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Post by Kapitan on Jul 8, 2022 14:36:12 GMT
Goddammit, my eyes again. Sorry, I couldn't help the involuntary eye roll when I read "Those records slapppppp." I know, I know, "get off my lawn" yada yada. I more or less hate all slang, to be honest. Its only real purpose is to make in- and out-groups. Old people hate new slang, young people mock old slang, nobody understands one another very well. If being (relatively) timeless is your goal, slang should be thrown out immediately. Nothing ages so badly as slang.
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Post by kds on Jul 8, 2022 14:40:26 GMT
Goddammit, my eyes again. Sorry, I couldn't help the involuntary eye roll when I read "Those records slapppppp." I know, I know, "get off my lawn" yada yada. I more or less hate all slang, to be honest. Its only real purpose is to make in- and out-groups. Old people hate new slang, young people mock old slang, nobody understands one another very well. If being (relatively) timeless is your goal, slang should be thrown out immediately. Nothing ages so badly as slang. I've never really been a fan of slang, even as a kid (despite my loving the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Bill & Ted, and Wayne's World). Maybe I've always been that grumpy old guy on the porch. Other than "cool," I can't really say I've ever used much in my vocabulary.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 8, 2022 14:44:24 GMT
I definitely have been known to fill dialogue with friends with slang in the form of movie references, but not really in normal conversation (and certainly not writing). So if I'd answer a "no way" with a "way!" it wasn't meant to be actual, cool slang, but just a shared beloved movie/TV (Wayne's World, of course!). But even there, I'm more likely to say a line than a slang term.
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Post by kds on Jul 8, 2022 14:51:33 GMT
I definitely have been known to fill dialogue with friends with slang in the form of movie references, but not really in normal conversation (and certainly not writing). So if I'd answer a "no way" with a "way!" it wasn't meant to be actual, cool slang, but just a shared beloved movie/TV (Wayne's World, of course!). But even there, I'm more likely to say a line than a slang term. I've definitely done the same. On the review of the Holy Diver reissue, I could not open the link because my work PC is being a little difficult today, but I've read that early in his career, Dio did not have the best reputation in the world. He fell out with the guys in Sabbath after two great albums. Then, I know he and Vivian Campbell had their differences, and I don't know if they ever reconciled before Ronnie died. I do think Dio mellowed a little bit later in life. In particular, I know the second reunion with Sabbath (under the Heaven and Hell banner this time) didn't have the same tension as the previous two incarnations. In fact, that reunion was only supposed to be for three new songs for a compilation, but it turned into three tours and a studio album, and probably would've lasted longer had Ronnie not passed away.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 19, 2022 18:27:18 GMT
This doesn't really fit any thread, but I just saw it and thought it was cool. Saul Hudson, better known as Slash, circa 1982. That would make him about 17 years old at the time of the picture.
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Post by kds on Aug 11, 2022 16:04:10 GMT
I caught some of a 2018 documentary on AXS last night called What Is Classic Rock www.imdb.com/title/tt6282380/I might have to try and watch the doc in full. The most interesting tidbit I saw was when the director differentiated between classic rock "the genre" and classic rock "the radio format." The "Classic Rock Genre" was defined as primarily guitar oriented rock music that originated in the 1960s and 1970s. The "Classic Rock Radio Format" was defined as an ever evolving radio format that tries to stay relevant to appeal to the demographic of roughly 30-50 year olds, which means including music from the 80s, 90s, and 00s that don't necessarily fall into the confines of the genre. One talking head made an interesting analogy, saying that the CR genre was like an art museum, where you can view exhibits from history, while the CR radio format is like an art gallery, where you can view an ever changing exhibit of current art. The differentiation seems so obvious, but I never really thought of it before, despite my saying in the past that I don't care what the radio says, I will never consider Nirvana, Green Day, or Three Doors Down as "classic rock."
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 21, 2022 12:16:18 GMT
Here is an article in the New Yorker, of all places, about an apparent reappraisal of Creedence Clearwater Revival. It talks about them as underappreciated, which I could see, but also says they were considered square in their own time. I didn't realize that, having not been around yet. I only knew they were wildly popular.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 21, 2022 12:48:43 GMT
Here is an article in the New Yorker, of all places, about an apparent reappraisal of Creedence Clearwater Revival. It talks about them as underappreciated, which I could see, but also says they were considered square in their own time. I didn't realize that, having not been around yet. I only knew they were wildly popular. That is an excellent article. The new documentary should be worth checking out.
For years, all I had was Chronicle and enjoyed it very much. Then, I eventually picked up Chronicle: Volume 2 and it was like "Whoa!"; I didn't know about this stuff, the non-singles. And then through reading message boards, I heard songs like "Ramble Tamble" which further blew me away.
