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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 12:46:02 GMT
Kap, I hope I'm not stepping on toes, but I found your aside in the TLOS thread interesting. The idea of people persistently telling you that you "have" to listen to a certain band, album, or song; or watch a certain TV show, movie, or documentary.
I'll admit this has happened to me to an extent with the very popular TV show Stranger Things. I saw some clips online, and to be honest, it didn't really pique my interest. It just looks to me like a ton of 80s references with a loose Goonies / Monster Squad esque type story around it. But, friends and some family members kept saying that I just had to check it out. And they're reasoning is always because "Since you love Ghostbusters" or "You love the 80s." The reasoning is never really about the stories or characters. If I want to watch Ghostbusters, I'll watch Ghostbusters. If I really want a ton of 80s references, I'll find the Vh1 series I Love the 80s on YouTube.
I also think, to a certain extent, my dislike of Nirvana is fueled by the fact that their music keeps popping up on Top Ten lists and people insist that they're one of the essential rock bands of all time.
Now, I know this is somewhat illogical, but in my defense, I probably wasn't ever going to check out Stranger Things anyway. And I disliked Nirvana from the first time I heard them.
I don't think there's anything that I consciously avoided for this, then came around to check out and enjoy. If I think of anything, I'll post it.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 26, 2020 12:51:36 GMT
My toes can take it!
As that aside said, for me this is a point of stubbornness that is obviously just idiotic. I recognize my illogic on this. But at least I've got the self-awareness to recognize it, right?
I have to this day never seen any Matrix movie. I never saw Titanic. I spent years avoiding various artists' music--some of which happen to be among my favorites now, I sheepishly admit. I didn't watch Stranger Things or American Horror Story or Breaking Bad. There are bars and restaurants I have yet to visit, some of which have even long-since gone out of business.
But if too many people insist I need to like or do something, I'm sorry, it's just not going to happen. Tell me a better story: I might like it; some kind of balanced report on merits and flaws; maybe just a suggestion. But repeated insistence is one of my ultimate turn-offs.
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 13:02:15 GMT
Sometimes with me, it also depends on who is making the suggestions. My little sister, for example. She and I have almost polar opposite interests when it comes to pop culture. So, if I'm on the fence about something, I'll take her endorsement as the reason to avoid it. I was on the fence about the Netflix show Space Force. Once she told me how much she liked it, I made up my mind to not watch the show.
I think the lone exception with her was The Big Bang Theory. I finally checked out the show once it hit syndication (after seeing a preview on basic cable of an episode featuring a scantily clad Kaley Cuoco), and I wound up really enjoying it......not just because of Ms. Cuoco.
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Post by bellbottoms on Aug 26, 2020 13:42:01 GMT
Well it looks like I’m among those jerks who likes to give and follow up recommendations, lol. In my defense, if there’s something I’m into, I won’t just crop dust everyone I know with it, I tend to recommend based on what I think that person would like. Similarly, if someone tells me I have to see or hear something, most of the time I’ll check it out (unless that person has terrible taste, or there is a specific reason why I know I wouldn’t like the thing).
Having said that, my enjoyment of the recommended thing does typically have a relationship with how hard the person pushed it. Usually if they insist repeatedly, the thing doesn’t live up to their hype. But that doesn’t necessarily make it bad, and rarely would I say I’ve regretted following up on a recommendation.
I have a similar sister story. She and I like different things and sometimes I wonder how we grew up in the same house, but there are a few things we share from childhood that we have bonded over. If I come across something I think she’ll enjoy, she never follows my recommendation. Because I am not cool. Oh well. But the thing that gets me is that if someone she considers cool recommends that same thing after I have, she’ll dive right in and then tell me about it like I didn’t already try to plant the seed, lol. Jerk.
I think one of the reasons I appreciate this forum is that everyone shares things they enjoy, and we’re all free to follow up on these things, or not. Often though, repeated exposure to a certain thing will inspire me to check it out. I have a follow up to this in another thread, coming soon.
