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Post by beachboystalkmatt on Mar 4, 2023 16:47:54 GMT
Greg and I are so excited to welcome Howie Edelson to the show this week! We will be talking to him about his career and experiences with The Beach Boys. We will also ask him about the box sets and the creative process behind them. Join us Tuesday at 8EST on YouTube and Facebook.
What would you like for the next BB release? I would love a 15 Big Ones, Love You, MIU box set.
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Post by jk on Mar 4, 2023 18:41:34 GMT
Greg and I are so excited to welcome Howie Edelson to the show this week! We will be talking to him about his career and experiences with The Beach Boys. We will also ask him about the box sets and the creative process behind them. Join us Tuesday at 8EST on YouTube and Facebook. What would you like for the next BB release? I would love a 15 Big Ones, Love You, MIU box set. I'm not into box sets but I'm really looking forward to seeing Howie (though not live) and getting some idea of what makes him tick. I recall we had a brief run-in at Smiley about where the Scott Bennett issue belonged (I thought the Sandbox as a non-musical topic, he thought the main section as big BB news). So yes, a rounded picture of the man will be most welcome!
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 4, 2023 19:29:11 GMT
We were just talking about potential future box sets / copyright releases somewhere around here, somewhat ironically including some discussion about Howie Edelson's own input.
I look forward to the interview, but I have to admit there is something about Howie that rubs me the wrong way sometimes. I don't know him and want to be careful to say my impressions are only that, and I'm not important in the big picture, only to myself. But sometimes I think he comes across (as does Jon Stebbins) as a self-appointed arbiter of cool. I don't like that. As I said in that aforementioned discussion, he was a big champion of the Sunshine Tomorrow and Feel Flows sets in particular, but it struck me as from an angle of "see? The Beach Boys were cool as a classic rock band." And I don't see the need to fit them into a classic rock context or any other. Similarly I don't want to be lectured about Dennis or Carl (and sometimes implicitly, maybe sometimes more explicitly, how lame Mike Love is, or whatever).
More personally, Howie has always been on that hobby horse that a few other longtime BB message boarders are, where whenever some disagreement comes up, they go to "you don't even post under your real name! You're just some anonymous troll!" That very much rubs me the wrong way, in part because (as I've said before) it's one thing for people whose livings or profesional reputations are at least in part based on things like their participation online about this or other bands. When you're selling books, or hosting radio shows, or whatever, yes, you want to be known as who you are. But for regular joes, there are a million reasons why you might not want to use your real name in that context. It has nothing to do with being a troll unless your behavior is trollish. That's just my own pet peeve.
I do look forward to hearing the interview. And I do thank Howie for his championing of the band. He has been important in these recent years.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 4, 2023 19:47:55 GMT
What he said ^.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 8, 2023 17:42:47 GMT
This was one of the best shows so far. I'm usually most interested in the other musicians' interviews, but in this case, Howie Edelson brought a legitimate insider's view to the machinations of it all: the business, the promotion, and so on.
One thing early on that struck me was that he had been a huge Beatles fan, and never thought he'd find "another Beatles" until he really discovered the depths of the Beach Boys' catalog. I get that. I had a few other bands that fit similar categories for me through the years with Queen, Led Zeppelin, and Zappa. But the Beach Boys--the last of those aforementioned bands to grab my attention--somehow topped them all for me.
He also said some things that give me some hope in future copyright-related releases. As I've said here, I have been skeptical about their future as we get into these next eras, with the exception of the (to me, obvious) Brian's Back era of 15BO, Love You, and Adult Child. But he talks about some great stuff from the Caribou period, even saying he personally would like to see future releases not include the proper albums at all, but just new goodies. (He mentioned as a personal hope of his a Caribou-to-Iowa set that would cover unreleased material from 75-78.)
Of course, what Howie Edelson sees, what Howie Edelson wants, and what is eventually released (and in what formats) are all different things. But it was an interesting discussion, and as I said, it gave me some hope that we haven't seen the end of the really good stuff, even if my personal favorite era is the one we're leaving after Sail On Sailor.
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Post by jk on Mar 8, 2023 19:53:38 GMT
I'm sorry but I stopped watching less than twenty minutes into the interview Howie just rubbed me up the wrong way. Bad chemistry, I suppose...
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 8, 2023 21:47:24 GMT
I'm sorry but I stopped watching less than twenty minutes into the interview Howie just rubbed me up the wrong way. Bad chemistry, I suppose... I see nothing to apologize for. But anyway, regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy himself, he had a lot of good info and gave me reason for optimism about future archival releases. I do appreciate the work he's doing in that regard.
