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Post by kds on Oct 1, 2021 14:03:02 GMT
That brings me to football, what do we think the players these days are listening to? Or, what do we think they were listening to back in the early 2000s when past-their-prime classic rockers were performing year in and year out during the biggest game of their lives? Now that I think about it, why is there a concert at halftime anyway? Shouldn't the Super Bowl be about football, not music and commercials? The halftime show should just be former Super Bowl champs and hall of famers of the participating teams commenting on the game and their experiences. Yep. I think it was the NBA (but could have been NFL) that had as its intro/outro music between segments as a Robb Thomas song. Umm...probably not key demographic. The NFL used to have a lot of country, too. I'm not saying none of their fans like it, obviously some do.
Generally I agree. When you try to tie things together for sponsorships and such, it can really work. But it also can just seem silly when it's forced or a tired idea. Maybe the idea of halftime shows being "legendary artists" just doesn't make sense anymore, with so few actual demographic-spanning stars left in society, as well as (like you said) the fact that none of rock, country, rap, pop, or RnB has any inherent connection to football.
It's all part of what makes the Super Bowl the most watched event of the year. As many us football fans might roll our collective eyes at the halftime show and the pomp and circumstance, just as many probably use the football game itself as their time to go to the bathroom or get snacks.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 1, 2021 14:06:48 GMT
That is true for sure. Similar to the commercials, really. It is obviously an attempt to get as many different people as possible to think it matters. "You don't like football? That's OK, our football game is barely about football at all!"
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Post by kds on Oct 1, 2021 14:08:34 GMT
And, as much as it kinda sucks to admit it, Dr. Dre, Mary J. Blige, and Snoop Doggy Dogg are probably considered "legendary" artists now.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 1, 2021 14:20:21 GMT
Oh, 100%. That was part of my point in my first post on this subject. Dre was one of the founders of NWA (one of the most influential, for better or worse, rap groups of all time) and then he went on as a solo artist and producer throughout the 90s especially to massive success; Snoop was massive for a while there in the 90s/00s and became a cultural icon; Eminem is one of the most successful rappers ever; Blige I know less about, but I know she was big; and Lamar is one of the most critically acclaimed rappers of all time, not to mention hugely successful.
If you're 35, it's not unlikely that you see Dr. Dre as a kind of godfather to everything in music you know.
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Post by kds on Oct 1, 2021 14:26:14 GMT
I can't help myself finding it comical that less than 20 years ago, the Super Bowl Halftime Show featured a little extra flesh, and people lost their goddamn minds.
But, now, they've selected artists who, in their hey days, were super controversial. But, I guess we also live in a universal where WAP is an anthem for female empowerment. Hard to get a handle on the pulse of things some days.
I'll just stay in my corner, listening to mostly artists who've been around longer than I've been walking the earth.
One thing I'll say, at least they didn't select Billie Eilish or Olivia Rodrigo.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 1, 2021 14:32:50 GMT
I can't help myself finding it comical that less than 20 years ago, the Super Bowl Halftime Show featured a little extra flesh, and people lost their goddamn minds. But, now, they've selected artists who, in their hey days, were super controversial. But, I guess we also live in a universal where WAP is an anthem for female empowerment. Hard to get a handle on the pulse of things some days. True enough. Though isn't that to some degree often true? Elvis shakes his hips, gets his records burned ... and becomes the old-timers' Vegas act. The Beatles admit to taking drugs and being more popular than Jesus, get their records burned ... and become the old-timers' example of the good-old days. Prince crosses gender and sexuality boundaries, sings about not just sex but incest, etc. ... and becomes the old-timers' example of the good-old days.
Controversies almost always seem tamed by time.
But for sure, Dre was a founder of "gangsta rap," with graphic, violent lyrics. He was a mentor to Eminem and Snoop, both controversial as well for graphic violent fantasies and glorification of gangster life, respectively. In 2000, nobody would have ever guessed they'd be a mainstream network TV centerpiece. But times change.
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Post by kds on Oct 1, 2021 14:44:41 GMT
I can't help myself finding it comical that less than 20 years ago, the Super Bowl Halftime Show featured a little extra flesh, and people lost their goddamn minds. But, now, they've selected artists who, in their hey days, were super controversial. But, I guess we also live in a universal where WAP is an anthem for female empowerment. Hard to get a handle on the pulse of things some days. True enough. Though isn't that to some degree often true? Elvis shakes his hips, gets his records burned ... and becomes the old-timers' Vegas act. The Beatles admit to taking drugs and being more popular than Jesus, get their records burned ... and become the old-timers' example of the good-old days. Prince crosses gender and sexuality boundaries, sings about not just sex but incest, etc. ... and becomes the old-timers' example of the good-old days.
Controversies almost always seem tamed by time.
But for sure, Dre was a founder of "gangsta rap," with graphic, violent lyrics. He was a mentor to Eminem and Snoop, both controversial as well for graphic violent fantasies and glorification of gangster life, respectively. In 2000, nobody would have ever guessed they'd be a mainstream network TV centerpiece. But times change.
