Post by jk on Dec 27, 2021 10:37:31 GMT
These are quotes from Carrie Marks and AGD salvaged from the long-defunct Capitol BB MB (and possibly Smiley). If either poster objects, let me know and out they go.
First, Carrie Marks:
Oct 5th [1963] was [David's] last concert, but not necessarily his last day in the band. The story told by Ron Swallow in the Lost Beach Boy where he witnessed the final showdown between Murry and Jo Ann happened sometime between the 5th and the 19th when Al appears on guitar for the first time at the Hollywood Bowl.
That COULD have happened after the session on the 18th for all we know...the last minute nature of the switch would explain Al's rather poor performance that day and his lack of a Fender guitar. Or the LSN/DI ["Little Saint Nick"/"Drive-In"] session date could have been fudged by a week to account for David's real departure...like the questionable 9/3/63 marathon session that produced how many songs coincidentally (cough) the business day after the backdated 8/30 departure.
Have a close listen to LSN...sounds an awful lot like David to my ears. Besides, David has always steadfastly claimed FFF was the 1st song released he didn't play on because it hurt him so much to hear it on the radio after having rehearsed the song but didn't record it - much like he felt when he heard Surfin'.
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David has said that Carl was actually a very good drummer - more technical than Dennis. And while on the on the subject of Dennis going up front to sing, David was the first one to go back to play drums while Dennis sang. During 1962 and 1963 David played drums (live) on Surfer Girl and Silly Boy.
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The girl on the back of the LP cover is Nik Venet's girlfriend - not Andrea Carlo. Through the years people have made the incorrect assumption the girl in the photo is the girl on County Fair. However, the LP photo session was totally staged...it wasn't taken during an actual recording session.
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JK asked:
I've been trying to sort out from David's book which BB tracks he plays on.
DM plays on the entire Surfin' Safari album except "Surfin'". Vocals by David probably on "Summertime Blues" and possibly on "409", "County Fair", "Heads You Win, Tails I Lose" and "Chug-A-Lug".
DM plays on the entire Surfin' USA album. No mention in the book about which tracks he sings on.
On Surfer Girl David is credited with playing on the title track, "Little Deuce Coupe", "Our Car Club", "Catch A Wave", "Your Summer Dream" and "In My Room". Alan is mentioned in connection with "Surfers Rule" but Jardine may have played bass on it. No mention of vocals.
Of the new tracks for the Little Deuce Coupe album DM plays on "Be True To Your School" (and the single version), "Spirit Of America", "No Go Showboat", "Cherry Cherry Coupe" and "Ballad Of Ole Betsy".
He also seems to have played on "Things We Did Last Summer" which the BBs mimed to on The Red Skelton Show.
Carrie Marks explains:
You are correct about Surfin Safari (all tracks but Surfin') and Surfin USA (all tracks). David played on every track on Surfer Girl (Al played bass and sang on 4 tracks while David played guitar) and every song (uncredited in some cases) on Little Deuce Coupe except for A Young Man is Gone.
In addition to the obvious album cuts, David also played on the filmed versions of the songs like One Man's Challenge version of Surfin' Safari, several Jan & Dean tracks, a couple of Gary Usher's and on several BB songs that ended up being held over for SD vol II (In the Parking lot - he believes) and the box set/Hawthorne/bonus tracks on the CD reissues such as Baker's Man, Punchline etc.
And now AGD:
In 1962/3, David was quite possibly the most proficient musician in the band, Brian included - he was certainly the best guitar player.
David was on the back cover [of Little Deuce Coupe] for the excellent reason he'd played on all the tracks on the album (the first BB session he didn't play on was "Little St. Nick"): his final show with The Beach Boys was two days before the album was released, in San Diego [says David himself].
Alan returned to the band in summer 1963, and appears on four tracks on the preceding Surfer Girl album: "Boogie Woodie", "Surfer's Rule" & "Catch A Wave" and "In My Room". Thus from mid-July to early October 1963, both Alan and David were in the band.
To the best of my knowledge (as the AFM sheets for both the Surfer Girl and LDC albums are oddly missing), here's the song-by-song line up:
Little Deuce Coupe - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 6/12/63)
Ballad Of Ole' Betsy- Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 2/9/63)
Be True To Your School - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Car Crazy Cutie - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Cherry, Cherry Coupe - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
409 - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 4/19/62)
Side 2:
Shut Down - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Mike (recorded 1/5/63)
Spirit of America - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Our Car Club - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded between 6/29/63 and 7/18/63)
No-Go Showboat - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
A Young Man Is Gone - Brian/Carl/Alan/Dennis/Mike (recorded 9/63)
Custom Machine - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
***
Mid-February 1966, Brian handed Capitol a preliminary track list for Pet Sounds, which included a track (as yet unrecorded) called "Good, Good, Good Vibrations"... and "Sloop John B", by then recorded but not released until March. Therefore...