I think oldies and classic hits radio stations have inadvertently and unintentionally hurt CCR's overall reputation and legacy. The stations mean well by playing CCR's hits consistently, but that's all they play are the hits. Well, over time you're gonna get tired of hearing those same old songs played over and over. I would think most music fans think that's all there is - "Proud Mary", "Bad Moon Rising", and "Down On The Corner". There is so much more.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 21, 2022 14:15:48 GMT
This is modestly funny: a century's worth of published articles about "modern music is awful/dangerous." Modern classical, ragtime, jazz, rock and roll, rap, it's all here.
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Post by kds on Aug 22, 2022 0:32:37 GMT
Here is an article in the New Yorker, of all places, about an apparent reappraisal of Creedence Clearwater Revival. It talks about them as underappreciated, which I could see, but also says they were considered square in their own time. I didn't realize that, having not been around yet. I only knew they were wildly popular. I can see how CCR sound and look pretty different from many other bands that rose up in the late 60s. I never really thought of them being underappreciated because I can't really think of a time where their music was out of fashion. But, I guess they can be in the same way The Beach Boys non hit material is.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2022 18:37:41 GMT
I wanted to share with you a telephone conversation I had last night. Because of privacy and confidentiality, I feel a little funny about sharing the other person's name and website (though both his name and website is public information). I didn't know if he ever did a Google search...well, you know what I mean. Anyway, I had a question about the singer below, and the gentleman's website is named after The Beach Boys' No. 1 single in 1988:
I will call my telephone contact "Jim". The website had Jim's name, mailing address, and phone number. I called, left a short voice mail, and five minutes later he called me back. I was blown away! I asked him my question and he proceeded to tell me stories for the next hour and a half. He is a scholar on this legendary singer. Jim was hired by RCA Records to assemble compilations, sequence the comps, provide information for the liner notes, and was consulted on future projects. The singer's wife called Jim one time because she wanted a certain song included on a comp. The recording engineer/producer, Al Schmitt, used to call Jim when he wanted to know which specific take was used for the original album/single. Schmitt used to ask him if he preferred the mono or stereo version of a particular song. Jim knew Ray Charles (not that one), the leader of The Ray Charles Singers. He had conversations with Ervin Drake who wrote "It Was A Very Good Year". He knew the singer's piano player and arranger and they would discuss how to arrange songs for live performances. This gentleman is 74 years old and has an encyclopedic memory. Off the top of his head he could name the song, the recording studio, the producer, and the engineer. He even remembered specific dates of the actual recordings. Some engineers who did the mixing and mastering would call Jim BEFORE the recording was released to get his opinion. He hates "fake" mono and "reprocessed" stereo. Jim once called the president of RCA Records to complain about a song that was ruined by applying some kind of noise reduction; they changed it back to the original source/sound. I'll stop there. Jim said I can call him or email him whenever I have a question. I think I might take him up on it.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 7, 2022 12:58:59 GMT
You'll have heard some, you won't have heard others. You'll be shocked by how many of these had Eric Clapton in them. (OK, maybe that's just my first thought as I peruse the list. But I got to the Ds and feel like there have been half a dozen Claptons already. [But there have only been three, I suppose.]) But here is a fun little article with a brief explanation of how 100 famous rock acts got their names.
The Bob Dylan one surprised me, in that I'd always heard that the Dylan name was from the poet Dylan Thomas. That's not the explanation given here.
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Post by kds on Oct 19, 2022 18:58:40 GMT
ultimateclassicrock.com/final-albums/I follow this website, Ultimate Classic Rock, even though their lists and articles tend to veer towards click bait territory. Possibly none more so than this list of final albums. For one, there's no clear criteria. How can a list of "final" albums include the final albums released by Lennon and Harrison while they were alive (while also mentioning their respective posthumous albums), but also include posthumous releases like Queen's Made In Heaven and Pink Floyd's The Endless River? I also think most Beach Boys fans would agree with me about a pretty big omission.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 19, 2022 19:25:44 GMT
Here's what confuses me: sometimes they go with "last album by the classic lineup," and so they list the Doors' LA Woman and even the Jimi Hendrix Experience's Electric Ladyland even though the Doors and Hendrix both released other albums, either without Morrison or without the Experience, respectively. But then they let the Velvet Underground's Squeeze in, and Kiss's Monster (which, if you're not counting the Doors, makes no sense). They include the aforementioned Queen Made In Heaven, but then they list Led Zeppelin's In Through the Out Door (instead of Coda) and Lennon's Double Fantasy (instead of Milk and Honey).
You can take any approach you want, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to which they picked. Not only did they not stick to a single criterion (classic lineup, last one alive, posthumous, whatever), but they also didn't even break rules to pick the best ones. I mean, if you want to stop with Electric Ladyland for Hendrix, why not Loaded for Velvet Underground?
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Post by kds on Oct 19, 2022 19:41:00 GMT
Right, it's really all over the place.
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