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Post by B.E. on Nov 30, 2022 0:38:34 GMT
They had to save some of best songs for the next album - Beatles VI. The Beatles themselves enjoyed poking fun at Capitol onstage. "This next number is from an album called Beatles 6 or 98...I don't know, I haven't got it! Anyway the song is called Dizzy Miss Lizzie". "This next song is on an lp over here, I think..." People make a big deal out of Capitol changing the albums over here, but they weren't the only ones. Look at any British bands in the mid 60's - the Animals, Herman's Hermits, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks - that's how things were done back then. Over here, the record labels always wanted the albums to feature a group's latest hits. Oddly, then, Colonel Parker insisted that Elvis Presley's albums NOT feature his singles - no need for the kids to buy the same songs twice. These days, Elvis fans complain that Elvis Presley (1956), Elvis (1956), Elvis is Back (1960), Something for Everybody (1961) and Pot Luck (1962) don't include the singles that were out at the time of those albums. You can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself. I don't give Capitol a pass for the arbitrary restrictions they placed on themselves or the poor business practices and strategies they implemented. I think it's pretty ironic that they managed to assemble weaker albums despite opting for the strategy of including the hit singles on albums. There was plenty of room on American vinyl for 14 tracks.
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 30, 2022 4:57:43 GMT
They had to save some of best songs for the next album - Beatles VI. The Beatles themselves enjoyed poking fun at Capitol onstage. "This next number is from an album called Beatles 6 or 98...I don't know, I haven't got it! Anyway the song is called Dizzy Miss Lizzie". "This next song is on an lp over here, I think..." People make a big deal out of Capitol changing the albums over here, but they weren't the only ones. Look at any British bands in the mid 60's - the Animals, Herman's Hermits, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks - that's how things were done back then. Over here, the record labels always wanted the albums to feature a group's latest hits. Oddly, then, Colonel Parker insisted that Elvis Presley's albums NOT feature his singles - no need for the kids to buy the same songs twice. These days, Elvis fans complain that Elvis Presley (1956), Elvis (1956), Elvis is Back (1960), Something for Everybody (1961) and Pot Luck (1962) don't include the singles that were out at the time of those albums. You can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself. I don't give Capitol a pass for the arbitrary restrictions they placed on themselves or the poor business practices and strategies they implemented. I think it's pretty ironic that they managed to assemble weaker albums despite opting for the strategy of including the hit singles on albums. There was plenty of room on American vinyl for 14 tracks. So are you saying, release Beatles for Sale as it is, but add I Feel Fine and She's a Woman? That would be 16 tracks. If we keep it at 14 tracks, which two would you leave off to include the hit single? I don't know of any American label that was putting out 14 track albums in 1964. Maybe they should have, but they didn't.
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Post by B.E. on Nov 30, 2022 23:58:38 GMT
So are you saying, release Beatles for Sale as it is, but add I Feel Fine and She's a Woman? That would be 16 tracks. If we keep it at 14 tracks, which two would you leave off to include the hit single? If it were entirely up to me, there would be very little (if any) difference between the US and UK discographies. Beatles '65 wouldn't exist. There'd only be Beatles for Sale. That said, which two tracks would I leave off a 14-track Beatles '65 which included "I Feel Fine" and "She's A Woman"? I'd (probably) leave off "Mr. Moonlight" and "Words of Love". Personal preference aside, I recognize that "Mr. Moonlight" isn't a beloved highlight of the album, nor was the song itself very popular. And I think you have to place extra weight on "Honey Don't" and "Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby" because those are the lone tracks sung by Ringo and George on the album. So, here, I'd favor originals and balancing contributions from each member. I could see swapping "Words of Love" with "Kansas City", but I just think the performance of the latter is better. I'd also consider just keeping "Words of Love" over "She's A Woman", actually. I think "Kansas City" might be a better rocker from Paul, anyway (than "She's A Woman" is). Hmm, tough call. Like I said, I'd probably end up leaving off "Mr. Moonlight" and "Words of Love".
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 1, 2022 2:41:34 GMT
Okay, we already covered The Early Beatles aka Introducing the Beatles aka The Beatles Versus the 4 Seasons and Songs and Pictures of the Fabulous Beatles, so we'll move on to Beatles IV (don't worry, we'll get to the Polydor stuff eventually). Kansas City Eight Days a Week You Like Me Too Much Bad Boy I Don't Want to Spoil the Party Words of Love What You're Doing Yes it is Dizzie Miss Lizzy Tell Me What You See Every Little Thing there's not a bad track here! Attachments:
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Post by kds on Dec 1, 2022 21:29:06 GMT
Best - Eight Days a Week - Classic track, although I did consider Tell Me What You See and You Like Me Too Much
Worst - Kansas City - You're right, there's not a bad track on here, but this is my pick for least good.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 1, 2022 23:54:50 GMT
This one is really hard. There may not be a bad song in the bunch, but for me, there isn't one that stands out above the rest either.
BEST SONG: It was between a rocker, "Bad Boy" and a ballad, "Yes It Is". Because I'm in a...rockier mood today, I'll go with "Bad Boy", but ask me tomorrow and it might be the ballad.
