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Post by Kapitan on Nov 3, 2023 23:09:39 GMT
jk (and anyone, really), I saw that online music personality/educator (and former artist and producer) Rick Beato did a short video on the new Beatles single, and early on in the video he demonstrates how the AI extraction technology actually works. You might find it interesting. That section is all handled within the first three minutes of the video, so it isn't a major commitment. That's quite a revelation! I can understand just how useful that technology could be. And as you pointed out, nothing is being faked. Thanks for that, Cap'n. Unless one looks at it a different way, in which case, everything is being faked!
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 4, 2023 1:58:02 GMT
The "new" song is alright, but it doesn't have the impact that the first reunion record did. I am hoping they can use Al to improve John's vocals on Free As a Bird and especially Real Love. The latter really suffered due to it being a Lennon lead vocal all the way through. Free As A Bird was less problematic, because Paul and George had their vocal moments, too. I liked how they completed an unfinished song that time out. This time, they in fact left out a middle section that I guess they didn't like, or couldn't be bothered to complete. The video for the new song is amazing - but also worrysome. If we can show 2023 Paul and Ringo dancing and playing with 1967 John and George, this could catch on. Hey, let's show Brian, Mike, Bruce, Al and David jamming with 1975 Carl and Dennis.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 4, 2023 17:10:22 GMT
As someone who didn't even experience the Threatles reunion, it's pretty exciting to have a new Beatles single. I didn't think I'd ever be able to say that. I also haven't watched or listened to whatever snippets are out there. I'm not expecting a ton from the song, but still really looking forward to it, and of course interested to see what kind of streaming numbers it does. The official audio on YouTube had 36k views when I finished listening about 3 minutes ago. It now has 51k. I'll be curious what it is in about 45 minutes, which will be its first hour. Now the official audio on YouTube has 6.7 million views and the official video on YouTube (released a day later) has 12 million. Spotify is at 2.1 million streams.
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Post by jk on Nov 4, 2023 20:12:14 GMT
jk (and anyone, really), I saw that online music personality/educator (and former artist and producer) Rick Beato did a short video on the new Beatles single, and early on in the video he demonstrates how the AI extraction technology actually works. You might find it interesting. That section is all handled within the first three minutes of the video, so it isn't a major commitment. That's quite a revelation! I can understand just how useful that technology could be. And as you pointed out, nothing is being faked. Thanks for that, Cap'n. In the past, if a track was absolutely spot-on until someone goofed up, the session was stopped and the track abandoned. Now, AI extraction technology means you can push on with your track and later isolate the offending part and overdub a new one.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 4, 2023 20:20:46 GMT
That's quite a revelation! I can understand just how useful that technology could be. And as you pointed out, nothing is being faked. Thanks for that, Cap'n. In the past, if a track was absolutely spot-on until someone goofed up, the session was stopped and the track abandoned. Now, AI extraction technology means you can push on with your track and later isolate the offending part and overdub a new one. True, but not really relevant to the vast majority of modern pop and rock recording. The vast, vast majority of recordings don't involve multiple people or multiple instruments simultaneously. So I think it's more relevant by far to working with older multitracks and masters than it will be for modern recording, which is almost always single instruments (and so complete isolation) at a time anyway. One of the big gripes of most older artists and studio musicians...