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Post by jk on Mar 9, 2023 11:41:47 GMT
I'm sorry but I stopped watching less than twenty minutes into the interview. Howie just rubbed me up the wrong way. Bad chemistry, I suppose... I see nothing to apologize for. But anyway, regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy himself, he had a lot of good info and gave me reason for optimism about future archival releases. I do appreciate the work he's doing in that regard. I think that's the problem for me in terms of what he has to say, quite apart from the clash of personalities. I have no interest in box sets of archival releases. But I quite understand that just about everyone else is interested in them, and that's absolutely fine with me.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 9, 2023 12:17:03 GMT
I see nothing to apologize for. But anyway, regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy himself, he had a lot of good info and gave me reason for optimism about future archival releases. I do appreciate the work he's doing in that regard. I think that's the problem for me in terms of what he has to say, quite apart from the clash of personalities. I have no interest in box sets of archival releases. But I quite understand that just about everyone else is interested in them, and that's absolutely fine with me. With the ages of the guys and the state of affairs with the band (which I can't see changing), I think, sadly, we are at that stage in The Beach Boys' career/history where boxed sets or anthologies are all that's left. As fans that's hard to accept but that's where we are.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 9, 2023 12:21:36 GMT
I think that's the problem for me in terms of what he has to say, quite apart from the clash of personalities. I have no interest in box sets of archival releases. But I quite understand that just about everyone else is interested in them, and that's absolutely fine with me. With the ages of the guys and the state of affairs with the band (which I can't see changing), I think, sadly, we are at that stage in The Beach Boys' career/history where boxed sets or anthologies are all that's left. As fans that's hard to accept but that's where we are. I was going to say the same thing. Except one caveat: there is still the original music. Granted, that is harder to stay excited about consistently: that waxes and wanes in phases through the years. I mean, it's always great; it's just not something that consistently matches that "new album" excitement. The archival releases bring that. Plus, this band being who is it, it has so often turned out there were really good songs among those unreleased, that's something to hold out hope for. (Going forward, I don't know how much that will continue to be the case, but we'll see.)
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Mar 9, 2023 18:31:11 GMT
I see nothing to apologize for. But anyway, regardless of anyone's feelings about the guy himself, he had a lot of good info and gave me reason for optimism about future archival releases. I do appreciate the work he's doing in that regard. I think that's the problem for me in terms of what he has to say, quite apart from the clash of personalities. I have no interest in box sets of archival releases. But I quite understand that just about everyone else is interested in them, and that's absolutely fine with me. Apologies if you've talked about this before, but what don't you like about archival releases? I've never cared much one way or the other about the backing tracks or acapella stuff, but hearing new tracks for the first time either in great quality or for the first time period is something I always look forward to. As Kapitan said, it's about as close to a new album feeling as you can get. Especially with Feel Flows. SoS has less stuff I'm interested in, although there were still a number of enjoyable new songs.
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Post by jk on Mar 9, 2023 20:12:12 GMT
I think that's the problem for me in terms of what he has to say, quite apart from the clash of personalities. I have no interest in box sets of archival releases. But I quite understand that just about everyone else is interested in them, and that's absolutely fine with me. Apologies if you've talked about this before, but what don't you like about archival releases? I've never cared much one way or the other about the backing tracks or acapella stuff, but hearing new tracks for the first time either in great quality or for the first time period is something I always look forward to. As Kapitan said, it's about as close to a new album feeling as you can get. Especially with Feel Flows. SoS has less stuff I'm interested in, although there were still a number of enjoyable new songs. Quite simply, I'm happy with what there was already! To these ears the twofers, TWGMTT, POB, BW88, OCA and my favourite SMiLE fan mix are as good as it gets.
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Post by kds on Mar 9, 2023 20:15:17 GMT
To be fair, GV30 and the Smile Sessions are considered archival releases.
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Post by jk on Mar 9, 2023 20:54:42 GMT
To be fair, GV30 and the Smile Sessions are considered archival releases. I'm not into TSS. As for GV30... the phrase "archival release" wasn't current in those days. Still, I've dropped it from my list -- I could live without it at a pinch.
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Post by kds on Mar 9, 2023 21:02:53 GMT
Well, either way. To each their own.
I think the archival releases are terrific options for super fans. And, nowadays in the age of streaming, they come without the necessary financial commitment.
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