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 13:49:03 GMT
Well it looks like I’m among those jerks who likes to give and follow up recommendations, lol. In my defense, if there’s something I’m into, I won’t just crop dust everyone I know with it, I tend to recommend based on what I think that person would like. Similarly, if someone tells me I have to see or hear something, most of the time I’ll check it out (unless that person has terrible taste, or there is a specific reason why I know I wouldn’t like the thing). Having said that, my enjoyment of the recommended thing does typically have a relationship with how hard the person pushed it. Usually if they insist repeatedly, the thing doesn’t live up to their hype. But that doesn’t necessarily make it bad, and rarely would I say I’ve regretted following up on a recommendation. I have a similar sister story. She and I like different things and sometimes I wonder how we grew up in the same house, but there are a few things we share from childhood that we have bonded over. If I come across something I think she’ll enjoy, she never follows my recommendation. Because I am not cool. Oh well. But the thing that gets me is that if someone she considers cool recommends that same thing after I have, she’ll dive right in and then tell me about it like I didn’t already try to plant the seed, lol. Jerk. I think one of the reasons I appreciate this forum is that everyone shares things they enjoy, and we’re all free to follow up on these things, or not. Often though, repeated exposure to a certain thing will inspire me to check it out. I have a follow up to this in another thread, coming soon. I think we all give recommendations on things, but like you said, the repeated insistence is what can be a turn off. The story of your sister taking recommendations from someone "cooler" than you reminded me of a story with me and my sister. I remember telling her about The Office (US) when it was new on NBC fifteen years ago, and she was fairly lukewarm. Fast forward to now, when Netflix made the show more popular now than it was when it aired, and she's suddenly a big fan.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 26, 2020 13:59:37 GMT
The brother to whom I'm closest in age (one grade when we were in school, just under a year and a half in age) and I used to have almost identical interests as kids ... probably because we were lumped together in everything and had basically identical life experiences for the first decade of my life.
Our tastes diverged by junior high, with him going the (heavier) heavy metal route and full shredders, and me going the classic rock route and then singer-songwriters, jazz, etc. We still both love rock music, but very different specifics.
Now it often seems like our recommendations to one another always fall on deaf ears, even though we know one another's taste. It's just that an outsider's guess as to what a fan of such-and-such would love seems rarely to be right. Our shared car rides, holidays, or hangouts are often mostly mutual toleration of the other's taste with those brief, occasional, often decades-old shared interests.
As for recommendations in general, I love giving them. They are almost never taken with the enthusiasm I'd have guessed.
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Post by bellbottoms on Aug 26, 2020 14:14:51 GMT
I think we all give recommendations on things, but like you said, the repeated insistence is what can be a turn off. The story of your sister taking recommendations from someone "cooler" than you reminded me of a story with me and my sister. I remember telling her about The Office (US) when it was new on NBC fifteen years ago, and she was fairly lukewarm. Fast forward to now, when Netflix made the show more popular now than it was when it aired, and she's suddenly a big fan. It seems that for some people, mainstream acceptance is what gives things credibility, and that's what inspires their interest. And then there is the opposite, where mainstream acceptance is a total turn off for others. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle.
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 14:21:51 GMT
I think we all give recommendations on things, but like you said, the repeated insistence is what can be a turn off. The story of your sister taking recommendations from someone "cooler" than you reminded me of a story with me and my sister. I remember telling her about The Office (US) when it was new on NBC fifteen years ago, and she was fairly lukewarm. Fast forward to now, when Netflix made the show more popular now than it was when it aired, and she's suddenly a big fan. It seems that for some people, mainstream acceptance is what gives things credibility, and that's what inspires their interest. And then there is the opposite, where mainstream acceptance is a total turn off for others. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle. My sister is definitely one of those people who bases her tastes on what's popular or mainstream. I do think I'm also somewhere in the middle, although, I think my tastes were more mainstream 20-25 years ago.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 26, 2020 14:23:56 GMT
I've gone toward mainstream in the past 10-15 years. For the 10 or so prior, I made a point of avoiding everything mainstream, being one of those insufferable, intolerant, elitist jackasses. Now I definitely find more pleasure in more mainstream things: not always, but far more than I used to. So now I'm just an insufferable jackass. It's a totally different kind of jackass!
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 14:27:21 GMT
I don't really consciously avoid mainstream culture, but in the last 20-25 years, I've just found that less and less of it appeals to me. I'm actually going to the movies this weekend for the fist time in over three years, and it'll be to see a sequel to a franchise that hasn't produced a new movie since 1991 - Bill and Ted Face the Music.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 26, 2020 14:46:29 GMT
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2020 14:51:20 GMT
This is one of my reservations about a Bill and Ted movie in 2020. Bill and Ted are so ingrained in that rock culture of the late 80s / early 90s. It just seems weird for a band like Weezer to be associated with them.
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Post by zinczag on Nov 16, 2020 16:19:37 GMT
Nice subject to discuss. I enjoy when people recommend music to listen - with links to boot!!! I.e. jolly easy path, doesn't even require to type it to find it in the Internet. Ain't it cool?😎👍👊
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