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Post by kds on Jul 29, 2020 19:42:20 GMT
I'm also really skeptical that this release could forever change the public's perception of The Beach Boys. That seems like a highly optimistic view, no offense to Mr. Edelson. There has been plenty of material from that era included on various comps and documentaries over the years. Several of the songs have been included in setlists by the various touring bands. Even Feel Flows made it onto the Almost Famous soundtrack. But, that doesn't seem to be enough to really shine a light on that 1969-71 era of BB to casual fans or the public at large.
Also, to be interested in a release of this nature, you're probably already a fan of that era of the band.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jul 29, 2020 19:48:59 GMT
I personally doubt there's game-changing potential here for the greater public. What would be the game-changer? 1) Introducing the larger public or a new generation to a part of the catalogue fans consider underappreciated. This is a legitimate possibility, though it begs the question of what percentage of the larger public or new generation outside of existing Beach Boys fans will buy or even hear any of this. Will the marketing be so broad as to really push it onto some new segment? Seems unlikely. 2) Introducing new music. Again, while we know this period produced a lot of unreleased and sometimes very good music, we also have had at least an album's worth dribble out on subsequent releases or box sets over the years. While this is the Beach Boys, I highly doubt there are many, if any, great unreleased songs here.
3) Introducing new mixes or outtakes to known music that will change even fans' opinions dramatically. Highly doubtful. What else could there be? Where is the game-changer? Agreed. Unless there's some great music that legitimately hasn't been heard (as in not booted), I don't see there being any game changing stuff among the general public.
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Post by bellbottoms on Jul 29, 2020 19:54:59 GMT
I’m not saying I personally think it’s going to be gamechanging. I have nothing to support that. I'm just accepting Mr. Edelson's claim at face value.
What is the reason behind hyping up something we can't have? It sounds as if he's genuinely disappointed that the project has perhaps reached its end, and not just because he's worked on it for so long. By talking about it and saying only what he is able to say, he’s fanning the fan flames and keeping our attention on it. Maybe he thinks that there is a possibility that the fans can help jog the obstacle loose.
I have a hard time believing his goal would be to big-up something that isn't that big of a deal, because now we’ll never have it and it becomes some kind of legend, like Smile.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 29, 2020 20:06:45 GMT
I'm sure it has been a passion project for him, and passion projects make people, well, passionate! He is knowledgeable, plugged-in, and surely wants the fruits of his love/labor out there.
But really, if the Smile box and then MiC and then even Sunshine Tomorrow didn't shift opinion in a major way, I'm not sure why this would. Especially the BWPS/Smile doc/Smile box stuff: that was one of the most hyped "great lost albums" of all time, and while the material certainly got its share of acclaim from 2004-2012 or whatever, the world kept spinning.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 30, 2020 1:18:24 GMT
I'm not ready to write this thing off yet, but I am confused about something. While this Feel Flows boxed set should've come out in the summer, wasn't it mentioned in ESQ or by Mark Linett or by somebody that it was planned for a fall release? Now, August is already here, but we still have a good three months before we're really into fall.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 30, 2020 2:49:16 GMT
I'm not ready to write this thing off yet, but I am confused about something. While this Feel Flows boxed set should've come out in the summer, wasn't it mentioned in ESQ or by Mark Linett or by somebody that it was planned for a fall release? Now, August is already here, but we still have a good three months before we're really into fall. I'm not ready to write it off either, but I do think it's a worrying development. That's all. And, yes, Mark predicted a fall release back in February and I believe Bruce predicted a summer release. I just re-read a post from jiggy22 at EHF. I had forgotten all about it, but he stated back in late April that the set was held up due to "internal conflicts". Again, considering that the set is supposedly done, I think things will work out. But, who knows? Not us.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jul 30, 2020 3:21:39 GMT
If *someone* is holding it up, I don't understand what he/she would have to gain. Especially if it has been worked on for the past couple years. Obviously it was approved at one point, why change at the last minute?
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 30, 2020 12:14:05 GMT
That's why I still think the most likely is the most obvious reason: pandemic complications. Many other albums have been or are still delayed. There's nothing conspiratorial required.
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Post by kds on Jul 30, 2020 12:16:23 GMT
That's why I still think the most likely is the most obvious reason: pandemic complications. Many other albums have been or are still delayed. There's nothing conspiratorial required. That makes the most sense.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 30, 2020 12:28:53 GMT
Less fun than some juicy band-member power struggles, but it just seems the most likely.
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Post by kds on Jul 30, 2020 12:33:45 GMT
Less fun than some juicy band-member power struggles, but it just seems the most likely. More likely than Mike holding it back because it'll forever change the perception of The Beach Boys and interfere with the fun in the sun image he's manufactured which would hurt the sales of 12 MORE Sides of Summer?
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Post by B.E. on Jul 30, 2020 12:45:07 GMT
Sense? What happened to #BeachBoysLogic? I'm not a fan fixated on Mike Love. Far, far from it. It's people like Jon Stebbins posting things like this that worries me a little. He doesn't have a history of Mike-bashing and conspiracy theories, does he? (Honest question.)
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Post by kds on Jul 30, 2020 12:47:38 GMT
Granted, The Beach Boys have definitely earned a reputation over the past five decades that would warrant such a response, but I'm not ready to jump off the cliff just yet.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 30, 2020 13:09:07 GMT
Sense? What happened to #BeachBoysLogic? I'm not a fan fixated on Mike Love. Far, far from it. It's people like Jon Stebbins posting things like this that worries me a little. He doesn't have a history of Mike-bashing and conspiracy theories, does he? (Honest question.) OK, if this is true, then obviously it means I'm wrong with my guess. And no, Stebbins does not have a history of bashing anyone, to my knowledge. He has always seemed very even-keeled to me. So, if it really is the band members doing their thing yet again, well, that's a shame. Pathetic, too.
I do wonder what the arguments are about. If everything is DONE-done, it's a little late to be arguing about the contents or the packaging or something like that. Is it the marketing? The revenue sharing? Or is it actually laughably-too-late debate over already finalized contents?
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 30, 2020 13:10:07 GMT
The good news is, as a finished product that some sizable group of people (well known for their affinity for bootlegs) wants, it's bound to be out there at some point anyway. But it would be nice for everyone involved if it were out there in legitimate release.
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