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Post by carllove on Jan 1, 2024 6:14:54 GMT
Ok - so I just watched “Lynyrd Skynyrd” perform tonight to audience acclaim on Nashville’s Big Bash. Is this what will happen to The Beach Boys, once Mike passes on?
I mean the band called “Lynyrd Skynyrd” sounded good tonight, but Come On? I love Darian and Christian Love, but if Al, Bruce or Mike aren’t involved, are they really even a semblance of The Boys? When does it really end?
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 1, 2024 13:41:33 GMT
It's a good question, and what I was getting at in this thread. I think it is a very realistic possibility, with Christian even saying so in that podcast he did last fall. It definitely won't have the same sentimental value for anyone who knew the earlier iterations of the band. But me being an old grouch, I also question how much "authenticity" (one of my least valued traits) there is for a band whose lineup has relied on outsiders for 50+ years and had very few principals for the bulk of the past 20-25 anyway. So if you go from 1-2 principals (one of whose duties have been extremely limited anyway) to zero, is the product that much worse? Is it any worse, audience emotions notwithstanding? I'm not sure. Edit - I should add, though, would I go to see such a "Beach Boys?" Well, it depends on who exactly is participating, how they sound, where they play, and what they charge ... but it's pretty unlikely.
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Post by jk on Jan 1, 2024 13:41:40 GMT
Ok - so I just watched “Lynyrd Skynyrd” perform tonight to audience acclaim on Nashville’s Big Bash. Is this what will happen to The Beach Boys, once Mike passes on? I mean the band called “Lynyrd Skynyrd” sounded good tonight, but Come On? I love Darian and Christian Love, but if Al, Bruce or Mike aren’t involved, are they really even a semblance of The Boys? When does it really end? Hi CL. I see your point. Once all the founding members and Bruce are retired or gone, it would be great if their music lived on in live performances by their former backing musicians and the next generation of Loves, Jardines and Wilsons. But please do it under another name! How about The Beach Children? Anything really, except The Beach Boys...
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Post by kds on Jan 1, 2024 15:37:21 GMT
The one thing I can say about the current Skynyrd.
At least they're not cartoons.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 1, 2024 16:21:55 GMT
To answer the thread's question...they're already there. I know, I know, The Beach Boys have a few original members still alive (it feels weird saying that) and the live band still has one and a half original members, but let's not kid ourselves. The Beach Boys as we knew them - any era pre-2013 - ceases to exist. Yes, you can make the argument that the band always had members coming and going, so why is this any different? To me, it just is. I'm not speaking legally or mathematically; I'm just going by feel. I saw "The Beach Boys" a few times over the last few years and had a great time. It was a very professional show. The setlists were fine. The performances were fine. But, something was missing, something was nagging at me. I realize now I kept (subconsciously?) asking myself - who are these guys? I literally had to do some research and write down the names - and instruments played! - of the individual band members so I could inform my buddies who went to the concert with me.
This...feeling...didn't happen overnight. It started in 2013 after the reunion imploded. I was still hanging in there as recognizing and respecting the touring band as some type of Beach Boys. Heck, I was even holding out hope for another reunion, or even Al going back to The Beach Boys after Brian retired. But, as each year came and went, and as each concert I saw came and went, I couldn't escape the "tribute band" vibe or feeling. And, going into 2024, I feel the same way.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 1, 2024 16:43:52 GMT
Sheriff John Stone, I wonder if what you feel has to do with what C50 did: remind everyone of what could have been all those years from 96 to 12, so that when things went "back to normal," it just felt even more like a slap in the face. Rather than taking advantage of fast-passing time, they chose their own personal preferences and priorities. And I get that, we all have a right to do that. We all do it in our own lives and professions. But as a fan, especially amidst the B.S. "we're all family, we love each other, we love getting together" talk, it was definitely not a pleasant way to proceed.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 1, 2024 17:03:56 GMT
Sheriff John Stone , I wonder if what you feel has to do with what C50 did: remind everyone of what could have been all those years from 96 to 12, so that when things went "back to normal," it just felt even more like a slap in the face. Rather than taking advantage of fast-passing time, they chose their own personal preferences and priorities. And I get that, we all have a right to do that. We all do it in our own lives and professions. But as a fan, especially amidst the B.S. "we're all family, we love each other, we love getting together" talk, it was definitely not a pleasant way to proceed. To some extent, yes, I suppose the C50 implosion left a sour taste in my mouth, one that still exists. It absolutely did show what was missing all those years, what could've been and what could still be going forward. And, just like that, it was gone.
