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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 5, 2021 4:23:46 GMT
One question: is the title of the album "The Beach Boys Love You", or just "Love You"? Wasn't the original title "Brian Loves You"? Before I got online, oh so many years ago it seems, I always thought it was "The Beach Boys Love You". But I always see it referred to as just "Love You". I don't see other albums called just "Christmas Album" or "Party"; although myself, I have taken to calling a certain album "Beach Boys 1985".
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Post by kds on Jan 5, 2021 13:11:12 GMT
One question: is the title of the album "The Beach Boys Love You", or just "Love You"? Wasn't the original title "Brian Loves You"? Before I got online, oh so many years ago it seems, I always thought it was "The Beach Boys Love You". But I always see it referred to as just "Love You". I don't see other albums called just "Christmas Album" or "Party"; although myself, I have taken to calling a certain album "Beach Boys 1985". I think that's up to the individual really. There's a certain Who album that I see called both "The Who Sell Out" or The Who "Sell Out."
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 5, 2021 13:30:00 GMT
Not quite: there IS a real title, presumably on the copyright or whatever official release information there is. So it might be in actuality The Beach Boys: The Beach Boys Love You (or not). But then you have the album covers, which of course are unofficial presentations of it. And then there's common parlance.
Frankly, I just say Love You, Xmas, 85, etc, especially if I'm talking to fans, because it's easier.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 5, 2021 13:35:26 GMT
One question: is the title of the album "The Beach Boys Love You", or just "Love You"? Wasn't the original title "Brian Loves You"? Before I got online, oh so many years ago it seems, I always thought it was "The Beach Boys Love You". But I always see it referred to as just "Love You". I don't see other albums called just "Christmas Album" or "Party"; although myself, I have taken to calling a certain album "Beach Boys 1985". It's The Beach Boys Love You. I always assumed it was at times referred to as Love You because fans/reviewers/authors were simply abbreviating or...trying to save space and time in not typing out the whole title.
And, I often see the other albums referred to as simply the Christmas album, Concert, Today, and Party. Actually, I hardly ever see them mentioned by their full album title.
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Post by kds on Jan 5, 2021 13:35:37 GMT
Not quite: there IS a real title, presumably on the copyright or whatever official release information there is. So it might be in actuality The Beach Boys: The Beach Boys Love You (or not). But then you have the album covers, which of course are unofficial presentations of it. And then there's common parlance.
Frankly, I just say Love You, Xmas, 85, etc, especially if I'm talking to fans, because it's easier.
Right, there's an official title, but then there's also the accepted vernacular of the fans. Just as any self titled album that isn't a debut album is given an accepted alternate name either based on the color of the cover or year of release.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 5, 2021 13:52:30 GMT
I actually hate when bands or artists give longer titles, since they're almost never actually referred to by those full titles. Fiona Apple is almost certainly the worst in that respect, but it is common. Even the Beatles, I mean, come on: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band? When is the last time you heard someone in conversation refer to that album in that way? It's usually Pepper among fans, or Sgt. Pepper among more casual music fans.
And to use the band's name in the title seems stupid, too. The Beach Boys' The Beach Boys Love You? No one would ever say that. We've got lives to live, musicians, we can't sit around speaking and writing your longer titles in full...
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 5, 2021 14:39:35 GMT
I actually hate when bands or artists give longer titles, since they're almost never actually referred to by those full titles. Fiona Apple is almost certainly the worst in that respect, but it is common. Even the Beatles, I mean, come on: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band? When is the last time you heard someone in conversation refer to that album in that way? It's usually Pepper among fans, or Sgt. Pepper among more casual music fans.
And to use the band's name in the title seems stupid, too. The Beach Boys' The Beach Boys Love You? No one would ever say that. We've got lives to live, musicians, we can't sit around speaking and writing your longer titles in full...
Brian Wilson Presents Smile. Gee, I was glad to know that. I thought it might be Dennis or Carl Wilson. Or maybe even Carnie and Wendy Wilson.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 5, 2021 14:53:44 GMT
I'd also like to know what the official title is. Depending on the release it is presented differently. There is no indication on the original US LP that the title is "The Beach Boys Love You" (unless there is on the spine, I don't have an original copy). And on the CD reissues it's just "Love You". That said, the "Honkin' Down The Highway" 45 appears to refer to the album as "The Beach Boys Love You". And IIRC the 8-track of the album does, too. In the UK, the original LP and Mona EP indicate that the title is "The Beach Boys Love You". I'm going mostly by the labels here. The early albums (Concert/Xmas/Party/Today) are clearly presented as including "Beach Boys" in the title. While I think it's kind of cool as a callback to those earlier album titles, I agree with Kapitan that the practice of including the band name in the album title is stupid.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 5, 2021 14:56:52 GMT
The covers are misleading in that they are artwork first, presentation. It's thanks to covers that people think we must stylize SMiLE, for example. (My company's logo is in all caps and it leads to people in normal text writing it in all caps, which makes me almost violently angry.) Branding isn't official!
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 5, 2021 14:58:58 GMT
Has anyone ever seen The Beach Boys - Love You presented like that - with a dash after The Beach Boys?
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Post by B.E. on Jan 5, 2021 15:07:42 GMT
Has anyone ever seen The Beach Boys - Love You presented like that - with a dash after The Beach Boys? The 1991 CD. No dash (though, a different color font) on the 2000 CD, but that's a twofer. Regardless, it's just "Love You" everywhere on that.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 5, 2021 16:09:27 GMT
Has anyone ever seen The Beach Boys - Love You presented like that - with a dash after The Beach Boys? The 1991 CD. No dash (though, a different color font) on the 2000 CD, but that's a twofer. Regardless, it's just "Love You" everywhere on that. Knowing the history of the Beach Boys, one gets the feeling that the art department probably never bothered to check for accuracy.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 5, 2021 16:18:29 GMT
Knowing the history of the Beach Boys, one gets the feeling that the art department probably never bothered to check for accuracy. Including the original US LP, apparently. (Or, at least, they weren't concerned about ambiguity.)
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 5, 2021 16:21:35 GMT
See, I think that's the important thing: I don't think the art dept would really care to that level of detail. They are presenting something visually, and it's almost like a nickname as opposed to a legal name. They don't necessarily have to care what it reads on the copyright filings or whatever, but rather how to present it. (I mean, they aren't going to make up something new altogether obviously; but if The Beach Boys release The Beach Boys Love You, visually the possibilities are many, including not repeating the band name.)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 5, 2021 16:38:48 GMT
See, I think that's the important thing: I don't think the art dept would really care to that level of detail. They are presenting something visually, and it's almost like a nickname as opposed to a legal name. They don't necessarily have to care what it reads on the copyright filings or whatever, but rather how to present it. (I mean, they aren't going to make up something new altogether obviously; but if The Beach Boys release The Beach Boys Love You, visually the possibilities are many, including not repeating the band name.)
I think that was entirely possible and also more aesthetically pleasing on the original album cover. I don't think it matters much if there is a "separation" of The Beach Boys and Love You. I was more referring to the album just being presented as Love You on the back of the two-fer. It's possible the art department both wanted to save space AND (maybe?) didn't check for accuracy. And, you know what's funny. I wonder who the art department would've called and what reaction they would've gotten.
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