[SJB] was not included because it was the current hit…
it was not included at the company's insistance.
Here's the list Brian handed in [to Capitol] (circa February 23rd):
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Caroline, No
Good, Good, Good Vibrations
You Still Believe In Me
That's Not Me
Hang On To Your Ego (= I Know There's An Answer)
Sloop John B
The Old Man And The Baby (= Let's Go Away For A While)
Don't Talk...
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
The note indicated that there would be two additional titles, one an instrumental. In the event, "GGGV" was dropped, an instrumental from November 1965 was pulled from the vault and three new songs recorded - "I'm Waiting For The Day", "Here Today" and "God Only Knows".
It was always dubious even by doing basic math - "SJB" was released late March '66, charted April 2 and began looking like a hit the following week. Pet Sounds hit the stores four, five weeks later - given the mechanics of mastering and packaging, there's no way a new track could be added in that time (this is ignoring the fact that the final album sessions were in mid-April !). Then the liners of the 1999 mono/stereo 2fer (by Brad Elliott) revealed the truth, something that has been totally ignored in subsequent re-issues. Brian's admitted it was his idea in recent interviews.
***
FWIW, many years ago - late 80s - I showed my doctor some videos of Brian talking and running/jogging, and without any prompting on my part he said "he's had a stroke at some time - a mild one, probably doesn't realise it himself, but he's certainly had one”.
***
Briefly...
Candix had been releasing singles since the mid-late 50s, thus 331 was the first release of "Surfin'" (proof - The Frogmen's top 40 hit "Underwater", released in April 1961 was Candix 314) in November 1961 (dated by the Delta numbers). Apparently, it sold well, but when the Dix brothers went to the pressing plant for more, they were told to pay their bills, so to keep the demand for the single supplied, they went to another pressing plant and, because the original plant had all the labels, came up with the X name (allegedly becasue the kids would ask for 'that surfin song on the label with an X in it' - it's daft enough to be true). When the bill was paid and they could go back to using Candix, it appears that someone copied the wrong number, hence the third release, in January 1962, was on Candix 301. So, the releases were:
11/61 - Candix 331
12/61 - X 301
1/62 - Candix 301
It's actually even more complex than that and various distribution deals have a bearing, but essentially, that's how it was. The RCA intervention is a myth. [see separate post for more on "Surfin'" b/w "Luau"]
First, Carrie Marks:
Oct 5th [1963] was [David's] last concert, but not necessarily his last day in the band. The story told by Ron Swallow in the Lost Beach Boy where he witnessed the final showdown between Murry and Jo Ann happened sometime between the 5th and the 19th when Al appears on guitar for the first time at the Hollywood Bowl.
That COULD have happened after the session on the 18th for all we know...the last minute nature of the switch would explain Al's rather poor performance that day and his lack of a Fender guitar. Or the LSN/DI ["Little Saint Nick"/"Drive-In"] session date could have been fudged by a week to account for David's real departure...like the questionable 9/3/63 marathon session that produced how many songs coincidentally (cough) the business day after the backdated 8/30 departure.
Have a close listen to LSN...sounds an awful lot like David to my ears. Besides, David has always steadfastly claimed FFF was the 1st song released he didn't play on because it hurt him so much to hear it on the radio after having rehearsed the song but didn't record it - much like he felt when he heard Surfin'.
***
David has said that Carl was actually a very good drummer - more technical than Dennis. And while on the on the subject of Dennis going up front to sing, David was the first one to go back to play drums while Dennis sang. During 1962 and 1963 David played drums (live) on Surfer Girl and Silly Boy.
***
The girl on the back of the LP cover is Nik Venet's girlfriend - not Andrea Carlo. Through the years people have made the incorrect assumption the girl in the photo is the girl on County Fair. However, the LP photo session was totally staged...it wasn't taken during an actual recording session.
***
JK asked:
I've been trying to sort out from David's book which BB tracks he plays on.
DM plays on the entire Surfin' Safari album except "Surfin'". Vocals by David probably on "Summertime Blues" and possibly on "409", "County Fair", "Heads You Win, Tails I Lose" and "Chug-A-Lug".
DM plays on the entire Surfin' USA album. No mention in the book about which tracks he sings on.
On Surfer Girl David is credited with playing on the title track, "Little Deuce Coupe", "Our Car Club", "Catch A Wave", "Your Summer Dream" and "In My Room". Alan is mentioned in connection with "Surfers Rule" but Jardine may have played bass on it. No mention of vocals.
Of the new tracks for the Little Deuce Coupe album DM plays on "Be True To Your School" (and the single version), "Spirit Of America", "No Go Showboat", "Cherry Cherry Coupe" and "Ballad Of Ole Betsy".
