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Post by Kapitan on May 26, 2023 13:42:57 GMT
OK, I just read the article and now see my comparison to Kiss was made in the article. Call me Kapitan Obvious, I guess!
Anyway, I'd imagine the "investigation" can be pretty straightforward: it's obvious what he wore, what he did. I'd think they can just levy the punishment (presumably fines or something) and move on with it.
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Post by Kapitan on May 28, 2023 11:41:53 GMT
It seems that, confronted with the facts and relevant laws, Roger Waters has contritely and humbly admitted he was wrong ... JUST KIDDING! This is Roger Waters! Naturally he's painting himself as the righteous victim. Again, though, I'm not saying Waters is a Nazi or anything like that. He obviously is right when he says he speaks out against authoritarianism. I'm just saying, the law is the law. You're not exempt just because you think it's over the top, or you think your satirical or theatrical take should be exempt.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 15, 2023 12:39:30 GMT
This is the famous photo of Syd Barrett when he visited a Pink Floyd session for Wish You Were Here on June 5, 1975:
Here is a rarer shot from that session:
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Post by jk on Sept 15, 2023 19:42:04 GMT
Here is a rarer shot from that session:
This shows a much more human Syd. Poor fellow. It also makes you wonder what was going through Waters' head at that moment -- probably not so much the chords he was playing...
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 15, 2023 20:06:50 GMT
I'm not exactly disagreeing, jk , but I would just add that still photographs can be funny things. It looks like Barrett is making a strange face, yes, but it also could be the kind of face a person makes as he's playing (or listening to) a really cool guitar part. Think of rock and blues players' (and listeners') expressions. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't look well generally. I agree with you. He's very heavy, and the shaved head makes a person wonder. The face might indicate something wrong inside, but it also might just be "oh, that's cool!" It could be a moment of clarity!
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Post by kds on Oct 10, 2023 11:28:56 GMT
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Oct 10, 2023 12:39:04 GMT
I'll admit that I haven't been following Roger Waters' political views, so I have no idea what he's preaching. But, as a casual observer of Pink Floyd and Waters through the years, I do find it a little sad and surprising. Over the years, as Pink Floyd was dissolving, and at the same time staying afloat led by David Gilmour, Roger Waters came off looking bad. I think it's accurate to say he was "the bad guy". Many artists in Waters' position would retreat, maybe try to mend fences, and especially shut the fu-- up. But Waters had gone the other way, and it has not served him well. I felt that he really hurt his reputation and maybe even legacy after Pink Floyd broke up, and lately he's been reaching new lows. He's now destroying his reputation and legacy! And I'm not sure he really cares.
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Post by bellbottoms on Oct 10, 2023 15:35:41 GMT
It's very disappointing and although I'm more of a newly minted Pink Floyd fan, embarassing as well. I wasn't able to attend the Roger Waters concert I had a ticket for last summer, so I gave it to a friend, and he told me he actually walked out of the concert, because Waters refused to be visible, hiding behind screens on the stage.
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Post by kds on Oct 10, 2023 17:43:18 GMT
I'll admit that I haven't been following Roger Waters' political views, so I have no idea what he's preaching. But, as a casual observer of Pink Floyd and Waters through the years, I do find it a little sad and surprising. Over the years, as Pink Floyd was dissolving, and at the same time staying afloat led by David Gilmour, Roger Waters came off looking bad. I think it's accurate to say he was "the bad guy". Many artists in Waters' position would retreat, maybe try to mend fences, and especially shut the fu-- up. But Waters had gone the other way, and it has not served him well. I felt that he really hurt his reputation and maybe even legacy after Pink Floyd broke up, and lately he's been reaching new lows. He's now destroying his reputation and legacy! And I'm not sure he really cares. The sad part is Roger really rebuilt his reputation when he reemerged as a touring act in the late 90s. It was pretty apparent Pink Floyd were no more, so Roger decided to pick up the flag and run with it. He did acclaimed Floyd heavy tours. And even began to repair his relationship with Gilmour. In recent years though, something happened. I suspect it began with the 2014 Pink Floyd album The Endless River. I think Roger viewed the Live 8 reunion in 2005 as the final chapter in the Floyd Saga. But, in 2014, Gilmour releases unused 1993 sessions as a new album, saying this was the final chapter for Pink Floyd. From there, the ice between Waters and Gilmour seemed to reform. But, Roger was still touring and winning over audiences. But recent internet spats with the Gilmour camp seem to have really pushed Roger over the edge to new levels of dillusion.
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Post by Kapitan on Oct 11, 2023 11:37:27 GMT
I had previously just skimmed these posts, but didn't look into the linked article until this morning. Now I've read it plus another one.
