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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 2, 2023 0:22:06 GMT
It's really hard for me, a lifelong record (aka vinyl), cassette and compact disc collector, to adjust to this digital download only/streaming trend, but everyone is doing it. I guess I'm supposed to rip the files to a CDR, and make my own cover art, liner notes, etc. Or better yet, get someone to make a custom vinyl pressing for me. In the old days, I would invite a friend over to peruse my record collection. What do people know? Invite others to look at their Spotify playlists? There was something personal, hands-on about record collecting, even cd collecting. Any projections here on how much longer CD's will be manufactured? I'm guessing vinyl is here to stay; with ever escalating prices. I don't have any projections how much longer CDs will be manufactured, but I do think, to some extent, on some level, they will always be manufactured. The number of places where they can be purchased will be seriously limited, but you'll be able to find them. Maybe it'll be Amazon, maybe it'll be like a Collector's Choice Music, or maybe the business hasn't even been started yet. The formats - vinyl, cassette, 8-Track, CD - seem to be cyclical in popularity. It's almost faddish. They come and go, but with some diligence you can find them.
That's why I was proposing a physical 2CD reissue/release of The Beach Boys In Concert. I just want it done, manufactured, available. Yes, there was a lot of live tracks included on the Sail On, Sailor boxed set, but I don't know how many units that's gonna move. It's a bit pricey, a specialty item, for diehards only. Are those brilliant 1973 live performances gonna be heard? By as many music fans as possible? I think with a 2CD, specially-priced, streamlined jewel case, complete with a new booklet and extensive liner notes/credits, it has a much better chance.
Would it cost that much to manufacture? Does a small booklet cost that much to produce? Jewel cases? All of the tapes have been digitalized. The grunt work is done. It's just a matter of sequencing them and perfecting the transitions. Hell, I could do that in one day!
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 2, 2023 6:30:09 GMT
It's really hard for me, a lifelong record (aka vinyl), cassette and compact disc collector, to adjust to this digital download only/streaming trend, but everyone is doing it. I guess I'm supposed to rip the files to a CDR, and make my own cover art, liner notes, etc. Or better yet, get someone to make a custom vinyl pressing for me. In the old days, I would invite a friend over to peruse my record collection. What do people know? Invite others to look at their Spotify playlists? There was something personal, hands-on about record collecting, even cd collecting. Any projections here on how much longer CD's will be manufactured? I'm guessing vinyl is here to stay; with ever escalating prices. I don't have any projections how much longer CDs will be manufactured, but I do think, to some extent, on some level, they will always be manufactured. The number of places where they can be purchased will be seriously limited, but you'll be able to find them. Maybe it'll be Amazon, maybe it'll be like a Collector's Choice Music, or maybe the business hasn't even been started yet. The formats - vinyl, cassette, 8-Track, CD - seem to be cyclical in popularity. It's almost faddish. They come and go, but with some diligence you can find them.
That's why I was proposing a physical 2CD reissue/release of The Beach Boys In Concert. I just want it done, manufactured, available. Yes, there was a lot of live tracks included on the Sail On, Sailor boxed set, but I don't know how many units that's gonna move. It's a bit pricey, a specialty item, for diehards only. Are those brilliant 1973 live performances gonna be heard? By as many music fans as possible? I think with a 2CD, specially-priced, streamlined jewel case, complete with a new booklet and extensive liner notes/credits, it has a much better chance.
Would it cost that much to manufacture? Does a small booklet cost that much to produce? Jewel cases? All of the tapes have been digitalized. The grunt work is done. It's just a matter of sequencing them and perfecting the transitions. Hell, I could do that in one day! Yeah, my budget is limited, can't afford the big boxes. I went for the two cd sets with Feel Flows and Sail on Sailor. I would definitely buy The Beach Boys In Concert on cd if it was reissued with bonus tracks. It's the last BB album I'm really interested in, unless they get to LA/KTSA/BB85, and those are so far away in terms of copyright, it may never happen on a physical level.
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Post by kds on Sept 2, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
I think it was two years ago that CDs experienced a bump in sales.
