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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 30, 2019 16:58:36 GMT
Hard rock / metal guru / frehley fanatic and champion Eddie Trunk... Eddie Trunk is also the primary reason I miss Vh1 Classic for The Metal Show, which aired from 2008-2014 (I think). Same here; big fan of That Metal Show. I'm surprised it hasn't re-surfaced somewhere on some channel. That Metal Show was certainly flawed but where else could you find a TV show whose guests included Buck Dharma, Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Geggy Lee & Alex Lifeson, Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Steve Vai, Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, Leslie West, Mark Farner, and Lemmy to name just a few.
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Post by kds on Apr 30, 2019 17:02:27 GMT
Eddie Trunk is also the primary reason I miss Vh1 Classic for The Metal Show, which aired from 2008-2014 (I think). Same here; big fan of That Metal Show. I'm surprised it hasn't re-surfaced somewhere on some channel. That Metal Show was certainly flawed but where else could you find a TV show whose guests included Buck Dharma, Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Geggy Lee & Alex Lifeson, Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Steve Vai, Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, Leslie West, Mark Farner, and Lemmy to name just a few. Eddie, or somebody who works for him, commented on Facebook a while back, when Vh1 Classic was going away and TMS was cancelled, that Viacom owns the shows, and apparently have no interest in rebroadcasting them. It's like I've been saying, music geeks are a dying breed, and shows like TMS appealed to music geeks.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 30, 2019 17:14:04 GMT
I recall hearing him say within the past few months that he’d be thrilled to restart the show, but as kds notes, isn’t legally allowed to. That said, he does have plenty of visibility yet with a satellite radio show, I think a terrestrial radio show, a podcast, etc.
Plus—and I hate to say so—with new hard rock and metal basically fringe forms, the shows are overwhelmingly nostalgia. And there are only so many times you can complain about Ace being wronged! (Though Trunk seems intent on finding that final limit...)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 30, 2019 17:21:46 GMT
Same here; big fan of That Metal Show. I'm surprised it hasn't re-surfaced somewhere on some channel. That Metal Show was certainly flawed but where else could you find a TV show whose guests included Buck Dharma, Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Geggy Lee & Alex Lifeson, Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Steve Vai, Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, Leslie West, Mark Farner, and Lemmy to name just a few. Eddie, or somebody who works for him, commented on Facebook a while back, when Vh1 Classic was going away and TMS was cancelled, that Viacom owns the shows, and apparently have no interest in rebroadcasting them. It's like I've been saying, music geeks are a dying breed, and shows like TMS appealed to music geeks. PBS has been airing the show Speakeasy late on Saturday nights. Some of the guests I've seen so far have been Sting, Michael McDonald, Billy Gibbons, a couple of Lynyrd Skynyrd members - and Russ Titelman!
I always thought there would be a demand or a market for a talk show like That Metal Show or some show that featured three or four musicians discussing their music, other influential musicians, and music in general. But the show would feature strictly the cream of the crop., you know, panels like Brian Wilson/Elton John/Leon Russell/Hal Blaine or Paul McCartney/Ringo Starr/Eric Clapton/Keith Richards/ or Eddie Vedder/Pete Townshend/Roger Daltrey/Jack Black or Iggy Pop/David Johansen/Steve Jones/Ricahrd Hell or Chuck Berry/Little Richard/Jerry Lee Lewis/Fats Domino. I think the concept is fascinating and would be perfect for the so-called music geeks. These legends have/had so much to share that can't be found in books.
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Post by kds on Apr 30, 2019 17:24:11 GMT
I recall hearing him say within the past few months that he’d be thrilled to restart the show, but as kds notes, isn’t legally allowed to. That said, he does have plenty of visibility yet with a satellite radio show, I think a terrestrial radio show, a podcast, etc. Plus—and I hate to say so—with new hard rock and metal basically fringe forms, the shows are overwhelmingly nostalgia. And there are only so many times you can complain about Ace being wronged! (Though Trunk seems intent on finding that final limit...) Eddie did try to include some newer artists on TMS, like members of The Pretty Wreckless and Avenged Sevenfold, among others. But, for the most part that's true. And Eddie's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame rants were epic.