I said in my above post that I don't view the status or lineup of The Beach Boys mathematically, but in some way(s) I do. Just one member - two would be a bonus - can make a tremendous difference. Forget Brian for a minute. Just having Al Jardine back in the band would've made a tremendous difference. A familiar face, a familiar voice, a valuable link to the past. Or even Blondie Chaplin. Just by seeing/hearing Blondie perform "Sail On Sailor" or "Wild Honey" or even "Long Promised Road" or "Feel Flows" - in a Beach Boys' lineup - does make a difference. And then there's David Marks, too. Now, if you give me a 2024 Beach Boys that includes Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and Blondie Chaplin...now we're talking.
I don't know if I have the energy right now to address it or post about it in detail, but it goes back to this band and (the lack of) management not being able to get together and/or make decisions that would be the best possible...whatever. Put your own whatever in there. Best possible touring Beach Boys. A Beach Boys that could record a new album. A Beach Boys that can even get together for a photo shoot or interview. A Beach Boys that can simply meet at Al's barn and hang out together.
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Post by carllove on Jan 3, 2024 2:03:05 GMT
Sheriff John Stone , I wonder if what you feel has to do with what C50 did: remind everyone of what could have been all those years from 96 to 12, so that when things went "back to normal," it just felt even more like a slap in the face. Rather than taking advantage of fast-passing time, they chose their own personal preferences and priorities. And I get that, we all have a right to do that. We all do it in our own lives and professions. But as a fan, especially amidst the B.S. "we're all family, we love each other, we love getting together" talk, it was definitely not a pleasant way to proceed. To some extent, yes, I suppose the C50 implosion left a sour taste in my mouth, one that still exists. It absolutely did show what was missing all those years, what could've been and what could still be going forward. And, just like that, it was gone.
I said in my above post that I don't view the status or lineup of The Beach Boys mathematically, but in some way(s) I do. Just one member - two would be a bonus - can make a tremendous difference. Forget Brian for a minute. Just having Al Jardine back in the band would've made a tremendous difference. A familiar face, a familiar voice, a valuable link to the past. Or even Blondie Chaplin. Just by seeing/hearing Blondie perform "Sail On Sailor" or "Wild Honey" or even "Long Promised Road" or "Feel Flows" - in a Beach Boys' lineup - does make a difference. And then there's David Marks, too. Now, if you give me a 2024 Beach Boys that includes Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and Blondie Chaplin...now we're talking.
I don't know if I have the energy right now to address it or post about it in detail, but it goes back to this band and (the lack of) management not being able to get together and/or make decisions that would be the best possible...whatever. Put your own whatever in there. Best possible touring Beach Boys. A Beach Boys that could record a new album. A Beach Boys that can even get together for a photo shoot or interview. A Beach Boys that can simply meet at Al's barn and hang out together.
Sheriff, I agree on how having just one member can make a difference. I really enjoyed Blondie’s performance on Brian’s 80th Birthday. I would love to see a band with Al, Blondie, Mike and Bruce, but if just one of them is left, I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone of them being in a band called The Beach Boys (and yes, that includes Blondie). It just seemed so wierd to me seeing “Lynyrd Skynyrd” performing with no original members. They sounded great, but hmmm. i did see Badfinger with only one original member in 1987 (Joey Molland) and I will never forget it. They were wonderful. I didn’t know until later about Tom and Pete.
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Post by carllove on Jan 3, 2024 2:36:31 GMT
The one thing I can say about the current Skynyrd. At least they're not cartoons. I do have to say - They did sound great - I really enjoyed the performance. I know Johnny has been singing with Skynyrd since 1987 and yes, I suppose Rickey counts as an original member, even though he wasn’t active during the best days of the band (It would be like if David Marks came back) but when Gary Rossington passed away this year, I just felt like the real LS died.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 3, 2024 19:48:35 GMT
To some extent, yes, I suppose the C50 implosion left a sour taste in my mouth, one that still exists. It absolutely did show what was missing all those years, what could've been and what could still be going forward. And, just like that, it was gone.
