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Post by kds on Feb 24, 2023 15:03:51 GMT
Other than Rumours, I don't think I've listened to any other Mac albums. I have a good compilation of the Peter Green era and a two disc comp of the Buckingham / Nicks era. Maybe that's a catalog for me to explore once I'm out of Christmas mode. Well, I've kept my word and decided to explore Fleetwood Mac's studio catalog. I'm on their final album, Say You Will now. And, I think I'm good with the compilations and copy of Rumours that I have. Although, I did like some of the Bob Welch era, and might give some of those albums another listen.
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Post by jk on Mar 1, 2023 21:22:15 GMT
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 13:23:05 GMT
More TJ&TS…
"I Think We're Alone Now" (1967)…
…and "Crystal Blue Persuasion" (1969):
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Post by carllove on Mar 2, 2023 17:05:19 GMT
Well thanks to Robert Fithen - I listened to Steely Dan’s Aja for the first time in years yesterday. I forgot how much I like Steely Dan. Very relaxing. Makes me feel all nostalgic.
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 18:00:02 GMT
Well thanks to Robert Fithen - I listened to Steely Dan’s Aja for the first time in years yesterday. I forgot how much I like Steely Dan. Very relaxing. Makes me feel all nostalgic. Hello cl. I had a problem with Aja for years, namely that it was too clean. But agreed, there are some astonishing tracks on there. More to my liking, if the truth be told, is Gaucho. My son is a huge fan of the Dan and my guitarist brother and I played "Third World Man" at his wedding reception more than a decade ago. Here's the chart I organized for that song: Riff x 4 Verse I: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 1 || Verse II: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Chorus: G/c | Fis-10 | Bm7 | Cism7 Fis-9 | Dma7 (b) | Cma7 (a) | Am Em | Fis-9 B7 || Riff x 1 Verse III: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Bridge: xx Bm/g |^C/e - C/e - |^D/e ^D/e x x x |^Bm - ^Am ^D11 | ^Bm/g x Bm/g |^C/e - C/e |^D/e ^D/e x x x | ^E11 ^D11 || Solo = Verse; Riff x 1; Verse; Riff x 2 Chorus; Riff x 2; Bridge---attacca! Coda: Riff Em | Riff B | Am D | Gma9 Cma7 | repeat! It looks horrifyingly complex in retrospect but it went well at the time!
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
Well thanks to Robert Fithen - I listened to Steely Dan’s Aja for the first time in years yesterday. I forgot how much I like Steely Dan. Very relaxing. Makes me feel all nostalgic. Hello cl. I had a problem with Aja for years, namely that it was too clean. But agreed, there are some astonishing tracks on there. Sh*t. You know what? The sax soloist on the title track of Aja, Wayne Shorter, died earlier today aged 89. I know him well from Weather Report and from his work with Joni Mitchell. A good age. May he rest in peace.
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Post by carllove on Mar 2, 2023 18:22:56 GMT
Well thanks to Robert Fithen - I listened to Steely Dan’s Aja for the first time in years yesterday. I forgot how much I like Steely Dan. Very relaxing. Makes me feel all nostalgic. Hello cl. I had a problem with Aja for years, namely that it was too clean. But agreed, there are some astonishing tracks on there. More to my liking, if the truth be told, is Gaucho. My son is a huge fan of the Dan and my guitarist brother and I played "Third World Man" at his wedding reception more than a decade ago. Here's the chart I organized for that song: Riff x 4 Verse I: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 1 || Verse II: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Chorus: G/c | Fis-10 | Bm7 | Cism7 Fis-9 | Dma7 (b) | Cma7 (a) | Am Em | Fis-9 B7 || Riff x 1 Verse III: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Bridge: xx Bm/g |^C/e - C/e - |^D/e ^D/e x x x |^Bm - ^Am ^D11 | ^Bm/g x Bm/g |^C/e - C/e |^D/e ^D/e x x x | ^E11 ^D11 || Solo = Verse; Riff x 1; Verse; Riff x 2 Chorus; Riff x 2; Bridge---attacca! Coda: Riff Em | Riff B | Am D | Gma9 Cma7 | repeat! It looks horrifyingly complex in retrospect but it went well at the time! Yikes - That looks challenging! Larry Carlton did the guitar solo on the album. I read that is one of Joni Mitchell’s favorite songs. Walter Becker was having a horrible series of events during the recording of Gaucho. I think that is one of the reasons that album has a more raw feel, than the other Dan albums.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 2, 2023 18:34:03 GMT
Hello cl. I had a problem with Aja for years, namely that it was too clean. But agreed, there are some astonishing tracks on there. More to my liking, if the truth be told, is Gaucho. My son is a huge fan of the Dan and my guitarist brother and I played "Third World Man" at his wedding reception more than a decade ago. Here's the chart I organized for that song: Riff x 4 Verse I: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 1 || Verse II: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Chorus: G/c | Fis-10 | Bm7 | Cism7 Fis-9 | Dma7 (b) | Cma7 (a) | Am Em | Fis-9 B7 || Riff x 1 Verse III: G | Bm7 | Cma7 | Em | Am7 | Bm7 | Riff x 2 || Bridge: xx Bm/g |^C/e - C/e - |^D/e ^D/e x x x |^Bm - ^Am ^D11 | ^Bm/g x Bm/g |^C/e - C/e |^D/e ^D/e x x x | ^E11 ^D11 || Solo = Verse; Riff x 1; Verse; Riff x 2 Chorus; Riff x 2; Bridge---attacca! Coda: Riff Em | Riff B | Am D | Gma9 Cma7 | repeat! It looks horrifyingly complex in retrospect but it went well at the time! Yikes - That looks challenging! Larry Carlton did the guitar solo on the album. I read that is one of Joni Mitchell’s favorite songs. Walter Becker was having a horrible series of events during the recording of Gaucho. I think that is one of the reasons that album has a more raw feel, than the other Dan albums. And, coincidentally, it's Larry Carlton's 75th Birthday today.