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Post by kds on Apr 30, 2019 17:26:27 GMT
Eddie, or somebody who works for him, commented on Facebook a while back, when Vh1 Classic was going away and TMS was cancelled, that Viacom owns the shows, and apparently have no interest in rebroadcasting them. It's like I've been saying, music geeks are a dying breed, and shows like TMS appealed to music geeks. PBS has been airing the show Speakeasy late on Saturday nights. Some of the guests I've seen so far have been Sting, Michael McDonald, Billy Gibbons, a couple of Lynyrd Skynyrd members - and Russ Titelman!
I always thought there would be a demand or a market for a talk show like That Metal Show or some show that featured three or four musicians discussing their music, other influential musicians, and music in general. But the show would feature strictly the cream of the crop., you know, panels like Brian Wilson/Elton John/Leon Russell/Hal Blaine or Paul McCartney/Ringo Starr/Eric Clapton/Keith Richards/ or Eddie Vedder/Pete Townshend/Roger Daltrey/Jack Black or Iggy Pop/David Johansen/Steve Jones/Ricahrd Hell or Chuck Berry/Little Richard/Jerry Lee Lewis/Fats Domino. I think the concept is fascinating and would be perfect for the so-called music geeks. These legends have/had so much to share that can't be found in books.
I wish I had the Axs channel. For the ridiculous money I pay for cable, it's borderline insulting that I don't have it. That channel features a bunch of list / music discussion shows, and it also features Eddie Trunk's latest show, which apparently isn't quite the same as TMS, but still features some interviews.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 30, 2019 19:17:14 GMT
Ten most memorable album purchases. 10. Captain Beefheart, Grow Fins box set. I had recently dove head-first into the Captain, and suddenly his music went from more or less unobtainable and out of print to commercially released in box set form!? It was expensive, but it was fantastic. Detailed booklet, tons of outtakes, and even videos (on a CD-ROM, an annoying trend of the era). 9. The Muppets, The Muppet Movie Soundtrack. My parents joined the BMG or Columbia House record club back in the very early ‘80s or very late ‘70s, and each of us kids got to pick one record. I picked this. Loved it. Still love it. Rates this low because the memory itself is fuzzy. I mean, I was roughly aged 3-5 at the time. 8. Poison’s Open Up and Say … Ahh!. I’m taking a slight liberty here, because I’m talking about my excitement around my then-best friend’s purchase of the album. We didn’t have a record store in my small hometown, so you had to be in a larger town to buy albums (which meant your parents or some older relative driving you 30-45 minutes to the nearest towns with record stores). He was able to buy it immediately and report to me as to its quality. The verdict over the phone? Not good. “It’s a country album!” he insisted. I later figured that a) he meant “Every Rose Has Its Thorn” and extrapolated pretty absurdly, and b) he had no ear whatsoever for music. 7. Brian Wilson’s BWPS. This would have been far and away No. 1, but I’d already heard it all via leaks by the time it was released. (If we want to say lead-up to first hearing it, that would be different!) But I still remember buying that nice little box with its CD and substantial booklet, with its embossed pattern around the edges … it felt great. I bought three that first day: one for me, one for a brother, and one for my mom! 6. KISS’s Revenge. Fool me once… The successor to Hot in the Shade (more on that next), I’d heard this was going to be harder rocking and feature Bob Ezrin at the helm. With Destroyer and (don’t laugh) Music From the Elder among my favorite albums at that time, I was psyched. Plus Vinnie Vincent had songwriting credits! Turned out to be a decent album, not great. 5. KISS’s Hot in the Shade. I’d heard rumors they were putting back on the makeup. While it wasn’t clear how that would work with Bruce Kulick in the band, I was willing to find out! (I think that rumor stemmed from the video to “Rise to It,” which had an intro in which Gene and Paul were putting on or taking off their makeup.) It was a good album, but not worth the excitement. Plus, I mean, it had a Michael Bolton-penned ballad. 