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Post by Kapitan on Sept 23, 2023 12:23:54 GMT
Yes, I do agree that those shows would be popular with fans, and (since, as you mentioned, they ARE happening in some cases) certainly they CAN happen. My speculation--which isn't exactly expert-level, either!--is just that it seems like it would be tough for multiple, full-band tours in that format to grow in popularity.
But you even mentioned something I was thinking that can make something like that work better, which is a shared backing band. So that excludes multiple bands touring, instead becomes multiple artists. But that is still a lot of fun. Imagine a tour with (for example) Brian Wilson's Wondermints-centered band, just four or five of those guys: Darian, Probyn, Mike, Scott (we're imagining...clearly this is unlikely), and Nelson, for example. Or maybe throw Paul in there. That kind of band could back any- and everybody and knock it out of the park.
I think in the early days, those tours made more sense because a) artists weren't making the kind of money they expect now, and b) tours were more about selling records than making money themselves. (They also put a lot less money into them, using very rudimentary house P.A. systems, etc.) So that is, I think, a big difference between why it might have worked then, but not now.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 23, 2023 14:21:23 GMT
But you even mentioned something I was thinking that can make something like that work better, which is a shared backing band. So that excludes multiple bands touring, instead becomes multiple artists. But that is still a lot of fun. Imagine a tour with (for example) Brian Wilson's Wondermints-centered band, just four or five of those guys: Darian, Probyn, Mike, Scott (we're imagining...clearly this is unlikely), and Nelson, for example. Or maybe throw Paul in there. That kind of band could back any- and everybody and knock it out of the park. I'm on the phone now with a promoter!
The Sounds Of Summer Tour
- The Band: Darian Sahanaja, Probyn Gregory, Paul Von Mertens, Bob Lizik, Mike D'Amico, Matt Jardine
- The Honeys - "Pray For Surf", "Shoot The Curl", "The One You Can't Have", "He's A Doll"
- David Marks - "409", "Surfin' Safari", "Hawaii", "Miserlou"
- Blondie Chaplin - "Wild Honey", "Feel Flows", "Long Promised Road", "Sail On, Sailor"
- Al Jardine - "Come Go With Me", "Then I Kissed Her", "Sloop John B", "Cotton Fields", "Honkin' Down The Highway", "Help Me, Rhonda"
- Grand finale (all artists on stage): "Barbara Ann", "Surfin' U.S.A.", "Fun, Fun, Fun"
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 7, 2024 14:09:12 GMT
This one is actually somewhat Beach Boys-related, but they're not the real subject. A question occurred to me this morning through a little online tangent whose origins are irrelevant. But:
After starting as an ace session musician, Glen Campbell became a major crossover star in the country and pop charts from the mid-late '60s right through the '70s. He did not, as a rule, write his own material, instead both performing new songs by others and both recently and long-since released covers. He was in the circle of the Wrecking Crew, and worked with the Beach Boys/Brian Wilson in the mid 60s, including famously performing with them for a stretch. Brian Wilson gave him a single, "Guess I'm Dumb," in 1965.
My question is, don't you think it's odd that for the most part, Campbell didn't record Brian Wilson songs? A quick review of his discography tells me that he didn't release a Brian Wilson composition between "Guess I'm Dumb" and, in 1977, "God Only Knows." It's not that he wasn't frequently visiting other composers' work: he did a handful of Paul Simon songs in the latter 60s and early 70s.