Yeah, it's funny to see guys like Snoop, Ozzy Osbourne, and Mike Tyson embraced by pop culture as loveable characters these days. Imagine a few years from now, people will say "These female pop stars are so trashy, why can't they be more like Ariana Grande?"
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 1, 2021 15:01:29 GMT
"When I was a kid, it was so much more innocent, with Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion, CupcakKe ... nowadays it's all going to hell with these no-talent so-called stars."
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Post by kds on Oct 1, 2021 15:23:59 GMT
For some reason, I was thought of a scene from the 2012 movie American Reunion.
The main character, Jim who is about 31 now in the movie is driving a drunk 18 year old girl (who he used to babysit) home. A Spice Girls song is on the radio, and she's singing along, before turning to him and saying "Don't you love classic rock?"
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 2, 2021 11:55:30 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 2, 2021 13:01:42 GMT
This one has me a little surprised. He's only 67, which these days, makes him relatively young to hang it up. He is a lead singer of hard rock material, and that puts added stress on him, especially with live performances. I guess I expected Roth to put some kind of band together, develop a setlist of Van Halen and solo material, and dance the night away.
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Post by kds on Oct 2, 2021 14:11:52 GMT
This one has me a little surprised. He's only 67, which these days, makes him relatively young to hang it up. He is a lead singer of hard rock material, and that puts added stress on him, especially with live performances. I guess I expected Roth to put some kind of band together, develop a setlist of Van Halen and solo material, and dance the night away. That's what I thought he was doing with his Vegas residency. But, I put very little stock in any "retirement" announcements anymore. Maybe with Eddie's death, and being kicked off the KISS tour, DLR had a bit of a moment, but I do not expect this retirement to last.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 2, 2021 15:05:50 GMT
This one has me a little surprised. He's only 67, which these days, makes him relatively young to hang it up. He is a lead singer of hard rock material, and that puts added stress on him, especially with live performances. I guess I expected Roth to put some kind of band together, develop a setlist of Van Halen and solo material, and dance the night away. That's what I thought he was doing with his Vegas residency. But, I put very little stock in any "retirement" announcements anymore. Maybe with Eddie's death, and being kicked off the KISS tour, DLR had a bit of a moment, but I do not expect this retirement to last. That's exactly what I was thinking. It's funny, because in the article he's quoted as saying something like "my one and only" retirement announcement, which you could take to mean he's not doing anything official for any other news outlets about this retirement; or that he means he's not going to retire, return, and retire again (thus another retirement announcement). Anyway, point being, I would not be surprised in the slightest if he makes a comeback tour or album sooner than later.
That said, to SJS's point above, I think DLR has it worse than some legends because it was never really his singing that made him an attraction, but his looks and physicality and charisma. So for him, if he's 70 or 75 and can just stand there and sing? Hell, that wouldn't even have been good when he was 25, because he doesn't have the voice to carry an act. I think his body's aging, and thus inability to perform the way he would have liked to, matters because it focuses on his voice. So I get why he'd walk away, too.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 2, 2021 15:19:34 GMT
In the New Music thread, B.E. posted a new song/video from Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp, and I commented how those two 70-somethings are going to have to pick up the proverbial slack from the soon-to-be 80-somethings who are starting to thin out. Question - Who from that generation, the performers in their 60's/early 70's, will carry things live? Who will be around for us...to see?
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 2, 2021 15:36:58 GMT
In the New Music thread, B.E. posted a new song/video from Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp, and I commented how those two 70-somethings are going to have to pick up the proverbial slack from the soon-to-be 80-somethings who are starting to thin out. Question - Who from that generation, the performers in their 60's/early 70's, will carry things live? Who will be around for us...to see? Well, who else is still around? The Eagles' current lineup is still out--and in fact, were here last night--and I'd imagine they will continue doing so as long as they can (and do good business). Fleetwood Mac and Lindsay Buckingham. Elvis Costello. Queen + Adam Lambert. I suppose Bon Jovi is getting into that territory (Jon is 59). Does Madonna still tour? For the time being, AC/DC? Hilariously, before too long, Guns 'n' Roses?
Those are the biggest ones that come to mind. It's amazing how many of the biggest acts of the '70s have already died, have lost key members, or have already (basically) retired. Michael Jackson, Prince, Daryl Dragon, Lou Reed, Phil Lynott, David Bowie, Ric Ocasek, several Gibb brothers, Karen Carpenter, and many others. Elton John, Billy Joel, Paul Simon, Linda Ronstadt, allegedly KISS (though they're "retiring" for the next couple years, per their schedule), and I'm sure many others I'm forgetting have more or less retired. Led Zeppelin, REM, the Replacements, and Van Halen won't return as units.
I do think the sorts of acts that can draw huge crowds every night--McCartney, the Stones--are going to diminish. Because now in the next decade or so, we also start getting into more niche and fewer mass market artists. There are fewer superstars that appeal to everyone.
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