Roger Waters should be ashamed of himself as a performer. There is nothing--nothing in the world!--wrong with doing a kind of one-man show, a spoken-word show, a storytellers show. Bruce Springsteen had quite a run on Broadway with one, after all. But how about advertising it as such? I think it's dishonest to let people think you're doing a regular concert and then launch into stories...and then cursing out fans who are obviously, predictably disappointed.
It seems to me to be pure ego. He truly seems to think he's that important. It's similar to some of his previous comments about fans who aren't happy with his political interjections into everything, or, for that matter, his interviews on those political subjects. He truly seems to think he is capital-C Correct in all things, and that people who disagree or get annoyed are just ungrateful peasants who ought to just sit down and take what's coming at them with a smile.
These people pay for his lifestyle. A person can talk about artistic or intellectual integrity all day long, but conversely, nobody owes you ticket prices. I wish they'd let their wallets speak a little louder and let him read his half-baked stories to empty seats.
(I say that as a guy who loved the music he created with Pink Floyd. I do think he was the driving force in the band in the '70s, an essential piece...maybe the essential piece.)
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Post by kds on Oct 11, 2023 17:47:31 GMT
I have a feeling that, if Roger takes this show on the road, he'll be playing to many empty seats.
Roger does seem to have some hardcore fans (Rogeristas?). One article I read said that the fans who didn't bolt gave Roger a standing ovation. I question if there are enough such fans to fill even smaller venues.
I'm reminded that when Roger did his last US Tour, each show began with a prerecorded Roger message saying if you don't like his views "fuck off to the bar."
Its a pity because Pink Floyd are my favorite band, and Roger played a huge role in most of their peak material. But, what an amazing asshole.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 11, 2023 0:35:00 GMT
A long, very sympathetic interview with Rosemary Breen, Syd Barrett's sister and eventual caretaker.
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Post by kds on Jan 12, 2024 13:34:24 GMT
Curiosity got the better of me.
Yestetday, I decided to listen to Roger Waters's Dark Side of the Moon Redux.
I guess I should credit Rog with reimagining the album, and not just releasing a second rate carbon copy. But, My God was this terrible. The life and heart has completely been stripped from the masterpiece of an album. We're just left with the brittle bones. It sounds like a pretentious coffee house version of a classic album.
And Roger has proven, yet again, that while he was a great conceptual artist and lyricist during Floyd's run, the magic of Pink Floyd was the music played by him, Richard Wright, Nick Mason, and most importantly David Gilmour. Which is why Pink Floyd were able to have massive success post Roger.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 12, 2024 13:43:17 GMT
Regarding the new Dark Side, I never even listened. I just figured, unlike something like Smile as of 2004, Dark Side of the Moon already exists. I've had it since I was about 18 or 19 years old, and never thought it was in need of improvements or reimagining, especially by a/the primary architect of it. And Roger has proven, yet again, that while he was a great conceptual artist and lyricist during Floyd's run, the magic of Pink Floyd was the music played by him, Richard Wright, Nick Mason, and most importantly David Gilmour. Which is why Pink Floyd were able to have massive success post Roger. This is true of so many of rock's greats. Two things can be true at once: one person might be the primary visionary, the greatest talent, the best songwriter or performer, or the most charismatic band member to the point that s/he is the most essential member; but almost never does that mean everyone else is expendable or replaceable like some anonymous robot fulfilling that bandleader's wishes. Even if you're not a songwriter, if you're "just" the bassist or drummer, very often you contribute something unique that makes the whole whatever it is.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 12, 2024 13:54:21 GMT
Regarding the new Dark Side, I never even listened. I just figured, unlike something like Smile as of 2004, Dark Side of the Moon already exists. I've had it since I was about 18 or 19 years old, and never thought it was in need of improvements or reimagining, especially by a/the primary architect of it. And Roger has proven, yet again, that while he was a great conceptual artist and lyricist during Floyd's run, the magic of Pink Floyd was the music played by him, Richard Wright, Nick Mason, and most importantly David Gilmour. Which is why Pink Floyd were able to have massive success post Roger. This is true of so many of rock's greats. Two things can be true at once: one person might be the primary visionary, the greatest talent, the best songwriter or performer, or the most charismatic band member to the point that s/he is the most essential member; but almost never does that mean everyone else is expendable or replaceable like some anonymous robot fulfilling that bandleader's wishes. Even if you're not a songwriter, if you're "just" the bassist or drummer, very often you contribute something unique that makes the whole whatever it is. In my opinion, Roger Waters' Dark Side Of The Moon Redux is very similar to Brian Wilson Presents Smile. Very similar. And, I think Waters' biggest mistake, also similar to Brian Wilson's - again in my (minority) opinion - was making the decision to record it as a studio album instead of leaving it as a live performance, for obvious reasons.
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