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Post by Kapitan on May 7, 2021 13:49:34 GMT
I believe it was in that recent Jardine radio interview I've mentioned a few times now where Al said one of the bigger challenges with getting together is deciding who to include--and who to omit. He says something like "there must be a pool of about 100 guys by now who we can choose from." Part of me thinks, oh, he's exaggerating. But really he isn't exaggerating by all that much when you consider each of the factions' various members and alumni.
There is also the question of nostalgia versus current competence. Considering the surviving Beach Boys' own personal limitations vocally and/or instrumentally, you want non-Beach Boys to be really, really good. Like, good to the level of Darian, Totten, Probyn, Cowsill, and the like, guys who can play (often multiple instruments or styles) and sing really well. No dead weight.
Although--and this just occurred to me--the odds that Jeff Foskett could be involved are probably not great considering his health issues. And while I know some people didn't care for his voice, that's really sad. He was a very important person in both the Beach Boys, then Brian's band, then Mike's band. He's got to be one of the most central non-Beach Boy musicians in the Beach Boys universe of all time.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 7, 2021 14:01:24 GMT
That would be a tough decision regarding Jeff Foskett. While it's not necessary that all of the backing musicians contribute background vocals, their instruments might be considered more essential to the overall sound than, say, Jeff's rhythm guitar playing. Gee, that is a tough one, a sensitive one. Maybe with Nick Walusko's passing, that role, another guitarist, would open up. Honestly, I'm not sure how critical Nicky Wonder's background vocals were to the mix.
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Post by Kapitan on May 7, 2021 14:42:28 GMT
That would be a tough decision regarding Jeff Foskett. While it's not necessary that all of the backing musicians contribute background vocals, their instruments might be considered more essential to the overall sound than, say, Jeff's rhythm guitar playing. Gee, that is a tough one, a sensitive one. Maybe with Nick Walusko's passing, that role, another guitarist, would open up. Honestly, I'm not sure how critical Nicky Wonder's background vocals were to the mix. I was thinking even more whether Jeff is healthy enough to participate at all. I have no idea, just wondering. Standing on a hot stage beneath the lights for some length of time could be a lot to ask of someone dealing with cancer (or cancer treatment), depending on exactly where he is in that process.
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Post by kds on May 7, 2021 15:30:58 GMT
I believe it was in that recent Jardine radio interview I've mentioned a few times now where Al said one of the bigger challenges with getting together is deciding who to include--and who to omit. He says something like "there must be a pool of about 100 guys by now who we can choose from." Part of me thinks, oh, he's exaggerating. But really he isn't exaggerating by all that much when you consider each of the factions' various members and alumni.
There is also the question of nostalgia versus current competence. Considering the surviving Beach Boys' own personal limitations vocally and/or instrumentally, you want non-Beach Boys to be really, really good. Like, good to the level of Darian, Totten, Probyn, Cowsill, and the like, guys who can play (often multiple instruments or styles) and sing really well. No dead weight.
Although--and this just occurred to me--the odds that Jeff Foskett could be involved are probably not great considering his health issues. And while I know some people didn't care for his voice, that's really sad. He was a very important person in both the Beach Boys, then Brian's band, then Mike's band. He's got to be one of the most central non-Beach Boy musicians in the Beach Boys universe of all time.
That would be a shame if Jeff wouldn't be able to participate.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on May 7, 2021 16:39:47 GMT
For various reasons, we pretty much know three people on the 2012 tour won't be on this one - the aforementioned Walusko and Foskett, as well as Bennett. I'd have to imagine Matt Jardine would be a part of C60. Brian Eichenbeger seems like a likely choice from Mike's group. I'd also imagine Mike would want Christian to be a part of it as well.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 7, 2021 17:51:25 GMT
For various reasons, we pretty much know three people on the 2012 tour won't be on this one - the aforementioned Walusko and Foskett, as well as Bennett. I'd have to imagine Matt Jardine would be a part of C60. Brian Eichenbeger seems like a likely choice from Mike's group. I'd also imagine Mike would want Christian to be a part of it as well. I don't think we can completely write off Jeff Foskett. As The Kapitan alluded to above, we don't know his physical condition, right now or a year from now. I would think they'd do everything possible to involve him in some capacity.
Yeah, I guess Matt Jardine would be asked to supply the main "high voice", but, then, would Brian Eichenberger be necessary? Brian could play bass AND provide high background vocals which is a plus. Bob Lizik could not do that.
I don't think Eichenberger or Christian Love are givens by any means.
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Post by kds on May 7, 2021 17:59:41 GMT
I'd think Darian, Paul Von Mertens, Totten, and Cowsill would be givens. Outside of them, I'm not certain
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Post by Kapitan on May 7, 2021 18:08:09 GMT
The C50 band--having been negotiated then--seems like the most reasonable starting place. So let's go that route. I listed a few seemingly reasonable options below, with the possible replacements in brackets after people we either can safely assume won't be there, or people who may be shifted around a little to cover for people who certainly won't be there.
Beach Boys principals
Brian Wilson - visual of big white piano, vocals, keyboards
Mike Love - vocals, emcee
Al Jardine - vocals, guitar
Bruce Johnston - vocals, keyboards
David Marks - guitar, vocals
Band Scott Bennett - keyboards, vibes/marimba, vocals [Billy Hinsche, Gary Griffin, Debbie Shair]
Nelson Bragg - percussion, vocals [Mike D'Amico]
John Cowsill - drums, vocals
Mike D'Amico - bass, vocals [Brian Eichenberger]
Jeff Foskett - guitar, vocals [Matt Jardine]
Probyn Gregory - guitars, horns, vocals Paul Mertens - woodwinds
Darian Sahanaja - keyboards, vibes/marimba, vocals Scott Totten - guitar, vocals Nick Walusko - guitar, vocals [Christian Love, Rob Bonfiglio]
[Blondie Chaplin, Ricky Fataar]
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Post by kds on May 7, 2021 18:53:31 GMT
Somewhat related, tickets for the Genesis US Tour went on sale today. The cheapest ticket in DC was $185 (which would probably be close to $220 with fees).
