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Post by Kapitan on Nov 29, 2021 12:41:48 GMT
It all feels very cobbled together and although I could be mistaken, I don't think many of the songs even appeared on the documentary. I've still just seen the doc once, but I'd say I recall maybe half of the songs as being in it:
Right Where I Belong (repeatedly) Honeycomb (in studio scenes) It's OK (in studio scenes, as well as the original in the car repeatedly) Long Promised Road (in studio scenes) Must Be a Miracle I'm Broke And I think maybe It's Not Easy Being Me?
However, I agree with your point about it feeling cobbled together (even for a soundtrack).
It's interesting that the archival songs are all specifically Wilson/Paley era. Still no "Stevie," no Wilson/Thomas leftovers. It's not as if theses songs are necessarily relevant to the movie more than others would have been. You'd have guessed more a cross-section of archival stuff might have been represented.
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Post by kds on Nov 29, 2021 13:32:27 GMT
I wonder if that means there are plans for a further archival release of BW material.
I'm listening to the soundtrack now for the first time. As the song says, it's OK. I do wish it were receiving a CD release. I'd gladly purchase those over At My Piano.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 1, 2021 17:55:54 GMT
So we're almost to the one-week mark for this album. I have to ask:
Has anyone found it really enjoyable? Like, put it on for repeated listens for pure pleasure, the way many of us do with many Beach Boys-related albums?
I have to admit that I have not. I played it more than once--maybe three times?--but in all honesty had almost forgotten about it in the past few days. For comparison, I had NPP in my car for probably a couple months listening to it to and from work, as well as on my laptop for in-home listening. I probably listened to at least some of my favorites almost every day for weeks or months. And even the Playback album, I listened to "Run James Run" and "Some Sweet Day" quite a bit in the early weeks.
On this one, I hear "Rock and Roll Has Got a Hold On Me" as probably the best or second-best song, and I rate it as similar to "Message Man," which was of course a bonus track/outtake kind of thing from TLOS. Not a great comp for a favorite track.
I say this not to be a jerk, but just because it makes me a little sad. I wish at the very least they had included more, better of the unreleased stuff.
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Post by kds on Dec 1, 2021 18:41:13 GMT
I actually haven't gone back and listened to it a second time yet.
Right Where I Belong is alright. The remakes are typically disposable. And, I think the bulk of the unreleased material was unreleased for a reason.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 1, 2021 21:06:19 GMT
My thoughts on this...soundtrack...are contained in The Beach Boys 60th Anniversary thread, maybe as far back as a year or two.
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Post by B.E. on Dec 2, 2021 4:14:22 GMT
I’ve certainly had a better, or more eventful, experience with it. I’m about 4-5 listens in, but I’m not quite ready to comment. My thoughts are kinda all over the place. Mostly positive. Although, I’m not nearly as high on it as I am the documentary or At My Piano (which I’m still listening to!). Anyway, I hope to post all about it this weekend.
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Post by kds on Dec 2, 2021 13:35:39 GMT
I know this is the Beach Boys World we're talking about, so I'm not sure why I'm thinking logically.
But, I really can't wrap my brain around the lack of a physical release for this. Actual new(ish) songs from Brian Wilson on a soundtrack is digital only, yet another round of self covers gets the full on release?
Color me baffled.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 2, 2021 13:50:34 GMT
I know this is the Beach Boys World we're talking about, so I'm not sure why I'm thinking logically. But, I really can't wrap my brain around the lack of a physical release for this. Actual new(ish) songs from Brian Wilson on a soundtrack is digital only, yet another round of self covers gets the full on release? Color me baffled. Considering the probably very low interest in the archival material and remakes on the album, I'm not totally surprised. Plus, I'd guess the piano album would be better received by a LOT of people. (Think about how many people historically actually bought easy listening albums. "Oh, Boston Pops plays the Beatles. I love the Beatles!" says the at-best casual Beatles fan, and buys the CD to leave playing while putting around the house.)
However, I definitely would have thought "Right Where I Belong" would have been released as a special edition single, paired with whatever: "Rock and Roll Has Got a Hold on Me" or the doc title track, "Long Promised Road," maybe.
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Post by kds on Dec 2, 2021 13:57:09 GMT
I know this is the Beach Boys World we're talking about, so I'm not sure why I'm thinking logically. But, I really can't wrap my brain around the lack of a physical release for this. Actual new(ish) songs from Brian Wilson on a soundtrack is digital only, yet another round of self covers gets the full on release? Color me baffled. Considering the probably very low interest in the archival material and remakes on the album, I'm not totally surprised. Plus, I'd guess the piano album would be better received by a LOT of people. (Think about how many people historically actually bought easy listening albums. "Oh, Boston Pops plays the Beatles. I love the Beatles!" says the at-best casual Beatles fan, and buys the CD to leave playing while putting around the house.)
