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Post by carllove on Sept 12, 2021 3:42:42 GMT
Watched this tonight on Amazon Prime Video and thought it was really good. It is a bit depressing at times, but there is a lot of fascinating stuff about Val Kilmer that I never knew.
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Post by zinczag on Sept 12, 2021 4:00:47 GMT
Watched this tonight on Amazon Prime Video and thought it was really good. It is a bit depressing at times, but there is a lot of fascinating stuff about Val Kilmer that I never knew. What did he say about his Doors film? Is he actually Doors fan or did he do research/listen to music just to play Jim, then cameras quit rolling & he forgot about Doors entirely? It'd be cool to hear.
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Post by carllove on Sept 12, 2021 4:56:31 GMT
Watched this tonight on Amazon Prime Video and thought it was really good. It is a bit depressing at times, but there is a lot of fascinating stuff about Val Kilmer that I never knew. What did he say about his Doors film? Is he actually Doors fan or did he do research/listen to music just to play Jim, then cameras quit rolling & he forgot about Doors entirely? It'd be cool to hear. He actually spent quite a lot of time researching Jim Morrison and his movements to get them down. He seemed to have enjoyed playing the part, and there is some mention to the mysticism behind the music which drew him to want to participate in the project.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 22, 2021 18:39:01 GMT
Today I learned there is a new Wonder Years about to launch. The original was about a white, suburban family in 1967; this time it's a black family starting in 1968. I believe the perspective is again from the young (junior high?) son.
I'm not sure how interested I am, although I did love the original when it aired. As I recall, I was exactly "Kevin Arnold's" age, so when he was going into 7th grade, so was I, and so on.
I have seen some people complain that it is "woke," but I'm guessing that's just because they switched the premise to a black family. That aspect doesn't bother me, and in fact it could be REALLY interesting. 1968 was a big year in many ways, and that would be true for middle class black families (as this appears to be) in some similar, though of course some different, ways that 1967 was in the original for the Arnold family, when they dealt with generational issues, the war, feminism, and so on. If it's well done, it would be well worth watching.
I might check out the new one, but honestly I don't like the laziness of TV and movie execs who are focused on so many remakes and reboots. I'd rather see an interesting, new storyline that doesn't rely largely on audiences relating the show to their own nostalgia for an old one.
However, I realize the odds of some execs to green-light the exact same show as a new one rather than capitalizing on the known brand The Wonder Years are miniscule. They will always take the easy--even when lazy and boring--route, as it is a safer bet.
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Post by kds on Sept 22, 2021 19:02:47 GMT
I really think the rise of streaming is partly to blame for the increase in recycled ideas. Now, you have broadcast and cable TV, as well as a ton of streaming services, and there are only so many ideas to go around.
The original Wonder Years was one of my favorite TV shows growing up. But, my interest in the new show is really right around zero. It doesn't help that I struggle to find time to watch and focus on new shows. And the couple previews I've seen just don't look very enticing to me. I'll at least give them credit for not making the new family essentially an African American version of The Arnolds.
I'm actually a little surprised they didn't opt to have the show take place in the 90s to try to get in on 90s nostalgia, or even the 00s to be at the forefront of the inevitable 00s nostalgia.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 22, 2021 19:15:51 GMT
I'm actually a little surprised they didn't opt to have the show take place in the 90s to try to get in on 90s nostalgia, or even the 00s to be at the forefront of the inevitable 00s nostalgia. This surprised me, too: the original show was (if I'm not mistaken) set 20 years in the past. That would mean the new show would have taken place in 2001, not 1968. I'm sure the decision was made because 1968 is such a fertile year for storylines ... but isn't 2001, too? I wonder if the national themes now feel too soon, too recent, meaning too controversial.
For example, various Civil Rights legislation? Not a lot of modern people are going to be upset about its passage back in '68. But George W. Bush is still quite a divisive figure. The general trends of national politics aren't all that different than they were then in terms of who thinks what, where the divisions are, etc. Whereas in 1967-68, there were conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans, party-crossing class divides, party-crossing ideologies.
Any stance the show took on 2001 would inevitably be seen as (and probably be) inherently divisive. Though let's be serious, this is a major network show. We can guess what political sides it would take, if any.
I ought to watch previews or something. Maybe it would be good. If nothing else, I'd hope the music is!
EDIT - I just watched this trailer. I love Don Cheadle, great choice for narrator. And I think there seem to be enough funny bits (and not enough annoying bits) to give it a try, at least the first episode. We'll see after that.