I said in my above post that I don't view the status or lineup of The Beach Boys mathematically, but in some way(s) I do. Just one member - two would be a bonus - can make a tremendous difference. Forget Brian for a minute. Just having Al Jardine back in the band would've made a tremendous difference. A familiar face, a familiar voice, a valuable link to the past. Or even Blondie Chaplin. Just by seeing/hearing Blondie perform "Sail On Sailor" or "Wild Honey" or even "Long Promised Road" or "Feel Flows" - in a Beach Boys' lineup - does make a difference. And then there's David Marks, too. Now, if you give me a 2024 Beach Boys that includes Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and Blondie Chaplin...now we're talking.
I don't know if I have the energy right now to address it or post about it in detail, but it goes back to this band and (the lack of) management not being able to get together and/or make decisions that would be the best possible...whatever. Put your own whatever in there. Best possible touring Beach Boys. A Beach Boys that could record a new album. A Beach Boys that can even get together for a photo shoot or interview. A Beach Boys that can simply meet at Al's barn and hang out together.
Sheriff, I agree on how having just one member can make a difference. I really enjoyed Blondie’s performance on Brian’s 80th Birthday. I would love to see a band with Al, Blondie, Mike and Bruce, but if just one of them is left, I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone of them being in a band called The Beach Boys (and yes, that includes Blondie). It just seemed so wierd to me seeing “Lynyrd Skynyrd” performing with no original members. They sounded great, but hmmm. i did see Badfinger with only one original member in 1987 (Joey Molland) and I will never forget it. They were wonderful. I didn’t know until later about Tom and Pete. The lineup you saw may have had their original drummer, Mike Gibbins, as well. He was in and out of the touring band up till around 1990. For me, the real Beach Boys ended when Carl died in 1998. I waited 20 years to see the touring band because I just could not accept Mike (and his cardboard cutout of Bruce) with a bunch of nobodies as the Beach Boys. Time changes things, and I do accept Mike's Beach Boys as the real thing - but not real in the same way as any lineup with Mike/Al/Carl/Dennis/Bruce. Yes, it would be nice if David Marks was still part of the road band. It would be great if Al was with them. Blondie? Honestly, I never think of Blondie when I think Beach Boys. Ricky? I think Rutles. Skynyrd, for me, died when that plane went down in ...1977? My brother lives and breathes classic rock radio, so I've heard What's Your Name/That Smell/Freebird/Sweet Home Alabama more times than I can count. I don't know that I've ever heard anything by any of the latter day lineups. Of course, people will say the same thing about the Beach Boys.
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Post by kds on Jan 4, 2024 4:11:40 GMT
To some extent, yes, I suppose the C50 implosion left a sour taste in my mouth, one that still exists. It absolutely did show what was missing all those years, what could've been and what could still be going forward. And, just like that, it was gone.
I said in my above post that I don't view the status or lineup of The Beach Boys mathematically, but in some way(s) I do. Just one member - two would be a bonus - can make a tremendous difference. Forget Brian for a minute. Just having Al Jardine back in the band would've made a tremendous difference. A familiar face, a familiar voice, a valuable link to the past. Or even Blondie Chaplin. Just by seeing/hearing Blondie perform "Sail On Sailor" or "Wild Honey" or even "Long Promised Road" or "Feel Flows" - in a Beach Boys' lineup - does make a difference. And then there's David Marks, too. Now, if you give me a 2024 Beach Boys that includes Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, and Blondie Chaplin...now we're talking.
I don't know if I have the energy right now to address it or post about it in detail, but it goes back to this band and (the lack of) management not being able to get together and/or make decisions that would be the best possible...whatever. Put your own whatever in there. Best possible touring Beach Boys. A Beach Boys that could record a new album. A Beach Boys that can even get together for a photo shoot or interview. A Beach Boys that can simply meet at Al's barn and hang out together.
Sheriff, I agree on how having just one member can make a difference. I really enjoyed Blondie’s performance on Brian’s 80th Birthday. I would love to see a band with Al, Blondie, Mike and Bruce, but if just one of them is left, I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone of them being in a band called The Beach Boys (and yes, that includes Blondie). It just seemed so wierd to me seeing “Lynyrd Skynyrd” performing with no original members. They sounded great, but hmmm. i did see Badfinger with only one original member in 1987 (Joey Molland) and I will never forget it. They were wonderful. I didn’t know until later about Tom and Pete. I saw Joey Molland's Badfinger around 2007 or so. Around the same time, I saw The Yardbirds, with Chris Dreja and Jim McCarty as the sole classic members. Both were really good shows.
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