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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 30, 2020 16:12:03 GMT
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 30, 2020 17:13:31 GMT
I'll be curious to compare the Gershwin stuff to the eventually released Wilson stabs at it.
That version of "What a Wonderful World" in the RS link is enjoyable. I like it more than 90% of the OCA album.
As for the interview with (or statement by) VDP, as usual for his post-TLOS self, he can't seem to help but get a dig in.
"As for me? I arranged this album and wrote songs. Brian opted to coast and just unpack as a vocalist. He honored me that way."
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 30, 2020 18:11:15 GMT
Orange Create Art is my least favorite BW "solo-related" album. I felt that Van Dyke Parks wrote and arranged some really nice songs, and Brian proceeded to obliterate them with his vocals, both lead and background. But Parks deserved it by recruiting Brian in the first place. Did VDP put publicity, notoriety, and sales over his art? Surely he (Parks) must've known or heard that Brian's singing was not doing his material justice, IMO of course.
I have no interest in this reissue. The three bonus tracks/additions on Disc One are curious, but not essential. I really don't see how this reissue will generate any more interest or sales than the original release, which were negligible.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 30, 2020 18:56:53 GMT
Did you listen to (or already know) the version of "What a Wonderful World," SJS? What do you think of that? I ask because I think BW sings it better than he does most of the actual album.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Apr 30, 2020 19:42:06 GMT
Did you listen to (or already know) the version of "What a Wonderful World," SJS? What do you think of that? I ask because I think BW sings it better than he does most of the actual album. Today was the first time I ever heard the track. I don't find it an improvement over the rest of the album - still shouty with a voice/vocal that doesn't fit the song or the subject matter, and just plain weird. For most of Brian's solo career, especially the earlier part, his vocals made me very uncomfortable.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Apr 30, 2020 20:25:53 GMT
Did you listen to (or already know) the version of "What a Wonderful World," SJS? What do you think of that? I ask because I think BW sings it better than he does most of the actual album. I'm sure you've heard the seemingly 100th generation bootleg I have. His voice does sound better to me than the rest of the album, but that's not saying too much. I probably like his mid 90s voice even less than what he had on BW88.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 30, 2020 20:33:01 GMT
Yeah, I'd heard the boot. But it's nice hearing it in better quality, to be sure. I disagree with SJS on this specific one, though I agree more generally about shouty Brian. He still has a strange, sometimes pinched quality to his voice. And it goes without saying that he's not GREAT. But I think it's a pretty good, somewhat restrained most of the time, vocal on this.
Can't say I love the keyboard sound, though. Very late 70s/early 80s electric piano (as filtered through synths of the time), or so it sounds to me.
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Post by B.E. on Apr 30, 2020 21:14:27 GMT
I probably like his mid 90s voice even less than what he had on BW88. Oh, to me there's no debate. Some fans think Brian is too "shouty" on BW88 and other recordings around that time period. But, what he does on that album is infinitely more skillful than what we hear on his mid 90s recordings. His voice had also clearly aged over those 5-10 years.
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Post by lonelysummer on May 1, 2020 1:50:11 GMT
I never thought of the vocals as SHOUTY until I saw online fans call his vocals that. I just thought that was the way the latter day Brian sang. I love the album, I want the vinyl, but don't know that I want to pay the price for a second disc of instrumentals. The price of new vinyl is outrageous. They should have kept it just a single record - although it would be a long single disc - 55 minutes, or thereabouts. I'll just have to see how my finances are in another month. Everyone I work with is on layoff until this covid thing passes.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 12:00:33 GMT
I'm really surprised to see this happening. Three standard tracks got me curious, and I think I will buy the copy mainly for the backing tracks available only on CD. It's always good to have backing tracks for BB (and solo) releases.
That being said, this album is not a big favorite of mine. The arrangements could've been much richer, and Brian's vocals are far from the best. Perhaps it would've been better for Brian and Van to share the vocals. That way, it would've sound much more like a collaborative effort.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 12:04:03 GMT
Another point: If Omnivore deemed an archival release of 25-year-old album by Brian Wilson & Van Dyke Parks with little positive reputation, as well as a Murry Wilson EP, to be feasible for release, I feel like (re-)releases of obscure BB-related projects like Fred Vail Country album /American Spring are more likely than ever.
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Post by kds on May 1, 2020 12:52:01 GMT
I probably like his mid 90s voice even less than what he had on BW88. Oh, to me there's no debate. Some fans think Brian is too "shouty" on BW88 and other recordings around that time period. But, what he does on that album is infinitely more skillful than what we hear on his mid 90s recordings. His voice had also clearly aged over those 5-10 years. I couldn't agree more. I think his vocals from the second half of the 1980s are pretty good. But, they declined in the 1990s until Joe Thomas came along.
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Post by bellbottoms on May 1, 2020 13:02:00 GMT
Has Orange Crate Art or anything from it ever been performed live? While I’m not a fan of the album as it is (and couldn’t be less interested in this anniversary edition), I think it could be transformed in a live performance. Brian wouldn’t even need to be involved. Just a good band interpreting the songs in a live environment. Recorded and released on physical media of course, for our consumption.
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Post by Kapitan on May 1, 2020 13:22:52 GMT
Van Dyke Parks played some of that material live, including on his Moonlighting at the Ash Grove album in 1998. He also did several songs from it when he came through Minneapolis maybe around 2010-12ish. I always preferred the sound in those environments than the album itself.
Brian never did any of it, as far as I know.
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Post by Kapitan on May 1, 2020 13:26:34 GMT
Here's one example feat. people from Grizzly Bear and Fleet Foxes, among others.
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