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Post by Kapitan on Jun 4, 2021 12:31:32 GMT
With Feel Flows almost upon us, I inevitably start looking ahead again. (This seems bad for one's mental health, but I can't help it.)
I started thinking, though, might this be the last big album(s)-specific archival project that will include a physical product release, a la Pet Sounds, Smile, Sunshine Tomorrow, and Feel Flows? Obviously the '70s albums had far sketchier consistency than the '60s ones did, and then even worse going forward.
It seems to me the most interesting two possible sets would be CATP/Holland and 150BO/LY.
CATP/Holland is not only good, but unique: it's truly a different band when you swap out Bruce (and basically Brian), swap in Blondie and Ricky, and really change the aesthetic dramatically. There are unreleased song titles from that era, including what has come to be known as the Bedroom Tapes material from Brian. But it's also coming up quickly: would they really have the financial justification for doing another major package on the heels of this one? After all, they were just digital-only releases between WH and S/SU.
15BO/LY is, if anything, trickier. It does give us a little time between product, so that might be in its favor. We know there are outtakes from this era, including various other oldies and the Adult Child material. But would the band or label want to push that content, which might seem more like curiosities than underappreciated quality material? It's certainly not to everyone's taste in either respect: the covers are often so corny, and the AC stuff is damn weird. Seems destined for digital-only.
What do you all think? Anything else going to happen? Anything else that would be cool?
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Post by kds on Jun 4, 2021 13:20:02 GMT
I think the future of any future physical releases will be dependent on how Feel Flows performs.
I would love to see a release devoted to the CATP / Holland era. I doubt anything exists, but I'd love to see if any concert films exist from that time. But, the fact that I've not seen anything on the bootleg (shhhhh) market tells me it's likely not out there.
On the 15BO / Love You era, we're talking around 2027 for a possible release. Not to sound morbid, but it's quite possible there will be a lot less to promote in the BB universe by then (specifically tours), so that might be the time release whatever they can.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 4, 2021 13:26:53 GMT
I think the future of any future physical releases will be dependent on how Feel Flows performs. I would love to see a release devoted to the CATP / Holland era. I doubt anything exists, but I'd love to see if any concert films exist from that time. But, the fact that I've not seen anything on the bootleg (shhhhh) market tells me it's likely not out there. On the 15BO / Love You era, we're talking around 2027 for a possible release. Not to sound morbid, but it's quite possible there will be a lot less to promote in the BB universe by then (specifically tours), so that might be the time release whatever they can. On CATP/Holland, there must be live footage that the band itself recorded, wouldn't you think? They were back to becoming a big live act in that era, and obviously they recorded shows for audio release. It would be odd if they never recorded video, I think. (Plus Billy Hinsche was filming behind the scenes in those days for his college projects. Maybe he also had at least one concert recorded?)
On 15BO/LY, yeah...though the one thing I've been thinking for years, and still do, is that Brian having passed might well be the prerequisite for the release of some of what he did but didn't release--honestly from both of those eras, bedroom tapes and Adult Child. It is the kind of thing that you could imagine him not exactly wanting to promote, as it shows a man with some serious issues, but something that in hindsight, with appropriate narrative around it, you could imagine a label or estate leveraging.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 4, 2021 13:33:29 GMT
I can see Adult Child lumped in with 15 Big Ones, Love You, and even M.I.U. Album. A few of the M.I.U. songs originated during the 1976 sessions. There's a lot of interesting, unreleased stuff from 1976/77. THAT - 15 Big Ones/Love You/Adult Child/M.I.U. Album plus unreleased and live tracks would make a fascinating boxed set. Brian Is Back!
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Post by kds on Jun 4, 2021 13:36:14 GMT
I think the future of any future physical releases will be dependent on how Feel Flows performs. I would love to see a release devoted to the CATP / Holland era. I doubt anything exists, but I'd love to see if any concert films exist from that time. But, the fact that I've not seen anything on the bootleg (shhhhh) market tells me it's likely not out there. On the 15BO / Love You era, we're talking around 2027 for a possible release. Not to sound morbid, but it's quite possible there will be a lot less to promote in the BB universe by then (specifically tours), so that might be the time release whatever they can. On CATP/Holland, there must be live footage that the band itself recorded, wouldn't you think? They were back to becoming a big live act in that era, and obviously they recorded shows for audio release. It would be odd if they never recorded video, I think. (Plus Billy Hinsche was filming behind the scenes in those days for his college projects. Maybe he also had at least one concert recorded?)
On 15BO/LY, yeah...though the one thing I've been thinking for years, and still do, is that Brian having passed might well be the prerequisite for the release of some of what he did but didn't release--honestly from both of those eras, bedroom tapes and Adult Child. It is the kind of thing that you could imagine him not exactly wanting to promote, as it shows a man with some serious issues, but something that in hindsight, with appropriate narrative around it, you could imagine a label or estate leveraging.
