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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 13:07:26 GMT
Interesting that they credited Disney Girls to Al. I skimmed right over that and didn't notice. Good catch! I'll add not interesting that they made a point of inserting politics. Love "reworked Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller’s R&B chestnut “Riot in Cell Black 9” as “Student Demonstration Time,” a protest song against protesters. “Student Demonstration Time” isn't the only indication of a conservative streak: Jardine’s wistful remembrance “Disney Girls (1957)” offers a bit of honeyed nostalgia."
Though I guess we ought to be thankful that's all they inserted along those lines. I think it's the LA Times review where they make a point of mentioning the "problematic" Beach Boys performances that Al and Brian released press releases about.
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Post by kds on Aug 31, 2021 13:11:17 GMT
Interesting that they credited Disney Girls to Al. I skimmed right over that and didn't notice. Good catch! I'll add not interesting that they made a point of inserting politics. Love "reworked Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller’s R&B chestnut “Riot in Cell Black 9” as “Student Demonstration Time,” a protest song against protesters. “Student Demonstration Time” isn't the only indication of a conservative streak: Jardine’s wistful remembrance “Disney Girls (1957)” offers a bit of honeyed nostalgia."
Though I guess we ought to be thankful that's all they inserted along those lines. I think it's the LA Times review where they make a point of mentioning the "problematic" Beach Boys performances that Al and Brian released press releases about.
Yeah, I saw that too. I was surprised that they showed some restraint in not mentioning the word "boomer."
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 13:17:01 GMT
It's really an annoying point they make, because anyone hearing that song as being anti-protester is deaf or stupid. The lyrics do say to avoid riots, but they're entirely pro-protest. I take the lyrics to mean "you need to be careful when you're protesting because you never know when police are going to cross the line and hurt or kill you: when things get violent, get out."
That isn't anti-protest! The lyrics, as pasted from Google/LyricFind:
Starting out with Berkeley Free Speech And later on at People's Park The winds of change fanned into flames Student demonstrations spark Down to Isla Vista where police felt so harassed They called the special riot squad of the L. A. County Sheriff
Well there's a riot going on There's a riot going on There's a riot going on Student demonstration time
The violence spread down South to where Jackson State brothers Learned not to say nasty things about Southern policemen's mothers Nothing much was said about it and really next to nothing done The pen is mightier than the sword, but no match for a gun
Well there's a riot going on There's a riot going on Well there's a riot going on 'Cause it's student demonstration time
America was stunned on May 4, 1970 When rally turned to riot up at Kent State University They said the students scared the Guard Though the troops were battle dressed Four martyrs earned a new degree The Bachelor of Bullets I know we're all fed up with useless wars and racial strife But next time there's a riot, well, you best stay out of sight
Well there's a riot going on There's a riot going on Well there's a riot going on Student demonstration time Stay away when there's a riot going on
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Aug 31, 2021 13:27:14 GMT
Agreed, people in certain circles like to crap on the lyrics, but they make a lot of sense when you pay attention to what is actually being said.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 13:29:44 GMT
Does anyone else think "Sweet and Bitter" has a bit of a "The Letter" vibe? Especially the verses remind me of that Box Tops hit, which we know the band liked. (This would also be around the time Alex Chilton was in Los Angeles hanging around the band.)
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Post by kds on Aug 31, 2021 13:53:03 GMT
Agreed, people in certain circles like to crap on the lyrics, but they make a lot of sense when you pay attention to what is actually being said. I think the lyrics are pretty clumsy (but, I really don't think anyone listens to The Beach Boys for great lyrics), so I get criticizing them, but the fine folks over at Pitchfork have completely misinterpreted them.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 13:57:36 GMT
Agreed, people in certain circles like to crap on the lyrics, but they make a lot of sense when you pay attention to what is actually being said. I think the lyrics are pretty clumsy (but, I really don't think anyone listens to The Beach Boys for great lyrics), so I get criticizing them, but the fine folks over at Pitchfork have completely misinterpreted them. Yeah, I actually think the lyrics to SDT suck (even for Beach Boys lyrics). But they don't say what Pitchfork seems to think they say.
