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Post by jk on May 27, 2020 9:31:53 GMT
Time for a new thread, methinks. There are songs that suddenly do things that set you on the wrong foot. Maybe you know of one. The track that prompted this thread was "Walking By Myself" by Canned Heat. What begins as triplets (just after the one-minute mark) all at once becomes the new tempo:
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on May 27, 2020 13:22:22 GMT
Would "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos be one of those songs? The second part of the song, the piano-driven part, was written by drummer, Jim Gordon.
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Post by jk on May 27, 2020 13:31:06 GMT
Would "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos be one of those songs? The second part of the song, the piano-driven part, was written by drummer, Jim Gordon.
It's certainly a marked change from part one but I wouldn't say it wrong-foots the listener--in fact the two meld together very logically. I'd say the same holds for the tag of "Matilda Mother". But not for the tag of Love's "Seven And Seven Is"! It's all so subjective at the end of the day.
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Post by Kapitan on May 27, 2020 13:51:09 GMT
This song has several such moments. (In fact, the entire album is more or less one big example.)
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Post by jk on May 28, 2020 8:54:13 GMT
"Severance" from The Serpent's Egg, arguably my favourite album by Dead Can Dance, begins in a sunny D major. Once Brendan Perry stops singing, however, it unexpectedly switches to a mournful D minor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Serpent%27s_Egg_(album)
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Post by B.E. on May 28, 2020 16:10:08 GMT
A recent favorite of mine is Dylan's 1971 single "Watching The River Flow". There's a false ending a mere 40 seconds into the song. If that's not odd enough, instead of transitioning into a musically distinct section, it just keeps on truckin' where it left off.
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Post by jk on Jun 5, 2020 15:00:00 GMT
Rhythmically, this one's a complete train wreck (pun intended) from start to finish. I used to have this on a previous forum that got scuppered so I had to go through the whole gosh darn thing again.
Anyone brave enough to listen to Robert Palmer's version of "Doctor Zhivago's Train" and check whether I've nailed the rhythmic pattern (in groups of 2 and 3 beats) will be eligible for a massive platter of fried bananas.
Intro: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 || Verse I: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || Bridge: | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | 3 2 3 | 3 3 | 3 3 2 2 || Break: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || Verse II: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || Bridge: | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | 3 2 3 | 3 3 | 3 3 2 2 || Break: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || Verse III: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 | | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || Tag: | 3 2 | 3 3 | 3 2 | 3 3 || x 6
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Post by jk on Jun 5, 2020 18:05:55 GMT
A recent favorite of mine is Dylan's 1971 single "Watching The River Flow". There's a false ending a mere 40 seconds into the song. If that's not odd enough, instead of transitioning into a musically distinct section, it just keeps on truckin' where it left off. Regrettably it's nowhere to be found online--but I believe you!
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 5, 2020 19:21:28 GMT
jk I saw your post about the odd meter shifts and I actually mean to give that a listen and try it. Been a busy day, or at least a hectic one, though. I hope to get there, though.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 6, 2020 13:54:49 GMT
The Doors had some...different...songs, and one of their songs did employ "an unexpected thing". The song is "Runnin' Blue" and the unexpected thing was guitarist Robby Krieger singing! Robby, sounding a little like Bob Dylan, sings the chorus that resembles bluegrass of all things - All right, look at my shows, not quite the walkin' blues, don't fight, too much too lose, can't fight the runnin' blues...
"Runnin' Blue", written by Robby Krieger, is also one of The Soft Parade songs that features brass and strings. It's a very unique song and was released as a single in 1969, reaching No. 64:
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Post by jk on Jun 6, 2020 14:06:28 GMT
The Doors had some...different...songs, and one of their songs did employ "an unexpected thing". The song is "Runnin' Blue" and the unexpected thing was guitarist Robby Krieger singing! Robby, sounding a little like Bob Dylan, sings the chorus that resembles bluegrass of all things - All right, look at my shows, not quite the walkin' blues, don't fight, too much too lose, can't fight the runnin' blues...
"Runnin' Blue", written by Robby Krieger, is also one of The Soft Parade songs that features brass and strings. It's a very unique song and was released as a single in 1969, reaching No. 64:
Amazing! Thanks, Sheriff. I think I'm going to have investigate TSP!
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 6, 2020 23:22:24 GMT
Anyone brave enough to listen to Robert Palmer's version of "Doctor Zhivago's Train" and check whether I've nailed the rhythmic pattern (in groups of 2 and 3 beats) will be eligible for a massive platter of fried bananas. Sounds right to me. I was just easily following along, not conducting or anything, but I think you've got it. (There was a time or two I thought not, but before I could even retrace our steps it was right, so it might have just been me being thrown by some accent or something.)
I've only ever heard Robert Palmer's mid-late '80s MTV hits, "Addicted to Love" and ... whatever the other one was. "Simply Irresistible." Never impressed by either, video models notwithstanding. (I mean, I was about 12 or something...)
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Post by jk on Jun 7, 2020 11:41:20 GMT
Anyone brave enough to listen to Robert Palmer's version of "Doctor Zhivago's Train" and check whether I've nailed the rhythmic pattern (in groups of 2 and 3 beats) will be eligible for a massive platter of fried bananas. Sounds right to me. I was just easily following along, not conducting or anything, but I think you've got it. (There was a time or two I thought not, but before I could even retrace our steps it was right, so it might have just been me being thrown by some accent or something.)
I've only ever heard Robert Palmer's mid-late '80s MTV hits, "Addicted to Love" and ... whatever the other one was. "Simply Irresistible." Never impressed by either, video models notwithstanding. (I mean, I was about 12 or something...)
Thanks, Cap'n. Yes, I wondered too at a couple of moments so I thumped along with it and it fit, although it's pretty weird stuff. What I find most disconcerting is that Palmer takes it all in his stride, as if it were the most natural rhythm in the world! There's an original out there but something keeps telling me not to listen to it. Not sure about the logic there either but I'm quite happy to stick with Palmer's version. We have and like his debut album, Sneakin' Sally Through The Alley, which has some great funk accompaniment by The Meters and Lowell George. After that... nothing really. He's not really my scene!
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 9, 2020 2:28:59 GMT
A recent favorite of mine is Dylan's 1971 single "Watching The River Flow". There's a false ending a mere 40 seconds into the song. If that's not odd enough, instead of transitioning into a musically distinct section, it just keeps on truckin' where it left off. Regrettably it's nowhere to be found online--but I believe you! But if you look, you can find a rewritten version by myself and a friend based on the lyrics another friend wrote about the increase in covid 19 cases titled "Watching the Numbers Grow". I replicated Dylan's version as closely as possible.
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Post by jk on Jun 9, 2020 9:33:51 GMT
Regrettably it's nowhere to be found online--but I believe you! But if you look, you can find a rewritten version by myself and a friend based on the lyrics another friend wrote about the increase in covid 19 cases titled "Watching the Numbers Grow". I replicated Dylan's version as closely as possible. OK, thanks, ls. I'll look for that one later.
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