However, I definitely would have thought "Right Where I Belong" would have been released as a special edition single, paired with whatever: "Rock and Roll Has Got a Hold on Me" or the doc title track, "Long Promised Road," maybe.
I guess I'm underrating the interest in those easy listening versions of classic material. Personally, I'd take new or archive material over that any day of the week. I'll probably wind up purchasing a digital version and ripping it to a CDR at some point.
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Post by B.E. on Dec 2, 2021 17:35:05 GMT
Keep in my mind that the piano album was a record label’s idea (and I want to say that they’ve (Decca) done similar projects with other artists, so think of it like a series, but don’t quote me on that) and the soundtrack album wasn’t. That was more internally developed and to accompany a film that they had a hell of a time finding a distributor for. So, I’m not really surprised. And I’m pretty sure if it was up to Brian and his team that the soundtrack would have a physical release (and maybe it still will...though that seems unlikely at this point).
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Post by kds on Dec 2, 2021 18:04:08 GMT
Keep in my mind that the piano album was a record label’s idea (and I want to say that they’ve (Decca) done similar projects with other artists, so think of it like a series, but don’t quote me on that) and the soundtrack album wasn’t. That was more internally developed and to accompany a film that they had a hell of a time finding a distributor for. So, I’m not really surprised. And I’m pretty sure if it was up to Brian and his team that the soundtrack would have a physical release (and maybe it still will...though that seems unlikely at this point). While I don't doubt or disagree with anything you're saying, it just seems like things like this are so common in the world of the Beach Boys (and their members) as opposed to other legacy artists.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 6, 2021 20:39:14 GMT
The vocal on "Must Be a Miracle" doesn't seem to be the one on my boot--at least the one on my laptop, though I do have a disc or two somewhere that could be different--though it also doesn't seem to be a significantly later one, either. It sounds like mid 90s Brian to me, but just not the same vocal as the one on the soundtrack.
Compare the higher vocal line during "newborn baby cry." Here, at 17 seconds, during "baby" he first hits, then slides the note on the syllable "bay" from an F down to the Eb of "bee."
Compare that to here, from the new version. at about 19 seconds, that same part isn't hitting and then sliding down, but rather scooping up slightly to get to the F, then cleanly hitting the Eb of the next note. So rather than sliding down, he scoops up and hits the notes one after the other.
I know we don't have any credits/details yet, but does anyone know definitively (or have good ideas) as to the deal, here? It is just a different take that was available from the original tracks? A relatively contemporaneous redo? A later redo? Just some serious editing/processing?
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Post by B.E. on Dec 6, 2021 20:55:00 GMT
Like “You’re Still A Mystery” on Made In California, I believe the lead vocal was redone circa 1999. I wonder if they were planning a release at the time?
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 6, 2021 20:59:18 GMT
Like “You’re Still A Mystery” on Made In California, I believe the lead vocal was redone circa 1999. I wonder if they were planning a release at the time? Well we know there was a contractual obligation to do another Thomas album, don't we? And they were recording more at the time before the lawsuits and acrimony led to Thomas's decade-plus of exile from the scene. (Obviously some of those songs showed up on GIOMH and more on TWGMTR.) Maybe both of those were in contention.
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Dec 7, 2021 5:37:01 GMT
The vocal on "Must Be a Miracle" doesn't seem to be the one on my boot--at least the one on my laptop, though I do have a disc or two somewhere that could be different--though it also doesn't seem to be a significantly later one, either. It sounds like mid 90s Brian to me, but just not the same vocal as the one on the soundtrack.
Compare the higher vocal line during "newborn baby cry." Here, at 17 seconds, during "baby" he first hits, then slides the note on the syllable "bay" from an F down to the Eb of "bee."
Compare that to here, from the new version. at about 19 seconds, that same part isn't hitting and then sliding down, but rather scooping up slightly to get to the F, then cleanly hitting the Eb of the next note. So rather than sliding down, he scoops up and hits the notes one after the other.
I know we don't have any credits/details yet, but does anyone know definitively (or have good ideas) as to the deal, here? It is just a different take that was available from the original tracks? A relatively contemporaneous redo? A later redo? Just some serious editing/processing?
Not only is it a different vocal, but it also sounds like a different backing track. Apparently, a backing track was done for what was considered at the time a beach boys version in 1995, so this might be that backing track. As for the vocal, just going off the way it sounds and the fact that you’re still a mystery was also re-recorded vocally as a previous poster said, I think 1999 is probably a good bet.
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