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Post by Kapitan on Aug 26, 2019 16:01:01 GMT
SJS mentioned in the KISS thread that they were a band whose new albums he stopped buying after Alive! I think most of us have been there, eventually deciding that this or that band was just not going to be part of our record-buying (or even listening) experience anymore for one reason or another. In that thread, I said it could be a thread of its own. And now it is. Right now, two of my favorite artists of all time fit into this list: Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan. I got into solo McCartney around Flaming Pie (though was before and after always a big Beatles fan), but I checked out again after Memory Almost Full. It wasn’t that I hated the music, it’s just that it seemed so by-the-numbers without anything rising above “pleasant” that I couldn’t justify spending the money or getting my hopes up that the genius would shine through. Dylan became interesting to me around Time Out of Mind, and I was in heaven in his ‘00s resurgence. I still rate Love & Theft among his five or six best albums ever. But his stuff really began losing me around his Christmas album. Then there was Tempest, still his last album of originals despite being seven years old now, which I didn’t and still don’t much like. And then the standards albums: I just had no interest in those. Granted, if he returns with another all-originals album, I’m probably in again. But for now, he can keep releasing covers and archival albums, and I’m likely to keep ignoring them. There are others. U2 wasn’t ever a favorite, but I was a fan up through Achtung Baby. I was lukewarm on the so-called experimental things that followed, but when the return to form All That You Can’t Leave Behind sounded like an imitation of U2, I was done. The Flaming Lips fit in around here as well, a band I got really into for just a few albums in the late 90s and early 00s, but then abandoned entirely when it just felt like more of the same. There are more, but let’s hear some of yours.
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Post by kds on Aug 26, 2019 16:12:44 GMT
I have a few actually.
Paul McCartney is also one of mine. I probably got into solo Paul sometime between Off the Ground and Flaming Pie (can't remember exactly when). I loved Flaming Pie. I thought Driving Rain had some good songs, but a lot of weaker material. I never got the hype around Chaos and Creation. I got Memory Almost Full, and thought it was dreadful, and I've not bought another Paul album since. Nothing I've heard from recent years makes me want to try anything either.
Bon Jovi - Grew up a Bon Jovi fan. Loved their 2000 comeback album Crush. But, as the 2000s wore on, they got more and more contemporary, and sounded less and less like Bon Jovi. The country pop crossover was the last straw.
Godsmack - The late 90s / early 00s was such a terrible time for new rock music that I was clutching at straws to try to find a new band. I liked some of Godsmack's music I heard from their 1997 debut, and I liked their second album even more. My friends and I would listen to them quite often in 2000-2001, and we even saw them live in 2001. But, I think I actually outgrew them after being very unimpressed with their third album around 2003. Unlike Macca and Bon Jovi, I don't listen to any of Godsmack's material, and have completely checked out.
Disturbed - Similar to Godsmack, another newer band from around 2000 I liked, then lost interest in. Although, there's still some material from their first two or three albums I listen to today. I'm sort of glad I checked out on them years before their absolutely horrid cover of Sound of Silence.
U2 - I still love a lot of their 80s material. The second half of the 90s was dreadful. I kinda liked their U2 Lite albums from 2000 and 2004, but I don't think those songs really endured the test of time, and I've heard nothing from them since that I feel is worthwhile.
Evergrey - Chalk this one up more to my laziness. I got into Evergrey around 2003 or so, when I stumbled upon them on the rebooted Headbangers Ball on MTV2. I loved, and still love, their 2003 Recreation Day album, and their 2004 released The Inner Circle. But, somewhere along the line, I stopped following these symphonic metal bands. At some point, I'll likely try out some of their material from the last 15 years.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 13:22:56 GMT
For me personally, $$$$$$$ played a huge part in my music purchasing habits. From the time I was a teenager into the early adult adult years - my prime music purchasing years - it seemed like I was always budgeting and had other obligations to consider. Even though an album ranged from $5.00 to $20.00, I was never able to just go into a record store and buy every record that I wanted. And then it got to the point where I would "weigh" one potential purchase against another. Which album do I really need? Which album will I really play? Will it get repeated plays or will it quickly end up on the shelf? Do I want to experiment? Should I take a chance? I think I still contemplate music purchases this way!
Just because I stopped purchasing a certain group's albums didn't necessarily mean I had anything "against" that band. It was just that somebody new moved into town. A new face. The Next Big Thing. An experiment. Somebody I heard on the radio. Somebody I read about. I might've even followed the crowd in buying something...popular. Maybe they knew something I didn't.
