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Post by Kapitan on May 4, 2023 23:12:29 GMT
This is not specifically BBs related, but it's AI related (which, based on this thread, i felt was appropriate). Music personality Rick Beato discusses some possible futures related to AI. (And for those of us who really like real artists playing real instruments together to make real music, I hate to say, the predictions are not positive.)
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Post by lonelysummer on May 5, 2023 1:24:50 GMT
This is not specifically BBs related, but it's AI related (which, based on this thread, i felt was appropriate). Music personality Rick Beato discusses some possible futures related to AI. (And for those of us who really like real artists playing real instruments together to make real music, I hate to say, the predictions are not positive.) Aww, who needs human beings! With Al, we can have new "brian wilson" music forever. Brian Wilson, the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley...anything us seriously flawed humans can do well, Al can do even better!
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 20, 2023 13:54:15 GMT
"A Day In The Life Of A Tree" with a Brian Wilson AI lead vocal:
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 29, 2023 12:38:57 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 6, 2023 12:47:05 GMT
Through the years, it's been written that Brian Wilson offered "Still I Dream Of It" to Frank Sinatra. Well, here ya go:
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 6, 2023 14:00:52 GMT
Through the years, it's been written that Brian Wilson offered "Still I Dream Of It" to Frank Sinatra. Well, here ya go:
That sounded good in spots, but overall it just sounded like Brian's voice was Sinatra-ized, which assume is more or less how it was created.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 7, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
I wonder how today's (and tomorrow's) teenagers are going to approach this kind of thing in popular music. For us, it's a novelty. A wave of "firsts" that we click on, watch, consider. A way to experience what never happened and never can happen.
But how will people for whom AI generated music is just normal think about it? Would a Frank Sinatra's "Still I Dream of It" be as real as the versions Brian recorded? Or (more likely to them) will some inhuman "artist" be a favorite, even with words and music written and performed by AI? Will the human input (or lack of same) matter?
I ask because these things really do change. Consider how big a deal, how big a sin, lip syncing was a couple decades ago. It more or less ended the careers of Milli Vanilli and, a decade later, Ashley Simpson. Now it's normal not just in pop, but in rock. (Motley Crue's guitarist claims the group didn't just use backing tracks live to supplement the performance, but instead of the drums, bass, and vocal performances.)
If live performance doesn't matter, will recorded performance?
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 8, 2023 16:59:15 GMT
This one is really good, and I don't think I ever read about the two-part song idea, either.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 8, 2023 17:05:59 GMT
Astounding. I'd never heard it was meant as a medley, either (so far as I can recall, anyway).
For a certain type of nerd, here is a deep dive by the creator:
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 8, 2023 17:34:17 GMT
This is the kind of stuff I love when it comes to AI. I'll include Still I Dream of It since it was written for Sinatra (or someone similar) to sing. There are so many songs that could be completed. It gets murky when you start adding lyrics that weren't there from the beginning, but what if it was done officially? I can't imagine he's up for it, but think about Brian just composing music or Mike finishing lyrics for incomplete songs. Then run it through AI vocals and you have a pretty authentic album. I could see in the future that becoming the norm for old artists that don't sound like they used to, but still want to create. Sort of a new age autotune.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 9, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
I know there's a lot of differing opinions when it comes to these AI vocals. Some love 'em and some hate 'em. I'm somewhere in the middle, but maybe leaning more toward the positive. This I'm pretty sure of. This...process...is fairly new. Yes, some of the efforts are really quite good. If you closed your eyes and DIDN'T KNOW it was AI, you might be more accepting. And, I've also heard some that were pretty forced and pretty weak. However, I do believe that this technology is going to be improved, mastered, perfected, whatever, and I think someday you will hear vocals that are gonna be spot on and, frankly, mind-blowing.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 9, 2023 12:38:09 GMT
For me, it's more a philosophical thing, I guess. The technology is astounding, and the work that goes into getting it right is impressive. It's more a question of, "what is the result?" Example: I've heard a lot of people argue that DJs (or producers from that world) aren't "real" musicians. They aren't playing anything: they're taking things that someone else played and recorded, and building sound collages from it. For that matter, visual artists who work in collage could be debated similarly. If you take someone else's photographs and put them through assorted filters for color tweaking, how much is that your artistic achievement? Is someone who basically programs music to sound like a performance really a musician? Do we relate to the results in the same way we relate to actual performance? What does it mean to traditional musicians, performers? I am in the middle, like Sheriff John Stone. I'm curious in, and astounded by, the possibilities and these early results. But I'm also generally leery of what it could mean. (Could be I'm just in "get off my lawn" territory, though.)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 9, 2023 13:12:37 GMT
Oh, I'm very leery of where this thing leads. Like I said, I'm fascinated by it, and it could (will!) evolve into something great and fulfilling. And I can see myself enjoying it quite a bit. I already put an AI version of "Guess I'm Dumb" with a BW vocal on my alternate The Beach Boys Today! But, I'm also pretty sure the lawyers are going to have a field day. New copyright laws will have to be written. It's going to be a legal mess.
I haven't begun to deal with the philosophical aspect yet. I'm still seeing/hearing it as some people messing around, having fun, experimenting, than actually producing art. I'm sure for some that is a part of the equation, but, again, I'm just trying to enjoy it. I'll deal with the motivations later.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 26, 2023 14:11:13 GMT
This is pretty good, one of the better AI versions I've heard. Being a little picky, I kinda wish they would've left Marilyn's part in. After listening to the song for 45 years, I'm so used to her coming in.
While I've always loved the song, somehow this version brings out just how strong of a song ""Let's Put Our Hearts Together" is.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 26, 2023 14:51:49 GMT
That is really good. And at least since hearing Darian Sahanaja's "Do You Have Any Regrets?" and "I Wanna Pick You Up," I've longed for so many other examples along these lines. For example, much of GIOMH with prime Beach Boys vocals, and while it is already very good as it is, the same for TLOS. Love You is another prime candidate for that treatment. For me, so is BW88.
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