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Post by beachboystalkmatt on Mar 16, 2022 14:36:31 GMT
Last night on Beach Boys Talk Jon Stebbins talked about how Dennis was working on a third album called Tornado. I had never heard this before. He said Dennis recorded the material around the same time as POB and Bamboo. He also said there’s a good chance it will be released. Interesting stuff! Check out the interview on our page. Anyone have thoughts on this third album?
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Post by Emdeeh on Mar 16, 2022 15:24:05 GMT
If they release it, I’ll buy it!
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Post by carllove on Mar 16, 2022 15:35:21 GMT
If they release it, I’ll buy it! Yep - Me too! Love me some Dennis Wilson music!
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 16, 2022 15:55:14 GMT
Hey, beachboystalkmatt, another great show last night. Wow, I never realized Jon Stebbins' resume' was that extensive. Like your previous guests, Jon is that kind of "insider" you enjoy hearing discuss their Beach Boys-related experiences. It was interesting to hear some of the David Marks' stories. And Jon will be back for Part 2!
Yes, I would love to hear ANY unreleased Dennis Wilson music! Not only is Pacific Ocean Blue my favorite Beach Boys' solo album, but it's one of my favorite albums period. Bambu...not as much but I do find parts of it very enjoyable. If I'm understanding correctly, Tornado would be outtakes from Pacific Ocean Blue and Bambu - and nothing after the Bambu sessions?
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Post by beachboystalkmatt on Mar 16, 2022 16:02:12 GMT
I’m from my understanding it is unreleased songs as well that were written in the era, not necessarily outtakes.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 17, 2022 18:42:41 GMT
It's been one of those weeks for me with work, but I've been listening to this week's show just now. Really enjoyable.
And it's a coincidence that just a few minutes after I was saying how fun it is to read all of your Top 100 song lists in that thread because of how different they are, I just heard Jon Stebbins saying how everyone seems to find different parts of Beach Boys music that are special and meaningful to them. So true (and possibly one reason Beach Boys fans sometimes seem to have nothing in common other than the Beach Boys ... but then also have nothing in common WITHIN their love of the Beach Boys!).
The info about Tornado was such a tease... I'm not the world's biggest Dennis fan, but I would absolutely love to hear whatever there is (of course). And it's curious that it comes from those earlier years, around POB and straight on through. I would have guessed the deluxe box might have included some of it, that being the case. Obviously I would have guessed wrong. I won't hold my breath, but I will look forward to the chance of this being released. (Great title, too. Especially for Dennis.)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 22, 2022 13:13:42 GMT
Just a question, and it could even be viewed as rhetorical...
Why weren't the Tornado songs - which were recorded around the same time as Pacific Ocean Blue and Bambu - released on the Pacific Ocean Blue 30th Anniversary Edition in 2008?
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 22, 2022 13:33:42 GMT
Just a question, and it could even be viewed as rhetorical...
Why weren't the Tornado songs - which were recorded around the same time as Pacific Ocean Blue and Bambu - released on the Pacific Ocean Blue 30th Anniversary Edition in 2008? That's what I was wondering, too. Without knowing any details (obviously, not having even known there was Tornado material until this thread), it seems to me there are a few hypothetical reasons.
1. It was unknown (or at least not in hand) at the time of that release. 2. It was in murkier legal waters at the time in terms of ownership rights.
3. It was considered more incomplete or otherwise inferior to the bonus material released at the time. 4. It was considered of a piece, coherent as it stood, as a stand-alone album and they lacked the funding to expand the POB/Bambu set with a third album, so put it off in the hopes of getting a green light some time in the future.
5. It was so mind-blowingly superior, they thought it would make a superior release on its own ... in the distant future. (Obviously I don't think this is the reality, but hey, it's the Beach Boys universe.)
More details to figure out which, if any, of the above might be true would be very welcome.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Mar 23, 2022 13:14:40 GMT
A little background from c-man: Tornado was a working title for Bambu...another was End Of The Line, according to Carli Muñoz. Since Dennis had a three-album deal with Caribou, the latter title may have been earmarked for the last of the three. Anyway, there were plenty of reports at the time of him recording all three albums in rapid succession, but as we know the latter two were never completed. There are probably enough unfinished tracks, instrumental-only tracks, alternate versions, alternate mixes...and POB tour rehearsal tapes...to fill up another release, should Mr. Guercio decide to bankroll it. Smiley For further reading on this topic, I refer you to beachboysarchives.com/page11...and beachboysarchives.com/page12.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 23, 2022 22:58:47 GMT
OK, so I think this puts things in perspective. It seems to me that there was no master plan for POB, Bambu, Tornado. There was a three-record deal, and Dennis Wilson had streaks of really productive writing and recording. But the songs that ended up on POB weren't necessarily the preordained POB songs, the songs that ended up on the eventual Bambu release weren't necessarily earmarked for that, and there is no set of 10-12 songs that were to be Tornado.
Rather, there were recordings that were finished and they ended up being POB. A bunch more mostly finished songs were released as Bambu. There are other unfinished--presumably more unfinished--songs that could be released with the name Tornado, but it's not some long-lost album. It's what wasn't finished, either to the point of being released or to the point of being released a lot later in that deluxe reissue.
It's stuff.
(The rehearsal tapes, conversely, are extremely interesting to me.)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 24, 2022 16:43:28 GMT
A little background from c-man: Tornado was a working title for Bambu...another was End Of The Line, according to Carli Muñoz. Since Dennis had a three-album deal with Caribou, the latter title may have been earmarked for the last of the three. Anyway, there were plenty of reports at the time of him recording all three albums in rapid succession, but as we know the latter two were never completed. There are probably enough unfinished tracks, instrumental-only tracks, alternate versions, alternate mixes...and POB tour rehearsal tapes...to fill up another release, should Mr. Guercio decide to bankroll it. I get it. But, I do think it was an odd way to approach a three-album deal. And, unfortunately, it didn't work. Because it was Dennis Wilson, though, I guess that explains a lot of things.
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