I'd like to hope they recorded something, but filming shows wasn't nearly as popular then. (Christ, we couldn't even get a full filmed show from 2012 when things like that were common). If such a thing exists, they've done a good job keeping a lid on it. Yeah, I was thinking that too, that Brian's eventually passing could lead to the release of that stuff.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 4, 2021 13:41:28 GMT
There are a few 2012 full shows out there, though. I wouldn't be surprised in quite a few were officially recorded and just not released.
Early 70s, certainly less common. No question. But still not uncommon, at least for such a major band. One has to wonder. I agree, it would be great to see.
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Post by kds on Jun 4, 2021 13:47:14 GMT
There are a few 2012 full shows out there, though. I wouldn't be surprised in quite a few were officially recorded and just not released.
Early 70s, certainly less common. No question. But still not uncommon, at least for such a major band. One has to wonder. I agree, it would be great to see.
I've seen the one pro shot 2012 from Japan, that was a shorter set than any of the US/UK shows unfortunately, that I actually bought on a gray area release on Amazon. But, other than audience recordings, I've not seen any pro shot shows. But, no doubt shows were filmed, the footage from Doin It Again and 50th Anniversary Concert are proof. Not Beach Boys, but I remember one of Brian's 2016 shows was apparently filmed too, perhaps as part of Long Promised Documentary......er Road. I'd think for a band like The Beach Boys, if something were filmed, it would've received some sort of theatrical release (ala Queen at the Rainbow or The Song Remains the Same) at the time, followed by eventual home releases.
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Jun 6, 2021 17:13:30 GMT
Here are my expectations: I believe that a “Feel Flows 2” Digital compilation and a “Live Feel Flows” release at the end of the year are quite likely. There are a couple tracks, including early tears in the morning, Silly walls, a version of Sea Cruise from 1971, several pieces of piano noodling from Dennis, Carl moog experiments from 71, that could easily be dropped onto a digital set at the end of the year. I expect CATP/Holland to get a digital release at the end of next year. Mark and Alan have talked about two projects that they would love to work on, a “Beach Boys in Concert” box covering several live recordings that exist in the vaults from 1972-1975. And a “Brian’s Back” box, covering 15 big ones, love you, adult child, and MIU. I saw someone on the board say that that project was unlikely, but I have to disagree. Just from that era, Rock ‘n’ roll music was a top 10 hit, come go with me was a top 20 hit, and it’s OK was a top 30 hit. All of those songs performed better than anything off of sunflower or SU, and 15 BO, oddly enough, is one of their highest selling albums. Not to mention, love you and adult child have a lot of credit given to them from publications. also, there is a lot of unreleased material from this time. I would say an additional album or two worth of unreleased material. As stated earlier in this thread, if promoted properly, that could definitely be a good one. outside of that, over the years there have been several parties Who have expressed interest in releasing some of the Wilson project material, stuff that BW and Gary Usher recorded from 1986-87. There’s the Brian/Andy Paley material from the 90s that could easily be released. And there are a lot of random other smaller scale releases that can be done. There’s a lot of demos and half finished songs from 1978-1982 that could see the light of day, official releases of Sweet insanity, First Love and Country Love, re-releases of Still Cruisin’ and Summer in Paradise. All of these things definitely would not be on the level of a Feel Flows, but if they partnered with a label like omnivore, who released the “Becoming The Beach Boys” comp A couple years ago, they could easily trickle all of this stuff out over the next several years. And I expect them to, especially now that there is a third-party in charge of the entire catalog.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 6, 2021 20:20:04 GMT
Here are my expectations: I believe that a “Feel Flows 2” Digital compilation and a “Live Feel Flows” release at the end of the year are quite likely. There are a couple tracks, including early tears in the morning, Silly walls, a version of Sea Cruise from 1971, several pieces of piano noodling from Dennis, Carl moog experiments from 71, that could easily be dropped onto a digital set at the end of the year. I'm not disagreeing with you, but if fans have to shell out more money for even more tracks - that weren't on the boxed set - well, they ain't gonna be happy about that. The set(s) are already overpriced to begin with, and if they couldn't get everything on 5CDs...
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Jun 6, 2021 20:30:39 GMT
Here are my expectations: I believe that a “Feel Flows 2” Digital compilation and a “Live Feel Flows” release at the end of the year are quite likely. There are a couple tracks, including early tears in the morning, Silly walls, a version of Sea Cruise from 1971, several pieces of piano noodling from Dennis, Carl moog experiments from 71, that could easily be dropped onto a digital set at the end of the year. I'm not disagreeing with you, but if fans have to shell out more money for even more tracks - that weren't on the boxed set - well, they ain't gonna be happy about that. The set(s) are already overpriced to begin with, and if they couldn't get everything on 5CDs... Well either way, if you want more material, you’re either gonna have to pay for more material, or get a streaming service. sorry to say, but that’s the way this industry works. I don’t think anyone was upset when sunshine tomorrow 2 came out with an extra disc worth of material just six months after the first sunshine tomorrow.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 6, 2021 20:55:54 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with you, but if fans have to shell out more money for even more tracks - that weren't on the boxed set - well, they ain't gonna be happy about that. The set(s) are already overpriced to begin with, and if they couldn't get everything on 5CDs... Well either way, if you want more material, you’re either gonna have to pay for more material, or get a streaming service. sorry to say, but that’s the way this industry works. I don’t think anyone was upset when sunshine tomorrow 2 came out with an extra disc worth of material just six months after the first sunshine tomorrow. I hear ya. True, Beach Boys' fans will always want more, or everything actually. But, again, this boxed set is salty, and I tried to do some mental arithmetic, and it appears that there is significant extra space left on some of the CDs that could've been used. I'm just sayin'. Oh, and I didn't purchase Sunshine Tomorrow 2, or whatever it is called.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 29, 2021 15:57:00 GMT
Listening to Feel Flows, I couldn't help but let my mind wander to the next era. Not only do I think a CATP/Holland era set would be tremendous, I think it actually might have commercial potential. I think the sound they were working in during that era might have real appeal now, in some ways like the Wild Honey material did with Sunshine Tomorrow or even the current stuff on Feel Flows does.