WORST SONG: I'll go with "Kansas City", too. Good effort but they/Paul might've tried too hard. It kind of grates on me.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 2, 2022 0:27:28 GMT
Best - Eight Days a Week - Classic track, although I did consider Tell Me What You See and You Like Me Too Much Worst - Kansas City - You're right, there's not a bad track on here, but this is my pick for least good. Same picks for me. Eight Days a Week (one of the first Beatles songs I ever knew that was not found on the Hey Jude compilation that resembles Past Masters Vol II, btw) is the big winner. The Beatles were great with those kind of midtempo, sauntering feels, and it's got that fantastic, epic intro. I love the "hold me, love me" pre-chorus, too. Actually I love everything about it. Just fantastic.
And Kansas City is my pick for worst.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 2, 2022 3:43:50 GMT
It seems we are all down on Kansas City. Once I heard the Little Richard version, I had no use for the Beatles version. This is gonna be controversial, but sometimes - not always - Paul sounds like he is trying to hard to rock. Does that make sense? John always sounded convincing on the rockers - it's like, at his core, that's who he was. I can't think of anyone who sang just straight rock better. Paul naturally had a pretty voice, but he was pretty convincing on Long Tall Sally, and much later, Oh Darling. I'm probably wrong about all that. One favorite track? That's tough. I Don't Want to Spoil the Party is a contender - especially that middle eight! I used to be able to sing in that range - of course, it sounded like I was straining to get there! Love the chords in that section, and George's country guitar throughout. What You're Doing is one I never could sing in that range! You've got me beat, Paulie! Love the 12 string guitar lick and the drums that open the song. Every Little Thing used to be my favorite, and I can sing that one. Eight Days a Week is a winner, even George's You Like Me Too Much, but I think my final pick is What You're Doing. How could I leave out Yes it Is? Great harmonies. Not as a great a song as This Boy, but it's close.
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Post by kds on Dec 2, 2022 14:50:22 GMT
Unfortunately, Kansas City also has a negative association for me.
Back in 2014, the Baltimore Orioles ran away with the AL East. Then, swept the Detroit Tigers in the ALDS to face the Kansas City Royals in the ALCS for a trip to the World Series.
The underdog Royals swept the Orioles, dashing Baltimore's hopes for a first World Series berth in over three decades. As the Royals celebrated on the field at Kaufmann Stadium, you could hear the PA blaring The Beatles version of Kansas City.
That song was never a go-to Beatles track before that, unless I happened to the listening to For Sale, but now every time I hear it, I think about the one time the Orioles truly got close to a World Series in my adult life, and how that hope was snuffed out in Kansas City.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 4, 2022 7:07:36 GMT
Unfortunately, Kansas City also has a negative association for me. Back in 2014, the Baltimore Orioles ran away with the AL East. Then, swept the Detroit Tigers in the ALDS to face the Kansas City Royals in the ALCS for a trip to the World Series. The underdog Royals swept the Orioles, dashing Baltimore's hopes for a first World Series berth in over three decades. As the Royals celebrated on the field at Kaufmann Stadium, you could hear the PA blaring The Beatles version of Kansas City. That song was never a go-to Beatles track before that, unless I happened to the listening to For Sale, but now every time I hear it, I think about the one time the Orioles truly got close to a World Series in my adult life, and how that hope was snuffed out in Kansas City. As a lifelong Seattle Mariners fan, I sympathize. Your Orioles did have some great teams in the past, though. My guys have NEVER made it to the fall classic.
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Post by kds on Dec 4, 2022 14:27:09 GMT
Unfortunately, Kansas City also has a negative association for me. Back in 2014, the Baltimore Orioles ran away with the AL East. Then, swept the Detroit Tigers in the ALDS to face the Kansas City Royals in the ALCS for a trip to the World Series. The underdog Royals swept the Orioles, dashing Baltimore's hopes for a first World Series berth in over three decades. As the Royals celebrated on the field at Kaufmann Stadium, you could hear the PA blaring The Beatles version of Kansas City. That song was never a go-to Beatles track before that, unless I happened to the listening to For Sale, but now every time I hear it, I think about the one time the Orioles truly got close to a World Series in my adult life, and how that hope was snuffed out in Kansas City. As a lifelong Seattle Mariners fan, I sympathize. Your Orioles did have some great teams in the past, though. My guys have NEVER made it to the fall classic. Unfortunately, the Orioles glory years were before my time. They did win a title once in my lifetime, but I was only three (1983).
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 4, 2022 14:46:33 GMT
I was of an age to be spoiled with that: the Twins won when I was 11 ('87) and 15 ('91). I still know those teams better than any other MLB team in history, before or since. Alas, it's been mostly rough in the interim ... 31 years!? Where did those years go?
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 5, 2022 4:36:22 GMT
I was of an age to be spoiled with that: the Twins won when I was 11 ('87) and 15 ('91). I still know those teams better than any other MLB team in history, before or since. Alas, it's been mostly rough in the interim ... 31 years!? Where did those years go? Well, you guys can laugh at my Mariners. They've never won anything in my lifetime. Or anyone else's.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 5, 2022 21:54:02 GMT
The Help! sountrack is next. There's only 7 Beatles tracks to choose from:
Help! The Night Before You've Got to Hide Your Love Away I Need You Another Girl Ticket to Ride You're Gonna Lose That Girl
Do I need to list the score music by title? There's something called From Me to You Fantasy, In the Tyrol, Another Hard Days' Night, and i've forgotten the other two. This is easily the worst Capitol album because so much of it is taken up with score music by Ken Thorne. In instrumentals on AHDN I kind of enjoyed; these just amuse and annoy.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 6, 2022 3:25:04 GMT
This is John speaking with his voice Attachments:
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