I wonder whether more of them were under consideration. We know he recognized Brian's talent. We know he was talented enough to pull off the complexities and even potentially reinvent the songs. His producer in the 60s and early 70s was Al De Lory, also of the Wrecking Crew and familiar with Brian's music. To me, it just seems a little odd that more of that music wouldn't come to mind.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 7, 2024 16:49:26 GMT
This one is actually somewhat Beach Boys-related, but they're not the real subject. A question occurred to me this morning through a little online tangent whose origins are irrelevant. But: After starting as an ace session musician, Glen Campbell became a major crossover star in the country and pop charts from the mid-late '60s right through the '70s. He did not, as a rule, write his own material, instead both performing new songs by others and both recently and long-since released covers. He was in the circle of the Wrecking Crew, and worked with the Beach Boys/Brian Wilson in the mid 60s, including famously performing with them for a stretch. Brian Wilson gave him a single, "Guess I'm Dumb," in 1965. My question is, don't you think it's odd that for the most part, Campbell didn't record Brian Wilson songs? A quick review of his discography tells me that he didn't release a Brian Wilson composition between "Guess I'm Dumb" and, in 1977, "God Only Knows." It's not that he wasn't frequently visiting other composers' work: he did a handful of Paul Simon songs in the latter 60s and early 70s. I wonder whether more of them were under consideration. We know he recognized Brian's talent. We know he was talented enough to pull off the complexities and even potentially reinvent the songs. His producer in the 60s and early 70s was Al De Lory, also of the Wrecking Crew and familiar with Brian's music. To me, it just seems a little odd that more of that music wouldn't come to mind. Good point(s). It is odd that Glen did not record Brian Wilson songs. He did sing some Beach Boys' songs in concert, mostly a hits medley, but that was different. Glen was one of those artists - similar to Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard and others - who were churning out not just one album, but sometimes a few albums yearly. And, check some of the titles. They were always looking for different themes or concepts to record about. Glen Campbell did record a few albums saluting other artists; Hank Williams and Jimmy Webb come to mind. So, yes, it is surprising he never got around to covering Brian Wilson. He could've easily gathered enough material to fill an album, and I'll bet it would've been a good one.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 17, 2024 13:40:17 GMT
Over the past few days, for some reason I can't even begin to explain (not because it's complex or a long story, but because I have no idea), I started trying to think of song or album titles that were plays on previous, usually classic song or album titles. The one that came to mind and arguably spurred the question was Twisted Sister's 1985 song "Be Chrool to Your Scuel."
The next thing I thought of was the Rolling Stones album Let It Bleed ... which, upon further consideration, I realized based on dates most likely was not based on "Let It Be." (I'd always lazily just assumed it was, but realized the Stones' album was released prior to either the Beatles single or album. Still could be based on it, if the Stones knew of the song prior to its release. The song was certainly around, having been recorded in very early 1969.)
I'm not sure, but maybe "Live Let Live" is based on "Live and Let Die." It seems to be, anyway, especially with the line "live let live, not die" in the song.
For some reason, I though there'd be a million others that would pop into my head. I was going to post a list in the "Musical Top 10 Lists ... For Anything!" thread--but I was stumped!
My question is: can you think of some other song or album titles that are plays on existing ones? (And not just sharing the same title, e.g. the Replacements' album Let It Be, but a play on the title.)
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Post by kds on Feb 17, 2024 14:24:34 GMT
David Lee Roth's Eat 'Em and Smile album was followed by Van Halen's OU812 (Oh, you ate one too).
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 21, 2024 14:16:10 GMT
I thought of another one: the Scottish chamber-pop group The Delgados' "All You Need is Hate."
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Post by kds on Feb 21, 2024 15:21:46 GMT
How about a band whose name is a response?
Ugly Kid Joe was named as a response to Pretty Boy Floyd.
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 21, 2024 15:27:53 GMT
How about a band whose name is a response? Ugly Kid Joe was named as a response to Pretty Boy Floyd. is that true!? I'd never heard that. A response to the band PBF, or that band's namesake, the bank robber? Because if it is a response to the band, that's a pretty low-profile target! Their "hit" album didn't even crack the Top 100. (But I, about 13, fell hard for its Poison-meets-Crue sound.)
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Post by kds on Feb 21, 2024 15:39:00 GMT
How about a band whose name is a response? Ugly Kid Joe was named as a response to Pretty Boy Floyd. is that true!? I'd never heard that. A response to the band PBF, or that band's namesake, the bank robber? Because if it is a response to the band, that's a pretty low-profile target! Their "hit" album didn't even crack the Top 100. (But I, about 13, fell hard for its Poison-meets-Crue sound.) I don't recall the exact story, but I know UKJ was a play on PBF. And, UKJ had a slightly harder sound thank the PBF, etc bands.
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