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Post by Kapitan on Jan 18, 2024 14:23:42 GMT
Honestly? No, I don't wonder--at least not that much. Half of all marriages end in divorce, and from what I see online ( from a divorce law firm's website), that percentage goes up with subsequent marriages: 40% of first marriages, 60% of second marriages, and 73% of third marriages. So that just puts Brian and Melinda among the 6-in-10 majority for people in Brian's situation. (I don't believe Melinda had been married before.) And considering Brian's obvious problems, I'd actually guess the odds of separation or divorce would have been higher. He can't possibly be easy to deal with, genius and cash-cow or not. Again, I don't want to appear...gossipy, I'm just a diehard fan. My curiosity isn't just limited to Brian asking for a separation - but also the reason why. If it was a personal thing thing, I don't need to know. And, forget about the recent Carnie thing for a second. Again, as a fan of Brian the artist/musician/Beach Boy, I can't help but wonder what was going on. As it pertained to The Beach Boys, we wanted to know the details of Brian's relationship with his father, with Mike Love, with his brothers, with Marilyn, with Van Dyke Parks, with his new "best friends", with Dr. Landy, and on and on. Is Melinda - as it pertains to Brian's career - off limits? No, I don't think she's off limits at all. It's just that I don't think the separation that was at least raised at some point is all that interesting. From that mention, we don't know whether it was a serious thing Brian had been considering for months and months, whether they'd been fighting constantly, etc., or whether Brian just had an off day and said something rash that affected her. With so little information, there is too much room for speculation to really have an opinion. (And it being a marriage, they don't owe us any more detail.) It is worth saying that Carnie's history of negativity toward Melinda (and so, possibly by extension, criticisms of the family dynamic) goes back quite a ways. Check out Melinda's wiki page, in which a 1998 Uncut story is cited as referencing Carnie calling her "Melandy," presumably for her apparently controling nature. So that relationship has been complicated, to say the least, for a long time.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 18, 2024 19:58:24 GMT
But a lot of people LOVE Melinda, so what do I know? Do they really? I feel like I read more about these people who love Melinda than I do from people who love Melinda. The only people I recall talking that way regularly are those from one of the previous boards who freaked out at any criticism of Brian, his music, his career, etc. (Well, and the people who made Love & Mercy. They definitely deified her.) Otherwise I think it seems she's as much fair game as anyone else. I think she's probably been overall very good for Brian's personal happiness--at least as far as we know--and has been with him through a surprisingly productive and successful career. Is it quite the career I'd have wanted him to have? No, but I'm not his wife OR his manager, I'm just some schmuck. Just don't question anything she's done over on the SS board.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 18, 2024 20:03:01 GMT
Honestly? No, I don't wonder--at least not that much. Half of all marriages end in divorce, and from what I see online ( from a divorce law firm's website), that percentage goes up with subsequent marriages: 40% of first marriages, 60% of second marriages, and 73% of third marriages. So that just puts Brian and Melinda among the 6-in-10 majority for people in Brian's situation. (I don't believe Melinda had been married before.) And considering Brian's obvious problems, I'd actually guess the odds of separation or divorce would have been higher. He can't possibly be easy to deal with, genius and cash-cow or not. Again, I don't want to appear...gossipy, I'm just a diehard fan. My curiosity isn't just limited to Brian asking for a separation - but also the reason why. If it was a personal thing, I don't need to know. And, forget about the recent Carnie thing for a second. Again, as a fan of Brian the artist/musician/Beach Boy, I can't help but wonder what was going on. As it pertained to the Beach Boys, we wanted to know the details of Brian's relationship with his father, with Mike Love, with his brothers, with Marilyn, with Van Dyke Parks, with his new "best friends", with Dr. Landy, and on and on. Is Melinda - as it pertains to Brian's career - off limits? Maybe Brian's reason for asking for a separation WAS career-based, maybe it did involve the Beach Boys, at least to some extent. I think Melinda shares in common with Landy that they both wanted Brian away from the Beach Boys. Landy would only have Brian appear at the big events - tv shows, 4th of July in DC; I recall some comments from the other guys (Mike? Al? Carl?) that they wished Brian was with them more often. Other than Stars and Stripes and C50, I can't recall anytime Brian appeared with the BBs during the Melinda years.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 18, 2024 20:20:10 GMT
