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Post by Kapitan on Apr 18, 2020 13:21:55 GMT
On a side note, its easy to poke and prod at everything wrong with TWGMTR. But, I still think the album's existence is something to be celebrated. The fact the good is as good as it is is a miracle. Yep. Probably most importantly, people's wish-lists of what it should have been almost certainly weren't alternatives. The alternative to Brian providing mostly solo material to be Beach Boy'd up most likely wasn't a more democratic process, writing with Mike like the old days, etc. The alternative more likely was no reunion album.
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Post by lonelysummer on Apr 18, 2020 19:35:40 GMT
Just my 2 cents - late in the discussion, I know. Yeah, the album feels like a quickie. At the eleventh hour, word comes down "oh, the reunion is happening? We better rush out an album … what songs do we have stockpiled, Joe?" So they go back to the Imagination era songs, record them ...and then they seek a little input from Mike. Al? "Naw, Al can't have a song on the album. Did he write any songs on Summer Days or Today? Exactly. David? Yeah, stick his guitar in there somewhere. Mike wants to be alone in a room with me? Yeah, so does Elton John, but we're not going there!"
So we got a Brian Wilson album with guest vocals by some of the Beach Boys. Agreed on that point.
It doesn't rock. This makes me think of something I was told decades ago. "Older people don't like rock and roll. Sure, they will always enjoy the stuff they grew up on, but as they age, their tastes move to smooth jazz, adult contemporary, country...."
It would have been nice if there had been one Carl vocal on the album somewhere. As the first BB album since his death, it feels like something is missing. No, they didn't have to make the entire album a tribute to Carl and Dennis, I never expected that.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 18, 2020 20:49:07 GMT
Very good post, lonelysummer, "late to the discussion" or not.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 19, 2020 12:35:45 GMT
. It doesn't rock. This makes me think of something I was told decades ago. "Older people don't like rock and roll. Sure, they will always enjoy the stuff they grew up on, but as they age, their tastes move to smooth jazz, adult contemporary, country...." It would have been nice if there had been one Carl vocal on the album somewhere. As the first BB album since his death, it feels like something is missing. No, they didn't have to make the entire album a tribute to Carl and Dennis, I never expected that. And, I'll say again that a rock and roll show was exactly what Mike & Bruce were performing, as was Brian regardless of a few "deeper, artistic" songs, and Al's solo album is full of rock and roll ("Drivin'", "Honkin' Down The Highway", "Help Me Rhonda", "Waves Of Love"). I'm assuming David's shows and recent recordings at that time were rock-driven, too. So, I don't think it would've been out of character to go that route a little more, if at all. I wonder how many BB fans were expecting some more Beach Boys' rock & roll, only to be disappointed?
That's one of the decisions I agree with on TWGMTR - not including songs with Carl and/or Dennis (vocals). If it had been just one deceased Beach Boy, then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. But, if you feature one, then you have to feature both, don't you? And that would've added a bit of creepiness to the album. Besides, how would've that looked, including a song by Carl and/or Dennis, but no songs from Al and Bruce? They decided to make it a CURRENT Beach Boys' album, with this particular lineup, no looking back, which makes it even more troubling that Al and Bruce got snubbed songwriting-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 21:59:17 GMT
What is the status of the other songs they recorded including stow away by David and other songs, may be waves of love also. Where are those songs and are they going to come out on a deluxe version of radio or can they be heard now anywhere?
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 19, 2020 22:57:53 GMT
Do you think there is a demand for a deluxe version, Prof? It's not like those 60's albums where they can offer special mono/stereo mixes and a bunch of outtakes. TWGMTR doesn't even need to remastered. Other than "Do It Again" which popped up on some rare import CD, are there other songs that were recorded but didn't make the cut? And, Al released a couple of versions of "Waves Of Love" on A Postcard From California - depending on which version of the album you purchased!  |
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 19, 2020 23:11:36 GMT
What is the status of the other songs they recorded including stow away by David and other songs, may be waves of love also. Where are those songs and are they going to come out on a deluxe version of radio or can they be heard now anywhere? As far as I know, there were at least three other songs considered for the album: Waves of Love She Believes in love Again I'd Go Anywhere We all the story with the first one. Brian rejected it. As for the next one, we don't know much about it, but I suspect it would have been Bruce's 2007 version with BB vocals. I'd Go Anywhere was shown during the Doin' It Again "documentary." I don't know if it was finished, but I'd have to think it was considering it made it to the released video. There was another vocal part shown, but my memory is fuzzy on if that was a different song, or just a part of I'd Go Anywhere.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 19, 2020 23:13:37 GMT
One or more of the articles referenced at least a couple other songs being in the mix, though we don't know how many in all or how far along they may have gotten. Especially considering it seems we've all agreed it was somewhat rushed, it's hard to imagine they spent significant time as a group on songs that weren't very, very serious contenders to be on the album. (It's not like they were jamming and recording over a 6-month period at some resort getaway in the tropics; they were trying to get product out to support their upcoming reunion tour.)