A few of the casualties? I bought The Ramones' first three albums and loved them all. Their third album, Rocket To Russia, might be their best album. But you have to admit there was some sameness with that group.
KISS was another one. How great were those first three studio albums? That was a tough decision, but as I mentioned in the KISS thread, I had a buddy who continued to buy their albums so I simply went over to his house to enjoy them. I know you guys are shortly going to tell me that KISS's best albums were yet to come. While I like a lot of the post-Alive stuff, I was never tempted to go back. Purchase a compilation? Yes, absolutely.
I loved Blue Oyster Cult's first three studio albums and the live one, On Your Feet Or On Your Knees. Very underrated albums. Still hidden gems I think. At that time, BOC might've been one of my Top 5 bands. But then, after Agents Of Fortune and Spectres and Some Enchanted Evening, for some reason - I'm still not sure why - I moved on from them.
Other minor ones were Ted Nugent, Paul McCartney, The Stranglers (check out their first three albums!), and Queen.
Bob Dylan was an interesting one. I liked his 1962-1975 period. Who didn't? Then he lost me for awhile until I finally saw him live in the early 2000's. Just seeing him live caused a rebirth and I started to purchase the "later" albums starting with 1989's Oh Mercy. But you know what? Dylan lost me again. I thought Together Through Life was weak, Christmas In the Heart was a disaster, and Tempest was boring. I DIDN'T follow Dylan into his next "crooning" phase.
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Post by kds on Aug 27, 2019 14:01:51 GMT
Regarding, BOC, I do think there was a temporary drop off after Spectres, but they redeemed themselves with the Fire of Unknown Origin album.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 14:04:26 GMT
Regarding, BOC, I do think there was a temporary drop off after Spectres, but they redeemed themselves with the Fire of Unknown Origin album. One of these days I'm going to complete the BOC catalogue. They're on my list, but that list keeps growing.
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Post by kds on Aug 27, 2019 14:34:02 GMT
Regarding, BOC, I do think there was a temporary drop off after Spectres, but they redeemed themselves with the Fire of Unknown Origin album. One of these days I'm going to complete the BOC catalogue. They're on my list, but that list keeps growing. I've still not completed mine. I've not been in a hurry to pick up most of their later albums.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 14:53:56 GMT
One of these days I'm going to complete the BOC catalogue. They're on my list, but that list keeps growing. I've still not completed mine. I've not been in a hurry to pick up most of their later albums. I'm in no hurry either, then I'll check Amazon and see these CDs on sale for $4.99 or $5.99, and with just a swipe of the credit card you could complete quite a few catalogues!
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Post by kds on Aug 27, 2019 15:00:06 GMT
I've still not completed mine. I've not been in a hurry to pick up most of their later albums. I'm in no hurry either, then I'll check Amazon and see these CDs on sale for $4.99 or $5.99, and with just a swipe of the credit card you could complete quite a few catalogues! I've actually been in no real hurry because the songs from those albums that appear on the BOC comps I have aren't as good as the "worst" songs on their first five albums. Yeah, it's actually a great time to collect catalog CDs right now. If I had more time to devote to listening to CDs, I'd be buying a lot more. I did pick up the Doors post Jim two fer. Haven't listened to Full Circle yet. Other Voices was alright.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 17:56:54 GMT
I'm in no hurry either, then I'll check Amazon and see these CDs on sale for $4.99 or $5.99, and with just a swipe of the credit card you could complete quite a few catalogues! I've actually been in no real hurry because the songs from those albums that appear on the BOC comps I have aren't as good as the "worst" songs on their first five albums. Yeah, it's actually a great time to collect catalog CDs right now. If I had more time to devote to listening to CDs, I'd be buying a lot more. I did pick up the Doors post Jim two fer. Haven't listened to Full Circle yet. Other Voices was alright. I love Other Voices and Full Circle, but I can understand why many people - including Doors' fans - don't. I think the band did the right thing in reissuing/repackaging those two albums together. But, I also think a "best of" post-Morrison comp featuring the four or five best songs from Other Voices and the four or five best songs from Full Circle, along with a couple of rarities including "Tree Trunk" and some live cuts would be awesome. I have an idea for a DVD to accompany it. In 1972, the post-Jim Doors with a couple of backing musicians appeared on The Beat Club show. Some of that show is on YouTube. I'd like to see that come out on DVD.
