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Post by kds on Jul 28, 2020 19:06:30 GMT
According to A. Doe, Landlocked was going to consist of: Loop De Loop, Susie Cincinnati, San Miguel, HELP Is On The Way, Take A Load Off Your Feet, Carnival (aka Over The Waves), I Just Got My Pay, Good Time, Big Sur, Lady, When Girls Get Together, Lookin' At Tomorrow, and 'Til I Die.
I'll be shocked if we don't get the alternate "Big Sur". That's never been officially released, right? We'll get a bump in sound quality, at least. I don't think so. Was Carnival / Over the Waves released?
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 28, 2020 19:08:06 GMT
Hasn't it!? I was thinking it was on MiC or something ... but maybe I'm hallucinating. Obviously it's been out forever, but it would be nice to get it out there in good quality.
I know what I was thinking: Back Home (1970), that's what was on MiC. Which, of course, WOULD have been a good candidate had it not been on MiC.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 28, 2020 19:20:36 GMT
Was Carnival / Over the Waves released? I had forgotten about this, too. Fantastic cover art! I'm pretty sure it'll be on the set. They just needed to extend the copyright.
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Post by kds on Jul 28, 2020 19:23:33 GMT
Was Carnival / Over the Waves released? I had forgotten about this, too. Fantastic cover art! I'm pretty sure it'll be on the set. They just needed to extend the copyright. I'd forgotten about that too.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 29, 2020 17:21:38 GMT
I don't plan on continually quoting Howie, but this needs to be read by all fans interested in the box set.
From today:
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 29, 2020 17:24:47 GMT
If Edelson is, in his words, the official BRI consultant, then he would or SHOULD know why it is currently not scheduled for release.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:19 GMT
If it's done, packaged, the whole thing, what possible motivation could there be from the label not to release it? I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, but it does seem like the group is holding this up. And, I can't think of a good reason why.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 29, 2020 17:27:52 GMT
If Edelson is, in his words, the official BRI consultant, then he would or SHOULD know why it is currently not scheduled for release. I'm sure he does, then. Doesn't mean it's appropriate for him to tell all of us. His sudden appearance on SSMB does make it seem like he's trying to rally support against whoever or whatever is holding it up. Edit: Which is utterly absurd, IMO. But, this is the world in which we live.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 29, 2020 17:30:56 GMT
Wouldn't the most likely reason for the holdup be the obvious cause of so many other holdups? The pandemic has been the excuse for dozens of delayed albums, to say nothing of other projects. Whether that's all of it, part of it, or none of it, I wouldn't know. But it's a pretty reasonable starting point.
That said, if it is both a commercially viable box set and a copyright release a la Sunshine Tomorrow, obviously their window for delay is limited by the calendar.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 29, 2020 17:42:04 GMT
The calendar/copyright angle will be revealing. Obviously, they've shot much higher than a digital release, so we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. But, man, these posts by Howie are disheartening. The more he posts, the less it resembles your typical 'hype' posts.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 29, 2020 17:44:21 GMT
Honestly the first thing I thought was that it's not going to live up to that hype. The second thing I thought wasn't very nice and so I won't post it.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 29, 2020 17:51:01 GMT
I probably agree with you on both counts, and like I said I'm hesitant to entertain conspiracy theories, but we've got more than a starting point to work with. Now we've got someone directly involved commenting and raising concerns. That's all we've got, for now. I'm looking forward to the announcement of a release date. That will put this to rest. We were wondering if we'd pay for a 5 disc box set - pay or not, I want to hear this stuff!
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 29, 2020 18:53:00 GMT
I have to say, if there really is no set release date, that worries me more than the date having been postponed. Postponed, but on the calendar, is much more palatable.
On the other hand, it seems inevitable that it will come out at this point...sometime or other. You don't spend whatever they must have spent in letting Mssrs. Boyd and Linett plus whatever other staff doing the music, then get Mr. Edelson to interview all of the principals, and presumably get the package itself designed, etc., and then scrap it. At least I hope you don't. (I know the Beach Boys might ... but the record label!?)
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Post by bellbottoms on Jul 29, 2020 19:19:19 GMT
Reading between the lines of Howie's update, something that is sticking in my craw is the idea that this box set has the potential to change the Beach Boys narrative and yet there are obstacles preventing its release. Perhaps there are parties who realize the game-changing nature of the set, and don't want to upset the apple cart. Stick with the current narrative, it's more comfortable, it's more lucrative overall than what this one box set would generate, it's what they want the legacy to be based on... or something.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 29, 2020 19:34:06 GMT
I personally doubt there's game-changing potential here for the greater public. What would be the game-changer?
1) Introducing the larger public or a new generation to a part of the catalogue fans consider underappreciated. This is a legitimate possibility, though it begs the question of what percentage of the larger public or new generation outside of existing Beach Boys fans will buy or even hear any of this. Will the marketing be so broad as to really push it onto some new segment? Seems unlikely.
2) Introducing new music. Again, while we know this period produced a lot of unreleased and sometimes very good music, we also have had at least an album's worth dribble out on subsequent releases or box sets over the years. While this is the Beach Boys, I highly doubt there are many, if any, great unreleased songs here.
3) Introducing new mixes or outtakes to known music that will change even fans' opinions dramatically. Highly doubtful.
What else could there be? Where is the game-changer?
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