Again, I don't want to appear...gossipy, I'm just a diehard fan. My curiosity isn't just limited to Brian asking for a separation - but also the reason why. If it was a personal thing, I don't need to know. And, forget about the recent Carnie thing for a second. Again, as a fan of Brian the artist/musician/Beach Boy, I can't help but wonder what was going on. As it pertained to the Beach Boys, we wanted to know the details of Brian's relationship with his father, with Mike Love, with his brothers, with Marilyn, with Van Dyke Parks, with his new "best friends", with Dr. Landy, and on and on. Is Melinda - as it pertains to Brian's career - off limits? Maybe Brian's reason for asking for a separation WAS career-based, maybe it did involve the Beach Boys, at least to some extent. I think Melinda shares in common with Landy that they both wanted Brian away from the Beach Boys. Landy would only have Brian appear at the big events - tv shows, 4th of July in DC; I recall some comments from the other guys (Mike? Al? Carl?) that they wished Brian was with them more often. Other than Stars and Stripes and C50, I can't recall anytime Brian appeared with the BBs during the Melinda years. lonelysummer, I've said numerous times before you became a member of this board - and I'm sure people are tired of me saying it - but I believe that Brian Wilson always considered himself a Beach Boy and never wanted to completely leave the band. Sure he had problems, serious problems with Mike, Dennis, and even Carl. But he always came back, and I don't think he was forced. Heck, there were even slips (Freudian slips?) in some of his interviews as a solo artist where he would talk about his solo records and say "we" or "the guys" as if he was referring to The Beach Boys - and not his new band. Maybe - maybe - he really wanted to do a couple of those solo projects (Gershwin comes to mind), but I will always believe that he was writing, arranging, and producing with The Beach Boys in mind. Then why not record with them?
And, lonelysummer, you are correct. Once Melinda became...established, it was no more Beach Boys for a long, long time. And even then (2012), after a few months, it was "no more shows for Wilson". Then it leaked out that Brian actually wanted to record a follow-up album to That's Why God Made The Radio with none other than The Beach Boys! What does that tell you?
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 18, 2024 22:25:02 GMT
In my purely speculative opinion: that feelings and relationships are complicated, and nothing more.
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Post by kds on Jan 19, 2024 3:24:03 GMT
I think the stuff Carnie says does raise a lot of questions. Regardless of how one feels about the way Melinda has managed Brian's solo career, it seems like a shame if she has something to do with keeping Brian from his daughters and family.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jan 19, 2024 15:16:57 GMT
I started to make a long post, but at this point in their lives it's not like anything is going to change. My main point was going to be that there has been a fair amount of smoke over the years about Melinda controlling Brian to some degree and not letting him see certain people from his past life. I think some part of that is on Brian as he is generally content to do whatever is suggested to him. That's a whole other can of worms. I'll admit I have wondered about their relationship status. It's been mentioned Melinda hasn't been seen at all in years and I can't remember the last time I saw him with his ring on.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 26, 2024 13:09:36 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 26, 2024 19:01:07 GMT
This is the song Brian will be dueting on. I don't know if his contribution will include a lead vocal or just background vocals.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Feb 13, 2024 17:21:50 GMT
A Fred Vail-Brian Wilson country album to be released?
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 13, 2024 17:41:01 GMT
Well, that's interesting--and a surprise. I did not see that coming. The album (with one song including Brian's vocal involvement) and a 4-part docuseries about the making of the album? Supposedly coming in 2025. (We'll see if it beats the Beach Boys documentary that was coming in, what, 2022?) Here is the story that was the source of the one Sheriff John Stone linked. www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/brian-wilson-country-album-cows-in-the-pasture-fred-vail-1234951531/“Fred always loved country music and he was a big rodeo guy,” Brian Wilson tells Rolling Stone. “He’s a hell of a guy, one hell of a promoter, and I’m glad his album is coming out.”
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Post by B.E. on Feb 20, 2024 3:32:04 GMT
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Post by Emdeeh on Feb 25, 2024 2:27:00 GMT
An utterly egregious, laughably bad article on Mike Love's net worth, complete with AI pics (or photos of someone else):
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 6, 2024 12:38:15 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 6, 2024 12:52:11 GMT
I came across this little story (more just an informational blurb) about a play by Ferdinand Alvaro, "Good Morning, Mr. Wilson: How a Beach Boy Lost His Smile," playing at a theater in New Jersey on Sunday. The cast includes the characters of Brian and Melinda Wilson; Mike Love; Van Dyke Parks; Murry Wilson; and Chuck Britz. "The play explores Brian's relationships and the dissolution of the album which led to his mental collapse."
I am very interested as to what Alvaro's...take...is on SMiLE. Or, maybe I don't want to know.
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