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Post by Kapitan on Jan 1, 2024 16:40:33 GMT
I seem to recall reading somewhere or other that Billy was either asked, or some people in the band wanted to ask him, to become a full member. I can't recall when that might've been, though. I want to say either around 70ish or closer to this, 77ish. But I wouldn't want to pretend to remember specifically.
I thought that younger woman with Audree was Annie, but I'm very bad with the assorted spouses and family and friends. I never really paid that much attention to them.
As for that little message to Brian, to me it comes across just like the whole Brian is Back campaign, which is patronizing/condescending. Like he's a freak show and they're just making a point of their love and support, and this album is the crappy drawing your toddler drew but you put on the fridge anyway.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 1, 2024 16:44:13 GMT
And that...message...to Brian from the guys - I always thought it didn't come off quite the right way. Instead of supporting Brian and praising his new music, it was almost as if they were saying "We don't really like this new stuff. It's not what we wanted. It'll probably bomb. But, we love you anyway..." Whoa, I don't get that vibe at all. Considering what we know about Brian's psyche going back to at least mid '68 (if not Smile), I think it's very sincere. They were encouraging him and thanking him for "coming back" and sharing his music with them and the world again. It's not the sort of thing that is normally communicated publicly (more like at an intervention), but they were trying to save him. I can imagine the message probably seemed over-the-top to fans at the time, but we know how unwell Brian was. It's true that they didn't praise the music itself, but that seems kind of beside the point to me.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 1, 2024 17:29:35 GMT
And that...message...to Brian from the guys - I always thought it didn't come off quite the right way. Instead of supporting Brian and praising his new music, it was almost as if they were saying "We don't really like this new stuff. It's not what we wanted. It'll probably bomb. But, we love you anyway..." Whoa, I don't get that vibe at all. Considering what we know about Brian's psyche going back to at least mid '68 (if not Smile), I think it's very sincere. They were encouraging him and thanking him for "coming back" and sharing his music with them and the world again. It's not the sort of thing that is normally communicated publicly (more like at an intervention), but they were trying to save him. I can imagine the message probably seemed over-the-top to fans at the time, but we know how unwell Brian was. It's true that they didn't praise the music itself, but that seems kind of beside the point to me. For me, it seemed over-the-top then, and it seems over-the-top now. In 1977 I was a newbie, didn't know a lot but was getting there. I scarfed up anything I could read or see. And, I remember that, even though Brian Wilson was still a sympathetic figure with great (genius) expectations, some criticism was starting to surface, some doubt was creeping in. 15 Big Ones and Love You prompted a lot of questions about Brian and the band. I think it was a People magazine article where Dennis made some negative comments and Al (?) talked about sneaking back into the studio to re-record some things. I also recall some opinions that Brian didn't have the freedom to create the music he wanted to create (though much of that surfaced later with David Leaf's book). Anyway, I thought with that Love You message to Brian, the guys were more trying to counter or address the press and less being sincere. Oh, I didn't question that the guys, to some extent, still believed in Brian's abilities, and to a large extent, still loved him. But the fact that they had to publicly proclaim their support rubbed me the wrong way, or as you say, was over the top. Couldn't that message that be done more effectively behind closed doors? It did make me wonder how much the guys really believed in or wanted that Love You music, that type of production, at that time. I also wondered how Brian viewed it. Is that the kind of attention he needed? Was he embarrassed by it or self-conscious? I know, a lot of amateur psychology here.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 1, 2024 17:54:21 GMT
Whoa, I don't get that vibe at all. Considering what we know about Brian's psyche going back to at least mid '68 (if not Smile), I think it's very sincere. They were encouraging him and thanking him for "coming back" and sharing his music with them and the world again. It's not the sort of thing that is normally communicated publicly (more like at an intervention), but they were trying to save him. I can imagine the message probably seemed over-the-top to fans at the time, but we know how unwell Brian was. It's true that they didn't praise the music itself, but that seems kind of beside the point to me. For me, it seemed over-the-top then, and it seems over-the-top now. In 1977 I was a newbie, didn't know a lot but was getting there. I scarfed up anything I could read or see. And, I remember that, even though Brian Wilson was still a sympathetic figure with great (genius) expectations, some criticism was starting to surface, some doubt was creeping in. 15 Big Ones and Love You prompted a lot of questions about Brian and the band. I think it was a People magazine article where Dennis made some negative comments and Al (?) talked about sneaking back into the studio to re-record some things. I also recall some opinions that Brian didn't have the freedom to create the music he wanted to create (though much of that surfaced later with David Leaf's book). Anyway, I thought with