4. Bob Dylan’s Modern Times. I only began liking Dylan seriously around the time of Love & Theft, which was about four years prior. And I loved that album and its sound, Dylan inhabiting this country-roots/blues/rock and roll sage persona. I was excited to see whether it was in the same vein (and, Dylan being Dylan, terrified it wouldn’t be). So on release day, I left work during lunch to go buy this from a relatively nearby record store. I listened all afternoon. Loved it. Still do. 3. Brian Wilson’s Gettin’ In Over My Head. I know this is weird. But while I recall maybe a song or two had been released in advance (or previewed?), I didn’t get a leak of this … which was contrary to every other Brian Wilson release since I became a fan. And remember, this was one of his first albums of (purportedly) new material, well, ever. It had been about four years since Imagination, which I didn’t like because of Thomas. I knew this didn’t include Thomas, but rather had his new, great band. I was so excited. (I was deeply let down, though I did get some enjoyment out of it.) 2. Europe’s The Final Countdown and Stryper’s To Hell With the Devil. These were a simultaneous purchase that meant a lot to me because they were my first purchases with my own money. Roughly aged 11, I knew exactly what I was in for with Europe, there already being one or two hits off that album, but wasn’t so sure about Stryper. But I hoped the Christian angle would appease my parents. It didn’t. My mom was offended by the title. 1. Guns n Roses, Use Your Illusion I & II. This is the first album I was aware of in advance down to the level of release dates. While I wasn’t able to get it on release day—as noted above, my small town didn’t have a record store—I was excited to hit up Musicland in the mall of a nearby town that weekend. And for some reason, I was staying overnight at my grandma’s in that same town that night. I remember lying on the guest-room bed listening to those two cassettes a couple times each as I pored through those liner notes. (The “Get in the Ring” section was informative…)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 1, 2019 2:25:08 GMT
Well, I loved The Kapitan's ten most memorable album purchases list so much, that I had to give it a shot myself. I would very much like to read about others' ten most memorable, too. Even if you don't have ten, list the ones you have!
1. The Doors - Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine In the summer of 1971, my older sister, who was always a step ahead of me in discovering new artists/albums, purchased The Doors first comp, 13. It wasn't long before that album became my album. I became obsessed with 13, obsessed with The Doors, and obsessed with Jim Morrison. As great as a comp 13 was, it was released before L.A. Woman, so it was missing some vital tracks. Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine contained, not just the key L.A. Woman tracks, but being a double album, several more essential Doors' songs. I purchased it in early 1972 and the obsession grew even stronger.
2. The Beach Boys - Bests: 40 Greatest Hits
In 1974 my sister purchased Endless Summer, another album which ended up in my bedroom. And in 1975, my high school buddy who drove me to school, purchased the Spirit Of America 8 track and played it in his car. But, what about all of those other great Beach Boys' songs I was hearing on the radio like "Sloop John B", "Wouldn't It Be Nice", and "Good Vibrations"? Well, a trip to the Berkshire Mall in Reading, PA in the spring of 1976 resulted in the purchase of this import comp. A bit of an expensive purchase, but now I had what I needed to fill in the gaps. Well, there would be more gaps to fill. Many more.
3. KISS - KISS In the winter of 1974 I was visiting a friend's house and he showed me his record collection. Where I scrimped and saved and purchased one album at a time, my friend bought albums (plural) at a time. He showed me an album that he listened to once but did not like. It was KISS's debut album, and it was on my wish list for months. I asked him if wanted to sell it to me, he said yes - for $5.00; believe it or not I actually had $5.00 in my wallet and the album was mine. I still have it.
4. Brian Wilson - Brian Wilson Very few albums did I anticipate as much as I did this one. On the day it was released, I asked my boss if I could take a 1 1/2 hour lunch break instead of 1 hour. She consented, so I broke the speed limit to the local record store, purchased it, listened to the entire album sitting on my bed, and made it back to work in 1 1/2 hours. When the first track, "Love And Mercy" came on, I was ecstatic; it was a very emotional moment, especially with the harmonies during the bridge. I just remember THAT being the highlight and the rest of the album not living up to that first song. I went back to work slightly disappointed.