My guess is there are plenty of songs guys had demo'd previous to the true sessions, but not necessarily much (beyond what made the album) that was worked on seriously in the studio with session musicians and the Beach Boys recording parts.
EDIT - I think SJS hit the nail on the head about some deluxe package, though. I'm sure if the band thought there were serious opportunity there, they'd release them in some (presumably digital-only) format. But I can't imagine any of them give the matter all that much thought.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 19, 2020 23:16:22 GMT
Do you think there is a demand for a deluxe version, Prof? It's not like those 60's albums where they can offer special mono/stereo mixes and a bunch of outtakes. TWGMTR doesn't even need to remastered. Other than "Do It Again" which popped up on some rare import CD, are there other songs that were recorded but didn't make the cut? And, Al released a couple of versions of "Waves Of Love" on A Postcard From California - depending on which version of the album you purchased! There might not be much commercial interest in a specific TWGMTR deluxe edition, but I'd love to see some kind of box set that covers the last 30 years or so. There's a lot of solid material to work with. It would probably never happen, but you could even include Sweet Insanity stuff.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 19, 2020 23:19:12 GMT
There might not be much commercial interest in a specific TWGMTR deluxe edition, but I'd love to see some kind of box set that covers the last 30 years or so. There's a lot of solid material to work with. It would probably never happen, but you could even include Sweet Insanity stuff. I can imagine that happening, but not on a BBs package. I do think it will come out in some form under Brian Wilson's name at some point, though, presumably after he dies. I'm certain we'll get "the bedroom tapes," the Paley stuff, and Sweet Insanity.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 19, 2020 23:25:50 GMT
There might not be much commercial interest in a specific TWGMTR deluxe edition, but I'd love to see some kind of box set that covers the last 30 years or so. There's a lot of solid material to work with. It would probably never happen, but you could even include Sweet Insanity stuff. I can imagine that happening, but not on a BBs package. I do think it will come out in some form under Brian Wilson's name at some point, though, presumably after he dies. I'm certain we'll get "the bedroom tapes," the Paley stuff, and Sweet Insanity. Well yeah, it obviously could happen under Brian's name, albeit with less exposure. I thought the Playback compilation released a couple years ago was a missed opportunity. I seem to remember rumors that it actually was going to be a box set, but of course we only ended up going a compilation with Some Sweet Day and Run James Run.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 19, 2020 23:26:57 GMT
I just mean I can't imagine them blending solo with band content to any serious degree, and especially with something as likely divisive as SI and that time frame when they were not playing nice together.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 19, 2020 23:35:42 GMT
I just mean I can't imagine them blending solo with band content to any serious degree, and especially with something as likely divisive as SI and that time frame when they were not playing nice together. That's why I said it would probably never happen.  I'm just trying to think of ways to incentivize someone to purchase a potential "final years" box set. Maybe the fact that Still Cruisin' and Summer in Paradise have been out of print for probably 25+ years would be enough. Maybe this is where you could have the band come together to record a song or two to promote such a thing for say... a 60th anniversary.
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Post by kds on Apr 20, 2020 0:40:03 GMT
On TWGMTR not rocking, The Beach Boys and their members really hadn't done much in the way of rocking in the last few decades prior to 2012.
Sure, Mike and Bruce do a rock and roll show, but most if those songs are from the 60s. I'd rather Brian, Mike, Joe, etc deliver material in their comfort zone as men in their 70s, rather than some forced attempt at old glory.
And, thank God they elected not to re-record She Believes in Love Again. The last thing that album needed was for the Boys to revisit an older song.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 20, 2020 0:41:07 GMT
Various labels would certainly come into play, too, unless everyone involved retained ownership of their assorted unreleased work. Sweet Insanity was Sire (Warner Bros), TWGMTR and Still Cruisin are Capitol, SIP is just Brother. (Stars & Stripes was River North, if that matters to anyone. A subsidiary of Platinum Entertainment. Classy!)
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I'm just trying to think of ways to incentivize someone to purchase a potential "final years" box set. Maybe the fact that Still Cruisin' and Summer in Paradise have been out of print for probably 25+ years would be enough. Maybe this is where you could have the band come together to record a song or two to promote such a thing for say... a 60th anniversary. 