If C60 does turn into a tour, I really hope they don't go that route. Compared some of their peers, and even far younger bands, The Beach Boys, and their various offshoots, has been one of the better bargains on the concert market. The Beach Boys do some silly things, but the one thing you can say is that they really haven't price gouged their fans. I hope they don't use this (likely) last reunion as an opportunity to do so.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 7, 2021 22:34:08 GMT
The C50 band--having been negotiated then--seems like the most reasonable starting place. So let's go that route. I listed a few seemingly reasonable options below, with the possible replacements in brackets after people we either can safely assume won't be there, or people who may be shifted around a little to cover for people who certainly won't be there.
Beach Boys principals
Brian Wilson - visual of big white piano, vocals, keyboards
Mike Love - vocals, emcee
Al Jardine - vocals, guitar
Bruce Johnston - vocals, keyboards
David Marks - guitar, vocals
Band Scott Bennett - keyboards, vibes/marimba, vocals [Billy Hinsche, Gary Griffin, Debbie Shair]
Nelson Bragg - percussion, vocals [Mike D'Amico]
John Cowsill - drums, vocals
Mike D'Amico - bass, vocals [Brian Eichenberger]
Jeff Foskett - guitar, vocals [Matt Jardine]
Probyn Gregory - guitars, horns, vocals Paul Mertens - woodwinds
Darian Sahanaja - keyboards, vibes/marimba, vocals Scott Totten - guitar, vocals Nick Walusko - guitar, vocals [Christian Love, Rob Bonfiglio]
[Blondie Chaplin, Ricky Fataar]
After NOT participating in the 50th Anniversary in 2012, Blondie Chaplin could play a key role in the 60th. At the very least he is a wild card.
First, Blondie could be utilized as I suggested above, as a Featured Guest who comes out midway during the show and rocks the place with a mini-set of two or three songs. He could then remain on stage with the band for the remainder of the show.
Looking at the 2012 lineup above and who is not going to be in the next one, Blondie could simply be inserted into Nick Walusko's old slot, providing guitar and vocals. However, that would appear awkward having Blondie as a member of the backing band and not part of the "real" Beach Boys, including David Marks who also left the group.
Finally, as has been suggested, Blondie could simply be included as one of THE Beach Boys and perform the entire concert in the front line with Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, and David. Of course, that would then make Ricky Fataar look more conspicuous in his absence.
Paging Irving Azoff!
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on May 9, 2021 23:21:37 GMT
For various reasons, we pretty much know three people on the 2012 tour won't be on this one - the aforementioned Walusko and Foskett, as well as Bennett. I'd have to imagine Matt Jardine would be a part of C60. Brian Eichenbeger seems like a likely choice from Mike's group. I'd also imagine Mike would want Christian to be a part of it as well. I don't think we can completely write off Jeff Foskett. As The Kapitan alluded to above, we don't know his physical condition, right now or a year from now. I would think they'd do everything possible to involve him in some capacity. Yeah, I guess Matt Jardine would be asked to supply the main "high voice", but, then, would Brian Eichenberger be necessary? Brian could play bass AND provide high background vocals which is a plus. Bob Lizik could not do that. I don't think Eichenberger or Christian Love are givens by any means.
I thought I read an interview with Jeff where he basically said he can't sing anymore.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 10, 2021 2:05:16 GMT
I don't think we can completely write off Jeff Foskett. As The Kapitan alluded to above, we don't know his physical condition, right now or a year from now. I would think they'd do everything possible to involve him in some capacity. Yeah, I guess Matt Jardine would be asked to supply the main "high voice", but, then, would Brian Eichenberger be necessary? Brian could play bass AND provide high background vocals which is a plus. Bob Lizik could not do that. I don't think Eichenberger or Christian Love are givens by any means.
I thought I read an interview with Jeff where he basically said he can't sing anymore. Yes, I read that the cancer and treatments affected his vocals chord(s), and if you've seen/heard any subsequent interviews with him, his voice does not sound good. However, while undergoing treatment, Jeff did perform with Mike Love's Beach Boys, basically just playing guitar while not providing any vocals (see video below). As I posted above, if Jeff is physically able to appear on stage for the allotted time (two and a half hours?), maybe he could be recruited to simply play guitar, keeping in mind that several of the other backing musicians could provide backing vocals, making it not necessary for Jeff to do so. Right now, I would think his health and recovery is the main priority.
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Post by Kapitan on May 19, 2021 21:55:56 GMT
Again from that same ESQ interview I referenced in the Feels Flow thread:
New album? I didn't--and still am not sure I do--expect that. But a few shows, a tribute show...nothing surprising there.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 19, 2021 22:12:24 GMT
Again from that same ESQ interview I referenced in the Feels Flow thread:
New album? I didn't--and still am not sure I do--expect that. But a few shows, a tribute show...nothing surprising there.
Not that I put much stock in things that Al says, but he could've said that there's NO WAY there'll be a new Beach Boys' album. It's amazing how quickly...things...can come together, and "assembling" a new album could be one of them. At least we now know of one potential new track! Let's see, what rhymes with "Islands In The Sun"? How about run or none or won, or, um, fun?
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Post by Kapitan on May 19, 2021 22:26:43 GMT
A new song from Al! Which means, of course... Hey, it's less than 25 years old, which for Al's work counts as current.
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