5. Frank Sinatra - Greatest Hits I have to give my Dad some credit for this one. Whenever Frank Sinatra had a TV special, my Mom and Dad sat in front of the TV, enamored by Old Blue Eyes, I guess the way I did with my...heroes. In 1980, I remember catching one of these TV specials and my Dad gushing about how great Sinatra was. Honestly, I didn't get it. Then my Dad bought the "Theme From 'New York, New York'" single...and I liked it! I was very impressed and eventually found myself playing the record. I was so impressed that I sought out a Sinatra album. His current release was the 3 LP Trilogy album which I couldn't afford, so I purchased this greatest hits comp instead.
6. Lou Reed Live In the summer of 1975 I was really getting into hard rock and trying to buy as many albums as I could. The way I "scouted" these potential artists was by reading Creem and Circus magazines. Creem magazine was offering a free KISS or Ted Nugent album (I can't remember for sure which one it was) for a new one year subscription to the magazine. So, I jumped on offer. A few weeks later the free album arrived in the mail and it was NOT KISS or Ted Nugent, but Lou Reed Live. WTF! The only song I knew by Lou Reed was "Walk On The Wild Side" and I didn't particularly care for it. I debated returning Lou Reed Live back to Creem with a nasty letter, but my curiosity got the best of me and I kept the album. And I listened to the album. And I loved the album. And it made a Lou Reed fan out of me.
7. Sparks - Kimono My House Back in the early/mid 1970's was a TV show called Don Kirshner's Rock Concert. It usually aired on a Friday night at 11:30 PM EST. Imagine watching this "rock concert show" at around 1:00 AM and Sparks, with Ron and Russell Mael, come on with their "out there" music and stage theatrics. I had never seen anything like that and was blown away. Again, my sister "beat me to it" and bought Propaganda which was Sparks' current album. That one was great, but the song I wanted, "This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us" was on the previous album, Kimomo My House, so I purchased it in early 1975. I believe Kimono My House is Sparks' greatest album, and they've released about 25 since 1972.
8. Blue Oyster Cult - Blue Oyster Cult Back to Creem and Circus magazines again... I think it was Circus this time which ran a review for Blue Oyster Cult's then-current album, Tyranny And Mutation. I remember the review mentioning scorching hot guitars, heavy metal, an underground sound, and even a reference to The Doors. My buddy at the time actually bought Tyranny And Mutation, which lived up to its reviews, so I did my part and bought Blue Oyster Cult's debut album, another winner. Buck Dharma became an instant guitar hero, and I had the feeling that nobody even heard of him, at least not where I lived.
9. The Beach Boys - The Beach Boys (1985) This purchase was notable as being the first CD I ever purchased - and it sounded great! Other than the album which was weak and another BB disappointment, the thing that stood out was the crystal clear sound and NO SNAP, CRACKLE, AND POP! It's hard to believe how that is taken for granted now, but in 1985 it was a big deal. I used to crank that CD because it sounded so great on my bedroom speakers. The best sounding track was "Passing Friend". I used to try to impress my friends with the new CD, and show them the CD player that had a digital timer which showed how much time was left on the song - and CD! Oh, those were the days.
10. John Denver - Greatest Hits - Vol. 2 The underdog of the group, who woulda thunk it, don't laugh! In 1980 I met the girl of my dreams, and her favorite artist was...drum roll...John Denver! Now, look at some of the above albums I listed, and imagine how I felt upon hearing that. But I knew one thing, I WOULD get into John Denver no matter what. Yes, again my older sister had a John Denver album - Greatest Hits Vol. 1, which I hated - so I purchased Vol. 2. And a strange thing happened, actually two things happened. First, we saw John Denver in concert that summer in Hershey, PA and he was great (Hal Blaine was on drums). And, second, I discovered that I liked John Denver very much. He was a great songwriter, an excellent singer (if you like his voice), and he was a pretty darn good guitar player, too. John Denver wrote and performed some very emotional music, and several of his songs have become standards. I encourage anyone who would like to get into some easy listening/folk/pop/outdoors-y music to give John Denver a listen.