What I mean is, not only is there plenty of material available, but it is in a style that is both identifiable as Beach Boys and also different from the stereotypical Beach Boys. I think the Ricky/Blondie angle is interesting for promotional purposes. I think the rustic and environmentally conscious angle is interesting for promotional purposes. Conversely, while I realize 15 Big Ones was relatively commercially successful, I'm not sure its out-of-tune oldies style would be as appealing now. (I could easily be wrong, and just talking about my own taste. Plus if it were lumped with Love You and Adult/Child material, obviously there is a different angle there.)
It seems so, so unlikely that we'd get another physical release. (I think we would be hearing about it already, since it would presumably come out next year ... though maybe '23.) But I think of anything left to do, I'd be more interested in that than anything else.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 29, 2021 17:17:37 GMT
Listening to Feel Flows, I couldn't help but let my mind wander to the next era. Not only do I think a CATP/Holland era set would be tremendous, I think it actually might have commercial potential. I think the sound they were working in during that era might have real appeal now, in some ways like the Wild Honey material did with Sunshine Tomorrow or even the current stuff on Feel Flows does.
What I mean is, not only is there plenty of material available, but it is in a style that is both identifiable as Beach Boys and also different from the stereotypical Beach Boys. I think the Ricky/Blondie angle is interesting for promotional purposes. I think the rustic and environmentally conscious angle is interesting for promotional purposes. Conversely, while I realize 15 Big Ones was relatively commercially successful, I'm not sure its out-of-tune oldies style would be as appealing now. (I could easily be wrong, and just talking about my own taste. Plus if it were lumped with Love You and Adult/Child material, obviously there is a different angle there.)
It seems so, so unlikely that we'd get another physical release. (I think we would be hearing about it already, since it would presumably come out next year ... though maybe '23.) But I think of anything left to do, I'd be more interested in that than anything else.
While I agree with you that a CATP/Holland era set would be tremendous, I don't think it would have much commercial appeal. Not enough "goodies". Now, if they extend it a year or two and include the Caribou stuff, it might be more enticing. Are any of these archival/copyright releases selling? I ask because I don't know. I read somewhere recently (and I don't know if it's true) that Summer In Paradise outsold The Smile Sessions. I'm getting the feeling that Beach Boys' diehards are carrying the sales of Feel Flows with some fringe interest from other genres. I'll be curious to see if the interest/sales continue once the hype subsides in a week or two. But, that being said, yeah, I'd love to see a CATP/Holland package in another year or two.
I read my prior posts on this thread and with Feel Flows now a reality, I've been giving future releases a lot of thought. This is what I would propose:
2024 - Leaving This Town: Carl & The Passions/Holland/Caribou sessions
2025 - An expanded, 2CD or 3CD The Beach Boys In Concert 2027 - Brian Is Back: 15 Big Ones/The Beach Boys Love You/Adult Child 2030 - Wings Of Change: M.I.U./L.A. (Light Album)/Keepin' The Summer Alive
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Post by lonelysummer on Aug 30, 2021 6:50:17 GMT
Summer in Paradise vs. The Smile Sessions - we're talking different eras here; the early 90's CD/cassette era (no vinyl) versus the download/return of vinyl era. Hard to compare - but as I recall, TSS did chart in the Billboard 200. SIP never did. I think a CATP/Holland box is very likely in the next year or so; Beach Boys In Concert would make sense, too. After that, we venture into a very hit and miss era of the group, and further into a no physical formats future. Online streaming/downloads sets? Sure. I see no reason why all of these sets won't turn up as copyright protection releases. But a deluxe box set full of great liner notes and photos? I don't see that continuing past 2023 or 24.
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Post by kds on Aug 30, 2021 12:51:34 GMT
While not artistically up there with the early 70s, I'd like to see a catch all collection for the non album tracks that they did later in their career in the 80s and 90s (ie. Sea Cruise, East Meets West, Problem Child, and maybe even the UK version of SIP). I'm not holding my breath as something like that would only appeal to the most obsessive BB fan, and likely wouldn't even get a physical release.
I've said before that they could've easily put these tracks of GV or MiC instead of padding those boxes (especially MiC) was previously released material.
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