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Post by kds on Sept 22, 2021 19:21:46 GMT
I'm actually a little surprised they didn't opt to have the show take place in the 90s to try to get in on 90s nostalgia, or even the 00s to be at the forefront of the inevitable 00s nostalgia. This surprised me, too: the original show was (if I'm not mistaken) set 20 years in the past. That would mean the new show would have taken place in 2001, not 1968. I'm sure the decision was made because 1968 is such a fertile year for storylines ... but isn't 2001, too? I wonder if the national themes now feel too soon, too recent, meaning too controversial.
For example, various Civil Rights legislation? Not a lot of modern people are going to be upset about its passage back in '68. But George W. Bush is still quite a divisive figure. The general trends of national politics aren't all that different than they were then in terms of who thinks what, where the divisions are, etc. Whereas in 1967-68, there were conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans, party-crossing class divides, party-crossing ideologies.
Any stance the show took on 2001 would inevitably be seen as (and probably be) inherently divisive. Though let's be serious, this is a major network show. We can guess what political sides it would take, if any.
I ought to watch previews or something. Maybe it would be good. If nothing else, I'd hope the music is! Maybe it's because the 00s took place in the internet age with the divide we're experiencing now really began, but I could see the network wanting to stray from that, which is a shame really. It's also a shame that you'd have a lot of people reading into the show, trying to find agendas that may or may not be there, but that's a whole other ball of wax. That's one thing for sure the music of a 1968 based show would be far better than a 1990s or 2000s show. I wonder if they'll use as much copyrighted music as the original series did. That was a major hold on in that series getting a DVD release. As a recall, they were able to get the rights to use most of the songs from the original series, but not all of them.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 22, 2021 19:24:55 GMT
October will have me visiting a movie theater for the first time in close to two years (I think The Invisible Man was the last one, good film, btw). The new Bond film No Time To Die is being released on the 8th. It's the longest Bond film to date, so hopefully it doesn't drag on too much. The next week, the second installment in the new "trilogy" of Halloween, Halloween Kills will be released. Halloween is my favorite horror series, so I'm really looking forward to it.
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Post by kds on Sept 22, 2021 19:39:17 GMT
I still haven't seen the 2018 Halloween sequel. The original Halloween movie is one of my favorite all time horror movies, but I have to admit, my interest has been pretty low with recent entries.
I didn't like H20 (1998) one bit. I thought that reboot was done just to glom off the recent mid 90s slasher revival (Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer). I've never even bothered to watch Resurrection (2002).
The Rob Zombie remake from 2007 was decent for what it was, but I found it's not very rewatchable. At least he tried to do something a little different on the 2009 sequel, even if I don't think it's really well executed.
Then, in 2018, we get another reboot, acting as a direct sequel to the original (I'm not sure why, I think Halloween II is actually pretty good). I'll probably check it out one day, but I've just not found the motivation.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 23, 2021 12:19:45 GMT
I still haven't seen the 2018 Halloween sequel. The original Halloween movie is one of my favorite all time horror movies, but I have to admit, my interest has been pretty low with recent entries. I didn't like H20 (1998) one bit. I thought that reboot was done just to glom off the recent mid 90s slasher revival (Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer). I've never even bothered to watch Resurrection (2002). The Rob Zombie remake from 2007 was decent for what it was, but I found it's not very rewatchable. At least he tried to do something a little different on the 2009 sequel, even if I don't think it's really well executed. Then, in 2018, we get another reboot, acting as a direct sequel to the original (I'm not sure why, I think Halloween II is actually pretty good). I'll probably check it out one day, but I've just not found the motivation. It seems like most people really like the new reboot, but I've seen a few comments from people who hate it. That goes with the territory on most newer horror films, imo. I generally agree with your other comments, although I liked H20. I actually like the direction the reboot has taken, it's better than endless sequels like Friday the 13th. With Halloween there's now multiple timelines you can follow, sort of acting as what if's. I wouldn't be surprised in the future if there's another reboot down the road with Danielle Harris reprising her role as Michael's niece.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 23, 2021 12:22:19 GMT
I'm actually a little surprised they didn't opt to have the show take place in the 90s to try to get in on 90s nostalgia, or even the 00s to be at the forefront of the inevitable 00s nostalgia. This surprised me, too: the original show was (if I'm not mistaken) set 20 years in the past. That would mean the new show would have taken place in 2001, not 1968. I'm sure the decision was made because 1968 is such a fertile year for storylines ... but isn't 2001, too? I wonder if the national themes now feel too soon, too recent, meaning too controversial. For example, various Civil Rights legislation? Not a lot of modern people are going to be upset about its passage back in '68. But George W. Bush is still quite a divisive figure. The general trends of national politics aren't all that different than they were then in terms of who thinks what, where the divisions are, etc. Whereas in 1967-68, there were conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans, party-crossing class divides, party-crossing ideologies. Any stance the show took on 2001 would inevitably be seen as (and probably be) inherently divisive. Though let's be serious, this is a major network show. We can guess what political sides it would take, if any. I ought to watch previews or something. Maybe it would be good. If nothing else, I'd hope the music is! EDIT - I just watched this trailer. I love Don Cheadle, great choice for narrator. And I think there seem to be enough funny bits (and not enough annoying bits) to give it a try, at least the first episode. We'll see after that.