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Post by B.E. on May 1, 2019 4:35:15 GMT
9. The Beach Boys - The Beach Boys (1985) This purchase was notable as being the first CD I ever purchased - and it sounded great! Other than the album which was weak and another BB disappointment, the thing that stood out was the crystal clear sound and NO SNAP, CRACKLE, AND POP! It's hard to believe how that is taken for granted now, but in 1985 it was a big deal. I used to crank that CD because it sounded so great on my bedroom speakers. The best sounding track was "Passing Friend". I used to try to impress my friends with the new CD, and show them the CD player that had a digital timer which showed how much time was left on the song - and CD! Oh, those were the days.
Were you aware at the time that the CD included "Male Ego" but the LP and tape didn't? Did you consider it a bonus track? These are the things that keep me up at night.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 1, 2019 13:28:29 GMT
9. The Beach Boys - The Beach Boys (1985) This purchase was notable as being the first CD I ever purchased - and it sounded great! Other than the album which was weak and another BB disappointment, the thing that stood out was the crystal clear sound and NO SNAP, CRACKLE, AND POP! It's hard to believe how that is taken for granted now, but in 1985 it was a big deal. I used to crank that CD because it sounded so great on my bedroom speakers. The best sounding track was "Passing Friend". I used to try to impress my friends with the new CD, and show them the CD player that had a digital timer which showed how much time was left on the song - and CD! Oh, those were the days.
Were you aware at the time that the CD included "Male Ego" but the LP and tape didn't? Did you consider it a bonus track? These are the things that keep me up at night. Ha ha! Well, I do remember that the CD came in a longbox, and the tracklisting was printed on the longbox, as well as the bonus track being noted. Before I purchased it, though, I had no idea that the PLAN was to include "Male Ego" on the CD but NOT on the LP. Even then, the record company was playing games with the purchasers. But I was gonna buy the CD no matter what. Going from vinyl to CDs was a welcomed change for me.
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Post by kds on May 1, 2019 13:36:43 GMT
I know I'm in the minority when it comes to listener preferences, but I'm still very much a CD guy for the reasons you mentioned Sheriff.
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Post by Kapitan on May 1, 2019 14:00:41 GMT
I have nothing against CDs either, their weight when boxed up for moving notwithstanding!
I got into them later, in the early-to-mid 90s. Going from cassettes to CDs was a miracle of sound.
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Post by B.E. on May 1, 2019 14:43:00 GMT
Sheriff John Stone Thanks for the images. I'd been wondering for a while if "Male Ego" had been specifically marketed as a "bonus track". Clearly, it was.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:28:54 GMT
This was going to be my Top 10 chorus writers, then I made it composers, most of whom are arrangers, and producers. They often have collaborators. You could say it's today's Top 10 people who have most influenced my songwriting.
1. Tony Hatch & Jackie Trent 2. PF Sloan & Steve Barri 3. Gerry Goffin & Carole King 4. Burt Bacharach & Hal David 5. Brian Wilson & Various 6. Ennio Morricone 7. Neal Hefti 8. Scott Joplin o. Thom Bell & Linda Creed 10. Leroy Anderson
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Post by Kapitan on May 1, 2019 17:54:29 GMT
Along the same lines, here are my ten favorite “songmakers.” (I’m mostly thinking songwriters, but the overall picture including arrangements, productions, and performances are included.) 10. Kacey Musgraves 9. Jeff Tweedy (Wilco, Uncle Tupelo) 8. David Ivar Herman Dune 7. Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) 6. Kevin Barnes (Of Montreal) 5. Bob Dylan 4. Paul Simon 3. Freddie Mercury 2. Lennon/McCartney 1. Brian Wilson
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