the Metal Gods.
I'd have to go back to the first split. In the early 90s, Rob Halford accidentally quit the band via fax (according to him). He started a more extreme metal band called Fight. It took KK Downing, Glenn Tipton, Ian Hill, and Scott Travis a while to act. But, they eventually found a replacement in tribute band singer Tim "Ripper" Owens, and released a new album with him in 1997.
As his industrial Two project, Halford formed a new band called....Halford, and released the album Resurrection in 2000, a throwback with a classic Priest sound. Many fans thought it sounded more like Priest than the Ripper lead Judas Priest, whose albums were a bit darker than the albums they'd done with Rob.
For a few years, Halford and Judas Priest competed for the same fanbase before reuniting in 2003. The Halford / Downing / Tipton / Hill / Travis lineup released two albums in the 2000s, and toured quite often. But, at the end of the decade, appeared to decide to pack in it.
They band were all set for a farewell tour, but KK abruptly left the band in 2011. The details, even from KK himself, have always been murky, but he'd said he was disappointed with the band's shows of recent years. Priest went on tour with new guitarist Richie Faulkner. Free of the tension between KK and Glenn, the band got a bit of a shot in the arm, and decided (shocker) not to retire. They've since released three studio albums (most recently this past Friday), and have toured consistently when there's not been a pandemic.
KK Downing sat on the sidelines until 2020 when he announced the formation of his new band - KK's Priest, which would feature Tim "Ripper" Owens. The band has released two albums, each of which sound more like classic Judas Priest than the actual JP albums featuring Ripper at the turn of the century.
Now, in 2024, both KK's Priest and Judas Priest are on the road, promoting new material, playing some of the same Priest classics.
If you're a Judas Priest fan, you can say...
1. Two bands of metal gods. Rock on.
2. I prefer the real Priest with Rob Halford
3. I prefer KK's band since Ripper is the better singer now
4. The hell with the whole lot until they reunite
I don't really have any strong feelings. Maybe I'm closest to #1. I got to see the classic lineup four times. I think both bands are releasing solid material now. It would be cool to see them all together again, but it's just another case of a fractured legacy band.
Edit - As an extra wrinkle in a band that living well after the midnight of their career, Glenn Tipton was diagnosed with Parkinson's about five years ago. He's still listed at a full member, and still writes material and plays on the albums. But, he's limited in terms of playing live, he'll usually go on for an encore song. So, the current Judas Priest is mostly sans their two classic guitarists.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 13, 2024 19:20:15 GMT
What's funny is, you'd mentioned the openers were late 80s/early 90s sleaze rockers LA Guns. If I'm not mistaken, they've had two simultaneous versions at all times for the past 20+ years, first with the key members Tracii Guns and Phil Lewis each leading one, and then when they reunited, with now-deceased drummer Steven Riley leading one over the past 10 years or so.
In fact, I think "Riley's LA Guns," as they were legally required to be called, is continuing under that name despite the death of Riley, with bassist Kelly Nickels being the primary tie to the original band. (He wasn't an original memer, either, but was in during their heyday.)
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Post by kds on Mar 13, 2024 20:36:08 GMT
What's funny is, you'd mentioned the openers were late 80s/early 90s sleaze rockers LA Guns. If I'm not mistaken, they've had two simultaneous versions at all times for the past 20+ years, first with the key members Tracii Guns and Phil Lewis each leading one, and then when they reunited, with now-deceased drummer Steven Riley leading one over the past 10 years or so. In fact, I think "Riley's LA Guns," as they were legally required to be called, is continuing under that name despite the death of Riley, with bassist Kelly Nickels being the primary tie to the original band. (He wasn't an original memer, either, but was in during their heyday.) I wasn't sure of the specifics with LA Guns. I remember the two bands, with Tracii and with Phil. For a while, I think Tracii's band was called Tracii's LA Guns or something like that. So, I know Riley was in the Phil led version of the band, and I remember Phil and Steven were on That Metal Show in the early 10s, and Riley went on a tirade about Tracii. Do you know the specifics on how Phil and Tracii reconciled and how Riley and Phil parted ways? I thought all that happened after Riley died. But, I'll admit that I've not followed their activity very closely.
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