Did you end up watching? I did (you sort of talked me into it) and thought it was pretty good. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet, but I only thought one thing was kind of forced into the storyline. I didn't see any wokeness or whatever else critics were talking about.
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Post by kds on Sept 23, 2021 12:26:53 GMT
I still haven't seen the 2018 Halloween sequel. The original Halloween movie is one of my favorite all time horror movies, but I have to admit, my interest has been pretty low with recent entries. I didn't like H20 (1998) one bit. I thought that reboot was done just to glom off the recent mid 90s slasher revival (Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer). I've never even bothered to watch Resurrection (2002). The Rob Zombie remake from 2007 was decent for what it was, but I found it's not very rewatchable. At least he tried to do something a little different on the 2009 sequel, even if I don't think it's really well executed. Then, in 2018, we get another reboot, acting as a direct sequel to the original (I'm not sure why, I think Halloween II is actually pretty good). I'll probably check it out one day, but I've just not found the motivation. It seems like most people really like the new reboot, but I've seen a few comments from people who hate it. That goes with the territory on most newer horror films, imo. I generally agree with your other comments, although I liked H20. I actually like the direction the reboot has taken, it's better than endless sequels like Friday the 13th. With Halloween there's now multiple timelines you can follow, sort of acting as what if's. I wouldn't be surprised in the future if there's another reboot down the road with Danielle Harris reprising her role as Michael's niece. I thought it was interesting that Harris was cast as Laurie's friend Annie in the Zombie Halloween franchise. I'll probably check out the new sequels at some point. But, speaking of Halloween movies, I'll say that I avoided Halloween III my whole life. But, I gave it a chance two or three years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I wonder what would've happened if that movie had been a success, and they turned "Halloween" into an anthology franchise.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Sept 23, 2021 13:06:42 GMT
It seems like most people really like the new reboot, but I've seen a few comments from people who hate it. That goes with the territory on most newer horror films, imo. I generally agree with your other comments, although I liked H20. I actually like the direction the reboot has taken, it's better than endless sequels like Friday the 13th. With Halloween there's now multiple timelines you can follow, sort of acting as what if's. I wouldn't be surprised in the future if there's another reboot down the road with Danielle Harris reprising her role as Michael's niece. I thought it was interesting that Harris was cast as Laurie's friend Annie in the Zombie Halloween franchise. I'll probably check out the new sequels at some point. But, speaking of Halloween movies, I'll say that I avoided Halloween III my whole life. But, I gave it a chance two or three years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I wonder what would've happened if that movie had been a success, and they turned "Halloween" into an anthology franchise. I thought it was a good movie as well. Too many people looked at it through the lens of the first two films when it had nothing to do with them. I think one of the producers said people were walking out of movie theaters asking where Michael Myers was. Maybe that was a marketing failure on their part.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 23, 2021 13:07:05 GMT
Did you end up watching? I did (you sort of talked me into it) and thought it was pretty good. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet, but I only thought one thing was kind of forced into the storyline. I didn't see any wokeness or whatever else critics were talking about. I haven't watched it yet, no. But I do intend to one of these days, at least once.
As for the criticism, it's funny considering the damn show hadn't even aired yet! Any criticism coming from the public before a show is even released deserves skepticism. (If it's from actual critics who have seen pre-release previews, that is different of course.)
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Post by kds on Sept 23, 2021 13:17:01 GMT
I thought it was interesting that Harris was cast as Laurie's friend Annie in the Zombie Halloween franchise. I'll probably check out the new sequels at some point. But, speaking of Halloween movies, I'll say that I avoided Halloween III my whole life. But, I gave it a chance two or three years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I wonder what would've happened if that movie had been a success, and they turned "Halloween" into an anthology franchise. I thought it was a good movie as well. Too many people looked at it through the lens of the first two films when it had nothing to do with them. I think one of the producers said people were walking out of movie theaters asking where Michael Myers was. Maybe that was a marketing failure on their part. It does seem like the movie has been finding an audience (myself included) in recent years. I've even seen merch for the movie the last couple years. I'd agree that it was probably very poor marketing on the studios part. Also, maybe instead of Halloween, they could've titled it "Season of the Witch: A Halloween Story," or something like that. "Halloween III" does create a different expectation. I think it's actually better than any Halloween movie I've seen past Halloween 4.
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