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Post by kds on Aug 31, 2021 13:59:15 GMT
I think the lyrics are pretty clumsy (but, I really don't think anyone listens to The Beach Boys for great lyrics), so I get criticizing them, but the fine folks over at Pitchfork have completely misinterpreted them. Yeah, I actually think the lyrics to SDT suck (even for Beach Boys lyrics). But they don't say what Pitchfork seems to think they say. Probably just typically lazy, "oh, there's old boomer right wing Mike singing against protests."
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 14:11:49 GMT
Technically Mike isn't even a boomer! He's "silent generation," as he was born in 1941. (Boomers are usually described as born from '46-'64.)
Then again, "OK boomer" was often used against Gen X, even millennials...I guess words mean nothing.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 31, 2021 14:12:19 GMT
It's really an annoying point they make, because anyone hearing that song as being anti-protester is deaf or stupid. The lyrics do say to avoid riots, but they're entirely pro-protest. I take the lyrics to mean "you need to be careful when you're protesting because you never know when police are going to cross the line and hurt or kill you: when things get violent, get out."
Good point and I agree with you. I always thought "Student Demonstration Time" sounded forced, staged, and maybe even fake. Did the group go over the line with the Surf's Up album "messaging"? Were they trying too hard to be...relevant? Did they go too far in distancing themselves from the surf, turf, and fun image? I mean, how many people actually like(d) "Student Demonstration Time"? I guess it gave them a vehicle (no pun intended) or an opportunity to rock out, and I mean hard rock, live in concert, however they could've - and did - use other songs to do that. To me, "Student Demonstration Time" stands out too much on "Surf's Up". I now skip over it. "Student Demonstration Time" joins "Shortenin' Bread", "Love Is A Woman", maybe "Hey Little Tomboy", and maybe "When Girls Get Together" as first-off songs if I had my druthers, especially when you consider what other songs they had at their disposal.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 14:16:07 GMT
One thing I wish Universal/Capitol/Brother/Iconic would have had done during the billion-year delay to Feel Flows is hire a competent copy editor. I am really disappointed in the state of the liner notes, with numerous mistakes. I'm not talking factual errors, necessarily, but just writing mistakes.
Then again, newspapers have more and more mistakes of the same kind, having laid off copy editors in huge numbers in recent decades. I think it's safe to say that for better or worse, our society doesn't really value quality in that respect. "Oh, you know what we meant," seems to be the prevailing spirit.
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Post by kds on Aug 31, 2021 14:19:46 GMT
Technically Mike isn't even a boomer! He's "silent generation," as he was born in 1941. (Boomers are usually described as born from '46-'64.)
Then again, "OK boomer" was often used against Gen X, even millennials...I guess words mean nothing.
And I've heard people in their 50s called millennials. I guess people just lump people in with whatever "generation" they have a bias against, regardless of a person's age.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 31, 2021 14:21:28 GMT
One thing I wish Universal/Capitol/Brother/Iconic would have had done during the billion-year delay to Feel Flows is hire a competent copy editor. I am really disappointed in the state of the liner notes, with numerous mistakes. I'm not talking factual errors, necessarily, but just writing mistakes.
Then again, newspapers have more and more mistakes of the same kind, having laid off copy editors in huge numbers in recent decades. I think it's safe to say that for better or worse, our society doesn't really value quality in that respect. "Oh, you know what we meant," seems to be the prevailing spirit.
Agree again. And, they certainly had enough time to perfect them. It's embarrassing. Who was responsible for the liner notes?
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Post by jk on Aug 31, 2021 15:59:22 GMT
I believe it was Howie but don’t quote me on that!
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2021 16:22:18 GMT
Howie wrote them but I'm sure he wasn't responsible for the copy editing.
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