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Post by kds on Aug 27, 2019 18:05:45 GMT
I've actually been in no real hurry because the songs from those albums that appear on the BOC comps I have aren't as good as the "worst" songs on their first five albums. Yeah, it's actually a great time to collect catalog CDs right now. If I had more time to devote to listening to CDs, I'd be buying a lot more. I did pick up the Doors post Jim two fer. Haven't listened to Full Circle yet. Other Voices was alright. I love Other Voices and Full Circle, but I can understand why many people - including Doors' fans - don't. I think the band did the right thing in reissuing/repackaging those two albums together. But, I also think a "best of" post-Morrison comp featuring the four or five best songs from Other Voices and the four or five best songs from Full Circle, along with a couple of rarities including "Tree Trunk" and some live cuts would be awesome. I have an idea for a DVD to accompany it. In 1972, the post-Jim Doors with a couple of backing musicians appeared on The Beat Club show. Some of that show is on YouTube. I'd like to see that come out on DVD.
It's a testament to how much time I spend listening to music that I've had Full Circle on CD in my possession for about a month now, and have yet to listen to it. Even worse than that, I still haven't listened to the CD companion to the Isle of Wight concert either, and I got that for Christmas.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 18:18:56 GMT
Here's something for this thread. In 2017, The Doors started releasing these 50th Anniversary Edition CDs, in 2017 for The Doors and Strange Days, in 2018 for Waiting For The Sun, and this year for The Soft Parade. I did not purchase any of them. Actually I didn't buy the 40th Anniversary Editions either. I heard several of the special mixes on Spotify and YouTube. Meh...
Honestly, many years ago when I was much younger and a new(er) fan, I probably would've scarfed them up. But now, I just don't have the interest. I don't feel like buying all of that music...again. I'm a bit of a purist and some of those mixes - while intriguing I admit - are kinda gimmicky, too. I think they might fall into the category of listening to a coupla times and then shelving them.
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Post by kds on Aug 27, 2019 18:36:18 GMT
Here's something for this thread. In 2017, The Doors started releasing these 50th Anniversary Edition CDs, in 2017 for The Doors and Strange Days, in 2018 for Waiting For The Sun, and this year for The Soft Parade. I did not purchase any of them. Actually I didn't buy the 40th Anniversary Editions either. I heard several of the special mixes on Spotify and YouTube. Meh...
Honestly, many years ago when I was much younger and a new(er) fan, I probably would've scarfed them up. But now, I just don't have the interest. I don't feel like buying all of that music...again. I'm a bit of a purist and some of those mixes - while intriguing I admit - are kinda gimmicky, too. I think they might fall into the category of listening to a coupla times and then shelving them.
As a whole, I don't tend to go for reissues. For one, I don't have the disposable income that I could blow on CDs like I did in my 20s, so I'm surely not going to spend money buying deluxe editions of albums I already have. In my 20s, I wouldn't have blinked at the mega deluxe Pink Floyd Immersion / Early Days releases. But, the way I see it now, the bonus tracks, remixes, whatever, etc are tracks I'm not likely to listen to often. I actually do have some reissues by the likes of Queen, The Who, Deep Purple, and Uriah Heep because those were the editions available when I started buying their catalogs. But I really don't listen to anything other than the album proper. So, yeah, chalk up reissues as not an artist I've checked out on, but a trend. And sort of in that same vein, endless later era live releases from legacy bands. Deep Purple and The Who in particular have released a ton of live material from the current versions of the band. There was a time I considered myself a completest with both bands, and these later era live releases have broken me of that.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 27, 2019 20:26:58 GMT
Yes, reissues are indeed a different animal...very thought-provoking. Do I want to buy a whole new CD for one or two new songs? Is the remastering THAT good? Will I ultimately be disappointed? Do I want to buy it just to have it; maybe I'll appreciate it down the road.
And then what do you do with the old CDs? I must've purchased - and then given away - five or six Pet Sounds CDs through the years. Hell, I've sold mint condition Pet Sounds CDs at yard sales for a buck.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 28, 2019 0:46:15 GMT
I’ve been really hit and miss with reissues. Usually I require goodies, but even that shows diminishing returns. The old BBs ones would include a few and I was in heaven. Now Dylan and the Beatles are releasing massive sets 2-5x the duration of the album in question, and yet I quite literally can’t be bothered.
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Post by kds on Aug 28, 2019 12:11:57 GMT
I’ve been really hit and miss with reissues. Usually I require goodies, but even that shows diminishing returns. The old BBs ones would include a few and I was in heaven. Now Dylan and the Beatles are releasing massive sets 2-5x the duration of the album in question, and yet I quite literally can’t be bothered. Ten years ago, I'd have started saving money for these Beatles sets. But, now, I feel like The Anthology Set really gives me all the rare Beatles I need.
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