He also seems to have played on "Things We Did Last Summer" which the BBs mimed to on The Red Skelton Show.
Carrie Marks explains:
You are correct about Surfin Safari (all tracks but Surfin') and Surfin USA (all tracks). David played on every track on Surfer Girl (Al played bass and sang on 4 tracks while David played guitar) and every song (uncredited in some cases) on Little Deuce Coupe except for A Young Man is Gone.
In addition to the obvious album cuts, David also played on the filmed versions of the songs like One Man's Challenge version of Surfin' Safari, several Jan & Dean tracks, a couple of Gary Usher's and on several BB songs that ended up being held over for SD vol II (In the Parking lot - he believes) and the box set/Hawthorne/bonus tracks on the CD reissues such as Baker's Man, Punchline etc.
And now AGD:
In 1962/3, David was quite possibly the most proficient musician in the band, Brian included - he was certainly the best guitar player.
David was on the back cover [of Little Deuce Coupe] for the excellent reason he'd played on all the tracks on the album (the first BB session he didn't play on was "Little St. Nick"): his final show with The Beach Boys was two days before the album was released, in San Diego [says David himself].
Alan returned to the band in summer 1963, and appears on four tracks on the preceding Surfer Girl album: "Boogie Woodie", "Surfer's Rule" & "Catch A Wave" and "In My Room". Thus from mid-July to early October 1963, both Alan and David were in the band.
To the best of my knowledge (as the AFM sheets for both the Surfer Girl and LDC albums are oddly missing), here's the song-by-song line up:
Little Deuce Coupe - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 6/12/63)
Ballad Of Ole' Betsy- Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 2/9/63)
Be True To Your School - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Car Crazy Cutie - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Cherry, Cherry Coupe - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
409 - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis (recorded 4/19/62)
Side 2:
Shut Down - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Mike (recorded 1/5/63)
Spirit of America - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
Our Car Club - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded between 6/29/63 and 7/18/63)
No-Go Showboat - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
A Young Man Is Gone - Brian/Carl/Alan/Dennis/Mike (recorded 9/63)
Custom Machine - Brian/Carl/David/Dennis/Alan (recorded 9/63)
***
Mid-February 1966, Brian handed Capitol a preliminary track list for Pet Sounds, which included a track (as yet unrecorded) called "Good, Good, Good Vibrations"... and "Sloop John B", by then recorded but not released until March. Therefore...
[SJB] was not included because it was the current hit…
it was not included at the company's insistance.
Here's the list Brian handed in [to Capitol] (circa February 23rd):
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Caroline, No
Good, Good, Good Vibrations
You Still Believe In Me
That's Not Me
Hang On To Your Ego (= I Know There's An Answer)
Sloop John B
The Old Man And The Baby (= Let's Go Away For A While)
Don't Talk...
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
The note indicated that there would be two additional titles, one an instrumental. In the event, "GGGV" was dropped, an instrumental from November 1965 was pulled from the vault and three new songs recorded - "I'm Waiting For The Day", "Here Today" and "God Only Knows".
It was always dubious even by doing basic math - "SJB" was released late March '66, charted April 2 and began looking like a hit the following week. Pet Sounds hit the stores four, five weeks later - given the mechanics of mastering and packaging, there's no way a new track could be added in that time (this is ignoring the fact that the final album sessions were in mid-April !). Then the liners of the 1999 mono/stereo 2fer (by Brad Elliott) revealed the truth, something that has been totally ignored in subsequent re-issues. Brian's admitted it was his idea in recent interviews.
***
FWIW, many years ago - late 80s - I showed my doctor some videos of Brian talking and running/jogging, and without any prompting on my part he said "he's had a stroke at some time - a mild one, probably doesn't realise it himself, but he's certainly had one”.
***
Briefly...
Candix had been releasing singles since the mid-late 50s, thus 331 was the first release of "Surfin'" (proof - The Frogmen's top 40 hit "Underwater", released in April 1961 was Candix 314) in November 1961 (dated by the Delta numbers). Apparently, it sold well, but when the Dix brothers went to the pressing plant for more, they were told to pay their bills, so to keep the demand for the single supplied, they went to another pressing plant and, because the original plant had all the labels, came up with the X name (allegedly becasue the kids would ask for 'that surfin song on the label with an X in it' - it's daft enough to be true). When the bill was paid and they could go back to using Candix, it appears that someone copied the wrong number, hence the third release, in January 1962, was on Candix 301. So, the releases were:
11/61 - Candix 331
12/61 - X 301
1/62 - Candix 301
It's actually even more complex than that and various distribution deals have a bearing, but essentially, that's how it was. The RCA intervention is a myth. [see separate post for more on "Surfin'" b/w "Luau"]