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Post by carllove on Mar 2, 2023 18:43:19 GMT
Good catch Sheriff! Happy Birthday Larry! 🎂
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 2, 2023 19:47:37 GMT
jk , can help me with: Fis-10 ^C/e I don't know the notation/shorthand for "is-10" or "^". I learned a few sets of chart shorthand--one from my rock guitar teacher in HS; one from my jazz teachers; and more traditional theory--but those don't look familiar. And the "10," isn't that just a third an octave up? Or is it something else?
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 21:12:40 GMT
jk , can help me with: Fis-10 ^C/e I don't know the notation/shorthand for "is-10" or "^". I learned a few sets of chart shorthand--one from my rock guitar teacher in HS; one from my jazz teachers; and more traditional theory--but those don't look familiar. And the "10," isn't that just a third an octave up? Or is it something else? Ah. Fis is Dutch for F sharp! is added to a key sharpens it and as flattens it. ^C/e in my rudimentary shorthand means a C major chord with E in the bass (a 1st or 2nd inversion, I suspect). ^ means the chord falls before the beat. The Dutch word for this is "voorgetrokken" -- would that translate as "syncopated", I wonder? Life in another country is full of mysteries. Oh, and that 10... Listening to the song, it seems to be a cack-handed way of saying that in the case of the F sharp chord, the stack of notes would be F sharp - A sharp - D - F sharp - A. Shorthand being the operative word!
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 2, 2023 21:18:30 GMT
Ah, the ^ makes sense and is actually quite helpful! (I often sketch little rough charts on my own tunes, and something like that is useful, especially if the chart I sketch is put in a notebook for years before I bother trying to record it, by which time I may have forgotten.)
The is and as make sense, though I'll just stick to # and b for those, I think.
It's always funny talking to people not just working in other countries, but other disciplines. As I was saying, I'd find more confusion between my jazz friends and my classical friends and my rock friends... That reminds me, a music professor-friend recently sent me a quiz he was giving that had some shorthand I didn't recognize. I'll dig it up and share.
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 21:28:47 GMT
Ah, the ^ makes sense and is actually quite helpful! (I often sketch little rough charts on my own tunes, and something like that is useful, especially if the chart I sketch is put in a notebook for years before I bother trying to record it, by which time I may have forgotten.) The is and as make sense, though I'll just stick to # and b for those, I think. It's always funny talking to people not just working in other countries, but other disciplines. As I was saying, I'd find more confusion between my jazz friends and my classical friends and my rock friends... That reminds me, a music professor-friend recently sent me a quiz he was giving that had some shorthand I didn't recognize. I'll dig it up and share. Please do. You'll note I've added an explanation of the 10 in my previous post...
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 2, 2023 21:46:47 GMT
OK, I'd misremembered and it's more boring than I thought. But one question said "Write chord letter names (i.e. G, G7 or gm)..."
So it wasn't something I didn't understand the meaning of, but didn't understand the point of: gm. The only difference between capital and lower case letters in chords that I knew of was for their function: I for tonal major chord, i for tonal minor chord, and so on. But gm is obviously minor because of the "m." So I asked him why not just write Gm (or even G-, which is the more typical jazz method, and I'd be fine with). (Conversely, I guess if you wanted, you could write g for G minor, though I've never seen that approach.) gm just seems redundant.
His answer was dull: the book they use writes it that way, so it was for consistency for the students.
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Post by jk on Mar 2, 2023 23:16:56 GMT
OK, I'd misremembered and it's more boring than I thought. But one question said "Write chord letter names (i.e. G, G7 or gm)..." So it wasn't something I didn't understand the meaning of, but didn't understand the point of: gm. The only difference between capital and lower case letters in chords that I knew of was for their function: I for tonal major chord, i for tonal minor chord, and so on. But gm is obviously minor because of the "m." So I asked him why not just write Gm (or even G-, which is the more typical jazz method, and I'd be fine with). (Conversely, I guess if you wanted, you could write g for G minor, though I've never seen that approach.) gm just seems redundant. His answer was dull: the book they use writes it that way, so it was for consistency for the students. Okay, thanks! Apart from that chord/bass note construct, I only exploit the difference between capital and lower case letters when I want to reproduce a melody line in an email or a post. A capital letter means a drop in pitch and a lower case letter a rise.
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