The production is miles better. You have a legit hit with Kokomo. And Somewhere Near Japan is considered one of the better later era Beach Boys songs. The rest of the new songs are decent. Wipe Out is really the lone embarrassing moment, but it least it was an attempt at a crossover with an actual rap group.
Plus, it's worth mentioning that SC includes a contribution from Brian, which will automatically put it above SIP in the eyes of many.
I don't necessarily agree about the production being so much better, though I think maybe the new songs are a little better than those on SIP. However, SP also has those classics added, which on one hand is a bonus (better songs!) but in the end I think is more a detriment (highlights the dropoff between eras, smacks of laziness).
The hit aspect of "Kokomo" did occur to me at first, and for a second I thought that plus "Forever" explained it ... but then I remembered "Forever" is on SIP, not SC. So that evened it out a bit for me.
So I don't know. I do think SC is better. But I am not sure I'd give it 2+ more points, personally. (Actually, I wonder whether I did. It'll be embarrassing if I gave it 3 points better...)
It's not often the forum ratings perfectly align with my own, but that's the case here: I gave SC a '5' and SIP a '3'. I do think the production is better on SC, but more than that I just think the songs are better. "Lahaina Aloha" is the only song on SIP that is competitive. And not with "Kokomo" but the likes of "Somewhere Near Japan", "Island Girl", and "In My Car". In addition to "Wipe Out", though, I'd be tempted to add "Make It Big" to the embarrassing list.
I always knock a couple points off SC for including those 3 old songs; they're just dumped onto the end of the album with no apparent purpose. They had 7 "new" songs (yeah, Kokomo and Wipe Out weren't really new, they were recent); if there wasn't any other new recordings to be used, they could have at least included other recent recordings to make it feel like more of a proper album. Carl said Capitol only wanted 3 new songs; the BB's gave them 5. I think the new songs on SC are quite good, especially Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. In My Car is a good song ruined by THELOUDESTEFFINGDRUMSINTHEWORLD! SIP has very little to recommend it in terms of songwriting, production, or performance. I call it the "Mike Love's Wet Dream" album - "finally, I, the real genius in the group, gets to write or co-write nearly every song on an album, and show the other guys that what the world needs now is Love, sweet Love...and programmed 80's drums!"
I will incorporate our singles ratings into the first post of this thread, similar to how we did with albums. The rating will apply to each single as a whole, not separate ratings for A-side and B-side.
jk: That's good news, Sheriff. And good news from you too, Cap'n.
Sept 21, 2021 10:12:14 GMT
carllove: Sheriff and Kapitan, totally understand! Just let us know when there is an update. I am enjoying both! I really appreciate both of your efforts!
Sept 21, 2021 13:44:37 GMT
carllove: Looks like Sheriff has already added to the Sparks history! Yay!
Sept 21, 2021 13:46:01 GMT
Kapitan: Shamed, I began a new Prince thread post. But work rudely interrupted by wanting me to, you know, work. So it'll have to wait.
Sept 21, 2021 19:31:50 GMT
jk: Ooohh, we need a new "year" -- preferably from someone who hasn't chosen one yet...
Sept 22, 2021 9:59:24 GMT
Kapitan: Yes, let's keep it going. If you're not sure which years we've covered, check the first post of the thread: I've edited it to list each year we've touched upon.
Sept 22, 2021 13:10:08 GMT
jk: If no one jumps in soon, I'll go for 1997, which is 13 years back from 2010. Fact is, we haven't had a '90s year yet.
Sept 22, 2021 13:46:32 GMT
Kapitan: No, but we do have a whole '90s thread that covered a lot of that territory. (In fact, that's what inspired the idea, to some extent)
Sept 22, 2021 13:52:28 GMT
Kapitan: Not that I'm opposed to a '90s year, mind you
Sept 22, 2021 13:52:58 GMT
jk: I see where you're coming from, Cap'n. I even did a double-take when looking through 1997 albums and songs (these look familiar!). My next suggestion is that we go back 13 years from 1972 to 1959.
Sept 22, 2021 17:04:34 GMT
jk: OK, it's one of the "doldrum years" but it was crammed full of goodies that even register with folks who weren't born for another 20 years. Of course, if anyone has a better idea, I'm all for it.
Sept 22, 2021 17:05:59 GMT
Kapitan: That would make sense; we also haven't really touched the early to mid 80s, which I'm sure people (mostly) recall. And of course EVERY year in the '60s seems loaded...
Sept 22, 2021 17:06:53 GMT
jk: Yes, the early-ish '80s also came to mind. But let's see who else joins in...
Sept 22, 2021 17:08:04 GMT
Kapitan: So far we've had me, jk, kds, and carllove choosing years. Would love to expand that circle.
Sept 22, 2021 17:13:20 GMT
Kapitan: Which, I guess with four of us so far, is more a square.
Sept 22, 2021 17:13:38 GMT
jk: Ha, yes. Sheriff? B.E.? sockit? The Kid?... We'll see.
Sept 22, 2021 17:16:41 GMT