|
Post by kds on Dec 1, 2020 14:02:48 GMT
I think SC is head and shoulders above SIP.
The production is miles better. You have a legit hit with Kokomo. And Somewhere Near Japan is considered one of the better later era Beach Boys songs. The rest of the new songs are decent. Wipe Out is really the lone embarrassing moment, but it least it was an attempt at a crossover with an actual rap group.
Plus, it's worth mentioning that SC includes a contribution from Brian, which will automatically put it above SIP in the eyes of many.
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 1, 2020 14:08:40 GMT
I don't necessarily agree about the production being so much better, though I think maybe the new songs are a little better than those on SIP. However, SP also has those classics added, which on one hand is a bonus (better songs!) but in the end I think is more a detriment (highlights the dropoff between eras, smacks of laziness).
The hit aspect of "Kokomo" did occur to me at first, and for a second I thought that plus "Forever" explained it ... but then I remembered "Forever" is on SIP, not SC. So that evened it out a bit for me.
So I don't know. I do think SC is better. But I am not sure I'd give it 2+ more points, personally. (Actually, I wonder whether I did. It'll be embarrassing if I gave it 3 points better...)
|
|
|
Post by kds on Dec 1, 2020 14:21:06 GMT
It's kind of a chicken / egg thing. Do people really think SC is that much better than SIP? Or do people really think SIP is that much worse?
I typically assign SC a 6 or 7 (I know that seems high, but I do enjoy the late 80s pop / trop rock type direction that the band flirted with), while giving SIP a 4.
|
|
|
Post by B.E. on Dec 1, 2020 15:06:39 GMT
It's not often the forum ratings perfectly align with my own, but that's the case here: I gave SC a '5' and SIP a '3'. I do think the production is better on SC, but more than that I just think the songs are better. "Lahaina Aloha" is the only song on SIP that is competitive. And not with "Kokomo" but the likes of "Somewhere Near Japan", "Island Girl", and "In My Car". In addition to "Wipe Out", though, I'd be tempted to add "Make It Big" to the embarrassing list.
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 1, 2020 15:09:14 GMT
So I don't know. I do think SC is better. But I am not sure I'd give it 2+ more points, personally. (Actually, I wonder whether I did. It'll be embarrassing if I gave it 3 points better...) Whew, I went 3 and 2 respectively. Glad I didn't argue against myself.
|
|
|
Post by B.E. on Dec 1, 2020 15:12:05 GMT
So I don't know. I do think SC is better. But I am not sure I'd give it 2+ more points, personally. (Actually, I wonder whether I did. It'll be embarrassing if I gave it 3 points better...) Whew, I went 3 and 2 respectively. Glad I didn't argue against myself. and very respectfully.
|
|
|
Post by lonelysummer on Dec 6, 2020 3:34:05 GMT
I always knock a couple points off SC for including those 3 old songs; they're just dumped onto the end of the album with no apparent purpose. They had 7 "new" songs (yeah, Kokomo and Wipe Out weren't really new, they were recent); if there wasn't any other new recordings to be used, they could have at least included other recent recordings to make it feel like more of a proper album. Carl said Capitol only wanted 3 new songs; the BB's gave them 5. I think the new songs on SC are quite good, especially Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. In My Car is a good song ruined by THELOUDESTEFFINGDRUMSINTHEWORLD! SIP has very little to recommend it in terms of songwriting, production, or performance. I call it the "Mike Love's Wet Dream" album - "finally, I, the real genius in the group, gets to write or co-write nearly every song on an album, and show the other guys that what the world needs now is Love, sweet Love...and programmed 80's drums!"
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 7, 2020 12:56:47 GMT
The first post in this thread has been updated to reflect the rating of Mike Love's 12 Side of Summer (4.0).
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 10, 2020 12:31:36 GMT
I have updated the first post to include That Lucky Old Sun (7.8).
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 14, 2020 12:47:11 GMT
The first post has been updated to reflect Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 (3.3).
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 17, 2020 12:44:44 GMT
I have updated the first post with Pet Sounds (10.0). This is not only our new highest-rated album, but our first unanimously rated album, with all voters giving a perfect 10.
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 21, 2020 12:57:46 GMT
Reason For the Season (3.5) by Mike Love has been added to the first post.
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 24, 2020 14:06:50 GMT
First post updated to include What I Really Want For Christmas (7.2).
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Dec 28, 2020 13:32:53 GMT
Updated the first post with the Beach Boys' Christmas Album (7.3).
|
|
|
Post by Kapitan on Jan 4, 2021 13:11:43 GMT
I will incorporate our singles ratings into the first post of this thread, similar to how we did with albums. The rating will apply to each single as a whole, not separate ratings for A-side and B-side.
|
|