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 5, 2023 6:06:38 GMT
In the past, if a track was absolutely spot-on until someone goofed up, the session was stopped and the track abandoned. Now, AI extraction technology means you can push on with your track and later isolate the offending part and overdub a new one. True, but not really relevant to the vast majority of modern pop and rock recording. The vast, vast majority of recordings don't involve multiple people or multiple instruments simultaneously. So I think it's more relevant by far to working with older multitracks and masters than it will be for modern recording, which is almost always single instruments (and so complete isolation) at a time anyway. One of the big gripes of most older artists and studio musicians... Well, it's no big deal to record a vocal, keep most of it, but go back and re-record one line, or a verse. I do that all the time.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 5, 2023 12:13:16 GMT
True, but not really relevant to the vast majority of modern pop and rock recording. The vast, vast majority of recordings don't involve multiple people or multiple instruments simultaneously. So I think it's more relevant by far to working with older multitracks and masters than it will be for modern recording, which is almost always single instruments (and so complete isolation) at a time anyway. One of the big gripes of most older artists and studio musicians... Well, it's no big deal to record a vocal, keep most of it, but go back and re-record one line, or a verse. I do that all the time. Not only no big deal, but the common practice for decades: "punching in." But again, that doesn't require any of the new extraction and isn't done with other instruments. It's already isolated, per the discussion above, which is what makes the punching in possible without extraction.
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Post by B.E. on Nov 6, 2023 18:31:32 GMT
I might be ready to read and comment later today. It was too soon over the weekend. Still processing…
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 8, 2023 15:39:46 GMT
YouTube personality Giggens, whom you might know from his Beach Boys-related videos, released a review of the new "Now and Then" single. You can watch it below, but in short, I think he's got an impression I largely share: there's plenty to nitpick, but in the end, it's great having another "new" Beatles single. The good of that outweighs the critiques.
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Post by kds on Nov 8, 2023 21:00:21 GMT
Sea of Tranquility and The Contrarians were also generally positive about Now and Then.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 9, 2023 2:52:33 GMT
I'm getting jaded and cynical in my old age. I had a very emotional reaction to Free As A Bird in 1995. The video for that song might be my all time favorite music video. It was a feast for a lifelong Beatles fan with all those references to other Beatles songs. Real Love was pretty good, but I already knew that song from the movie Imagine: John Lennon. Now and Then just feels like an average song they tried to elevate with Al. It's alright, but the video makes me cringe, with 80 year old Paul and Ringo standing side by side with 20-something George and John. Big difference between having three Beatles working on a track together, versus just two. But let's have the Beach Boys add backing vocals to Carl's "I Wish For You" or "Like a Brother".
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 9, 2023 11:53:39 GMT
I'm getting jaded and cynical in my old age. I had a very emotional reaction to Free As A Bird in 1995. Funny, I'm exactly the opposite. You couldn't have been more cynical or jaded than I was in 1995, including about the Anthology stuff. I watched it all, don't get me wrong. But I was all about finding fault with it. With "Now and Then," while I think it's a mediocre song, I'm warmer to it all.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 10, 2023 3:27:06 GMT
I'm getting jaded and cynical in my old age. I had a very emotional reaction to Free As A Bird in 1995. Funny, I'm exactly the opposite. You couldn't have been more cynical or jaded than I was in 1995, including about the Anthology stuff. I watched it all, don't get me wrong. But I was all about finding fault with it. With "Now and Then," while I think it's a mediocre song, I'm warmer to it all. It helped that in 1995, i had a great girlfriend to share it all with - she was even more Beatles obsessive than I was.
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Post by kds on Nov 10, 2023 17:49:44 GMT
I can't say I had an emotional reaction to the 1995 videos. Though, I do think the Free As a Bird video is absolutely brilliant. But, I was 15, and wasn't all in on The Beatles yet.
But, now that the Now and Then video has been up for a week, and I assume everyone here has watched it, I was surprised how emotional I got. Especially, at the end, when they bowed, and faded away.
Why? I know this is the "last song" but for all intents and purposes, The Beatles have been over for 53 years. Yet, here I am. A guy who was a mere three months old when Lennon was killed. Getting all emotional.
In the words of Mike Love, I guess I'm just a sentimental sap.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 15, 2023 18:51:38 GMT
Here's a review in NYT of a new biography on the Beatles' longtime road manager/assistant Mal Evans based partly on notes and a manuscript he had in progress for a book on his time with the group. I had no idea how, or how early, he died! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal_Evans
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