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Post by kds on Aug 20, 2020 12:21:30 GMT
I don't forsee another 73 date world tour. But, I could see a 25-30 date US Tour, maybe with a couple UK dates (probably with a bigger and better setlist per usual). Brian's vocals have deteriorated very noticeably over the last five years, but at a Beach Boys show, he does fewer leads. Maybe I'm a cock-eyed optimist, but I think we'll be back to full concerts by 2022. No, i think that's being realistic. I'm still seeing dozens of tours being rescheduled for 2021, and i think that's being overly optimistic. This thing - covid - has hung around a lot longer than we were originally being told it would; my state has a 4 phase plan, and we're only in phase 2 right now. And who knows what winter time might be like. I think 2021 is going to be largely more of the same - maybe states will start allowing small gatherings - you know, for unknown musicians like me to perform. (side note: being locked away at home this year is really affecting my mental health...yes, i am suffering from what some may call Mike Love Syndrome). i can't believe we're going to be back to superstar tours by next summer. If the Beach Boys were smart - and i'm not sure they are - they would get this box set out in time for the Christmas season; the guys could do a few tv appearances to talk about it. They don't have to leave their homes - that's how network tv is done these days, from the comfort of your home. But the Beach Boys being the Beach Boys, we'll probably get Stars and Stripes Volume 2 where we can hear Ariana Grande sing a duet of "Summer of Love" with Mike. The idea of Ariana Grande on a BB album is more frightening than any virus.
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Post by kds on Aug 20, 2020 12:22:20 GMT
My only real dispute is that I don't think they'd get someone as popular as Ariana Grande. It would be some passe, third-rate Ariana Grande. (And yes, I know how bad that would be!) I'm trying to imagine who it would end up. Maybe Avril Lavigne? Or a new version of Surfin' featuring Smash Mouth (Mike really digs those summer of '97 artists for some reason).
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 15:15:37 GMT
Well, the August 30th anniversary of Surfs Up and August 31st 50th anniversary of Sunflower passed without an announcement or so much as a tease of the box set...are we feeling great?
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 1, 2020 15:32:27 GMT
Well, the August 30th anniversary of Surfs Up and August 31st 50th anniversary of Sunflower passed without an announcement or so much as a tease of the box set...are we feeling great? I feel like a million bucks.
Oh, you meant about any imminent release of the box? No, not about that. I feel pessimistic and sad about that. Quite a missed opportunity, not to open the eyes of the masses and dramatically reshape the legacy or anything, but to give fans the kind of interesting content and context that we've gotten from previous sets. Presumably we'll get some kind of copyright-protecting digital release at the very least, but knowing there was something robust lined up for physical release that may well end up on the shelves is really unfortunate.
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Post by kds on Sept 1, 2020 16:33:53 GMT
I still think the FF box will happen. It'll probably happen suddenly, and somewhat randomly. As much as The Beach Boys bungle such things, I do believe if the thing is pretty much ready to go, as has been reported, it'll come out.
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 16:59:53 GMT
I still think the FF box will happen. It'll probably happen suddenly, and somewhat randomly. As much as The Beach Boys bungle such things, I do believe if the thing is pretty much ready to go, as has been reported, it'll come out. I, too, still think that's more likely than not, but with each passing day it's trending further in the opposite direction. Here's the thing, for me, this isn't Live Sunshine. So, the idea that one day it'll just appear without prior announcement or promotion seems ludicrous (not that it couldn't happen that way, being the Beach Boys, but...). Barring any other news, I'd say that if it's not announced by mid November, at the absolute latest, then we aren't getting a physical release in 2020 (or probably ever). But, that's projecting a late December release. You'd think they'd want it out earlier (but maybe they're far beyond ideal circumstances considering whatever might be going on behind the scenes).