While numbers will never be what they once were, I think there will always be a demand for tangible media. So, I don't see CDs or records going away.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 2, 2023 11:01:04 GMT
I agree there will probably always be some kind of physical media, but I'm not sure it will always be CDs. We can't discount a new physical medium being invented or popularized. As Sheriff John Stone said, the old media necessarily don't go away: we still have vinyl and cassettes as well as CDs. But sometimes they do, such as old wax cylinders and 8-tracks. So it's probably more a matter of which group will CDs fall into? My guess would be they'd fall into the vinyl/cassette category, because they have their benefits. They are relatively hard to damage, they are relatively portable, they have high sound quality (all "warmth" arguments aside). So unless the next physical medium betters it in those areas, I do think they'll be around. And now I'm curious: what will the next physical medium be?
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Post by kds on Sept 2, 2023 12:02:01 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a new physical medium that catches on the way records, tapes, and CDs did.
CDs have been around four decades, and most new mediums were really just "upgraded" versions of CDs like DualDiscs, DVDAs, and audio Blu Rays.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 2, 2023 12:41:12 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a new physical medium that catches on the way records, tapes, and CDs did. CDs have been around four decades, and most new mediums were really just "upgraded" versions of CDs like DualDiscs, DVDAs, and audio Blu Rays. I think that if the proposition that we'll always want some physical medium around (even if it isn't as popular as streaming or other future non-physical media)--as was I think generally agreed above--then it makes sense to believe there will be changes/advancements. Whether they are incremental like the ones you mentioned, or more completely new, time will tell. But there are always changes. Maybe something without the mechanical parts in CD players, or something with even better quality sound, or some new, more manageable physical object (more toward cassette size and shape and away from discs) will be developed--I can't say. But as long as there is some physical medium, I think it's safe to expect changes as to what the medium is.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 11, 2023 20:27:34 GMT
You know, while I wasn't disappointed as relate to any expectations for this year--I really didn't have any, still-pending documentary aside--I guess I am more often feeling disappointed in the lack of activity or interesting product.
That sounds self-contradictory. But it isn't quite that. It's just a different angle to look at it, and it's one that is bumming me out. I'm not let down, because there was nothing really on the table, so far as I knew. But when I think about that--that there's nothing on the table--it's a little bit of a downer.
Yes, Mike's band is still out there working. But honestly I'm just not that excited about that. It is (as we knew it would be) not a big copyright extension reissue year, so there are no cool sets to look forward to on that front. Brian's band is probably done. Al is out, but not around here (so far as I've seen). Nobody seems to be putting out new music, which is what might excite me most of all.
So it's just a matter of waiting for that documentary, which was due out last year. No major reissues/archival sets, presumably, for a few more years. No new albums. It's not that 2023 is disappointing, it's that the likely future is disappointing--or at least on an increasingly disappointing trend.
(Here ends your feel-good post of the day!)
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 12, 2023 2:17:00 GMT
You know, while I wasn't disappointed as relate to any expectations for this year--I really didn't have any, still-pending documentary aside--I guess I am more often feeling disappointed in the lack of activity or interesting product. That sounds self-contradictory. But it isn't quite that. It's just a different angle to look at it, and it's one that is bumming me out. I'm not let down, because there was nothing really on the table, so far as I knew. But when I think about that--that there's nothing on the table--it's a little bit of a downer. Yes, Mike's band is still out there working. But honestly I'm just not that excited about that. It is (as we knew it would be) not a big copyright extension reissue year, so there are no cool sets to look forward to on that front. Brian's band is probably done. Al is out, but not around here (so far as I've seen). Nobody seems to be putting out new music, which is what might excite me most of all. So it's just a matter of waiting for that documentary, which was due out last year. No major reissues/archival sets, presumably, for a few more years. No new albums. It's not that 2023 is disappointing, it's that the likely future is disappointing--or at least on an increasingly disappointing trend. (Here ends your feel-good post of the day!) My excitement about the Mike and Bruce band peeked when they included some Feel Flows songs in the shows. Of course, those songs did not stay, and now it's just back to the same old stuff. Mike's new album wasn't really new; Brian isn't doing anything; and yeah, Al does some shows, but the odds are I'll never have a chance to see him. It kind of feels like we've reached the end of a road. On the other hand, as a Bob Dylan fan, I'm frankly stunned at how much stuff is being released under his name now. Time Out of Mind box set early this year; Shadow Kingdom album; and just announced, Bob Dylan at Budokan box. And probably some kind of copyright set at the end of the year. Haven't heard ANY updates on the whole Beatles Now and Then/Red and Blue thing. It's nice to have good things to look forward to.
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