that Love You message to Brian, the guys were more trying to counter or address the press and less being sincere. Oh, I didn't question that the guys, to some extent, still believed in Brian's abilities, and to a large extent, still loved him. But the fact that they had to publicly proclaim their support rubbed me the wrong way, or as you say, was over the top. Couldn't that message that be done more effectively behind closed doors? It did make me wonder how much the guys really believed in or wanted that Love You music, that type of production, at that time. I also wondered how Brian viewed it. Is that the kind of attention he needed? Was he embarrassed by it or self-conscious? I know, a lot of amateur psychology here. I'm guessing if you removed a couple of considerations, it was 1 in favor, 4 against. Consideration 1: Carl and Dennis in particular would be likely to support Brian regardless of the substance. Consideration 2: Everybody knew "Written and Produced by Brian Wilson" was extremely important to label, public, etc., and so were willing to more or less go down with the ship (and speculating even more, with the idea of "and once it sinks, we'll have a better argument to wrest control back and do something sane"). Once those were factored in ... we get Love You.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 8, 2024 13:12:17 GMT
This photo was taken from Wikipedia under The Beach Boys Today! The caption reads: The Beach Boys backstage at the Philadelphia Convention Hall, February 1965. Assuming the date is correct, I immediately wondered...where was Glen Campbell? It does make me think that Brian's leaving the touring band wasn't strictly cut-and-dry, meaning that he set a definite date (very late December, maybe early January) and said "That's it. I'm out. Get a replacement. Now." No more live shows for Wilson.
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2024 6:53:32 GMT
This photo was taken from Wikipedia under The Beach Boys Today! The caption reads: The Beach Boys backstage at the Philadelphia Convention Hall, February 1965. Assuming the date is correct, I immediately wondered...where was Glen Campbell? It does make me think that Brian's leaving the touring band wasn't strictly cut-and-dry, meaning that he set a definite date (very late December, maybe early January) and said "That's it. I'm out. Get a replacement. Now." No more live shows for Wilson.
Shows & sessions 1965Footnote #1.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 19, 2024 1:30:47 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 20, 2024 15:21:53 GMT
This has always been one of my favorite Beach Boys' photos. I love off-stage candid shots of the guys; there aren't enough. I also find this photo to be incredibly frustrating. Why? Just look at Brian. This appears to be 1979. Brian was trim, great hair, and wearing his sporty Adidas shirt and pants. He also looked cool with the beard and shades. He was the only one in the photo wearing them. On the surface, just looking at Brian, this...appears...to be the Brian Wilson we were patiently waiting for. Gone was Dr. Landy. Gone was the weight. Gone was the gruff, raspy voice. Gone was the "Brian Is Back" campaign. He was touring again, even playing the occasional bass. The group recently signed a new contract with a new company. Hopefully, Brian and the group learned from their mistakes, especially the recent ones. What I'm trying to say is, just looking at this guy, and knowing that he was still making music - how could this man not be creating timeless, other-worldly music again? I used to say to myself, "How can he not just walk over to the piano and write something great?" I learned a valuable lesson. Looks aren't everything. And, obviously I didn't know what was going on...inside.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 26, 2024 21:16:12 GMT
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Post by jk on Jan 26, 2024 21:59:56 GMT
Cool! That's Nik Venet next to Dennis, right?
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 26, 2024 23:21:50 GMT
Cool! That's Nik Venet next to Dennis, right? Yep, that's Nick Venet (the carnival barker), and Andrea Carlo (the girlfriend) - August 5, 1962.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Feb 24, 2024 15:18:17 GMT
The Many Moods Of Murry Wilson. I actually own this album. Bought it at a record show about 35 years ago. Does anybody else have it? Ever listened to it? I wonder how many rock & rollers had parents who actually released an album?
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Post by B.E. on Feb 24, 2024 15:47:08 GMT
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 24, 2024 22:28:00 GMT
Well, there was Ozzie Nelson, but of course he had been a bandleader long before his younger son ever thought of becoming a singer. Funny, though, after Ricky became a popular teen singer, Ozzie and Harriet made an album of their own with "the teen sound". I've seen it a few times, but haven't picked it up. Yet.
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Post by jk on Feb 25, 2024 0:04:38 GMT
The Many Moods Of Murry Wilson. I actually own this album. Bought it at a record show about 35 years ago. Does anybody else have it? Ever listened to it? I wonder how many rock & rollers had parents who actually released an album? I own it on vinyl, at great financial loss. And yes, I've listened to it, or rather half of it. You may not believe this but on its first journey to my record player I became embroiled in an argument with a large potted plant and gave side one a scratch that rendered it unplayable. Happily my favourite track, Rick Henn's magical "Islands In The Sky", is on side two: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Many_Moods_of_Murry_Wilson
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