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Post by kds on Sept 1, 2020 17:03:12 GMT
I still think the FF box will happen. It'll probably happen suddenly, and somewhat randomly. As much as The Beach Boys bungle such things, I do believe if the thing is pretty much ready to go, as has been reported, it'll come out. I, too, still think that's more likely than not, but with each passing day it's trending further in the opposite direction. Here's the thing, for me, this isn't Live Sunshine. So, the idea that one day it'll just appear without prior announcement or promotion seems ludicrous (not that it couldn't happen that way, being the Beach Boys, but...). Barring any other news, I'd say that if it's not announced by mid November, at the absolute latest, then we aren't getting a physical release in 2020 (or probably ever). But, that's projecting a late December release. You'd think they'd want it out earlier (but maybe they're far beyond ideal circumstances considering whatever might be going on behind the scenes). This is The Beach Boys. So, ludicrous is not out of the question.
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 17:07:27 GMT
There's also the possibility that it's dead (and it's been dead). In which case, they'd never announce that to the world (considering they never announced the project in the first place), but I'd sure like to know.
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 17:13:07 GMT
Presumably we'll get some kind of copyright-protecting digital release at the very least I tend to agree, but at the same time I suspect that last year's copyright EP was solely meant to protect the contents of the box set. If they now have no intention of releasing it, they might not bother. (Just throwing that unlikely scenario out there.)
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 1, 2020 17:28:10 GMT
I have a question. Who is paying for all of the work done on the project so far and have the people been paid who did the work? There are attorneys, managers, record company people, Mark Linett and Alan Boyd, other studio technicians, the graphic arts department of the record company, advertising people, and maybe actual manufacturing/packaging of the set has been done.
At the bare minimum, significant time, effort, and money has been invested. I just find it hard to believe that The Beach Boys, whose entire career revolved around making the most money possible, would walk away from making the most money possible on this project. If - if - all of those above got paid, wouldn't BRI and/or the record company want to recover what they already invested...and more?
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 1, 2020 17:39:02 GMT
Disclaimer that I am VERY far from the best person to answer this, but I will happily speculate.
Based on what I know of the legacy music business's standard policy, any and all costs would be fronted by the label and recouped on the back end by taking it out of the band's earnings.
But I would also assume that the more prominent the band, the more likely they are to have the leverage to negotiate that aspect of things, presumably for some sort of cost-sharing agreement or even an inverse agreement maybe? My industry is VERY far from the entertainment business, but I can tell you there are aspects of negotiating who fronts the costs and how & when they're recouped.
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 18:10:54 GMT
At the bare minimum, significant time, effort, and money has been invested. I just find it hard to believe that The Beach Boys, whose entire career revolved around making the most money possible, would walk away from making the most money possible on this project. If - if - all of those above got paid, wouldn't BRI and/or the record company want to recover what they already invested...and more?
I don't think there's any question that those who've worked on the project have been, or will be, paid for their work - regardless of whether the box set is released or not. And, on that front, whatever is happening needn't make sense to us, frankly. It would hardly be the first project cancelled or investment lost. It's hard to believe that it's got nothing to do with money, whether directly or indirectly (which indeed would be ironic if it sunk the whole thing), but we haven't be told. Alternatively, we could deny that anything is amiss, but that doesn't feel right either (IMO). As always, we'll just have to wait and see... I think it's that damned calendar that's gotten to me. It's September already!
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Post by kds on Sept 1, 2020 18:16:14 GMT
I'm still thinking the delay has something to do with COVID.
There's also the Long Promised Road doc, a doc whose name is becoming more apt each day. Granted, this doc was less enticing than an early 70s BB compilation, but it's still another thing we've barely heard about in 2020.
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Post by B.E. on Sept 1, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
There's also the Long Promised Road doc, a doc whose name is becoming more apt each day. Now, this one was certainly COVID-related. (In as much as its premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival was cancelled last Spring, wasn't it?)
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Post by kds on Sept 1, 2020 18:46:31 GMT
There's also the Long Promised Road doc, a doc whose name is becoming more apt each day. Now, this one was certainly COVID-related. (In as much as its premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival was cancelled last Spring, wasn't it?) It was, but I believe a lot of the films in that festival were made available to stream, and that wasn't the case with LPR.
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