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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Dec 31, 2020 15:18:43 GMT
Little Saint Nick officially charted in the hot 100 for the first time, reaching #47 in the most recent list. It's the first time the Boys have charted since Still Cruisin' was last in the hot 100 in 1989. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
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Post by kds on Dec 31, 2020 16:12:59 GMT
Wow, LSN is one of many Christmas songs from various eras. I guess a lot of people (myself included) have been playing a lot of Christmas music on Spotify.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Dec 31, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
I was surprised to read this, but on the other hand, I'm not. "Little Saint Nick" is part of a nucleus of classic Christmas songs that gets played each year, well, everywhere. And, as I recently posted in another thread, there's just something about a great Beach Boys' song and the Beach Boys' sound that many people never get tired of hearing, no matter the year, the state of music, whatever. I really believe that.
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Post by jk on Jan 1, 2021 11:05:34 GMT
I was surprised to read this, but on the other hand, I'm not. "Little Saint Nick" is part of a nucleus of classic Christmas songs that gets played each year, well, everywhere. And, as I recently posted in another thread, there's just something about a great Beach Boys' song and the Beach Boys' sound that many people never get tired of hearing, no matter the year, the state of music, whatever. I really believe that. I've never heard it over here in NL. I think that says more about the Dutch than it does about The Beach Boys (you're lucky if you get to hear "Kokomo" in the grocery aisle). "Little Saint Nick" vies with Dennis's "Morning Christmas" as my favourite Yuletide pop song.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 1, 2021 12:39:09 GMT
I was surprised to read this, but on the other hand, I'm not. "Little Saint Nick" is part of a nucleus of classic Christmas songs that gets played each year, well, everywhere. And, as I recently posted in another thread, there's just something about a great Beach Boys' song and the Beach Boys' sound that many people never get tired of hearing, no matter the year, the state of music, whatever. I really believe that. I've never heard it over here in NL. I think that says more about the Dutch than it does about The Beach Boys (you're lucky if you get to hear "Kokomo" in the grocery aisle). "Little Saint Nick" vies with Dennis's "Morning Christmas" as my favourite Yuletide pop song. That's very surprising to read, jk. I thought "Little Saint Nick" was pretty much universally played each year. And, yes, "Morning Christmas" is one of my favorites, too. Essential Christmas listening. Someday, somebody is going to make a great cover of it.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 8, 2021 16:17:57 GMT
I was just thinking about how Beach Boys albums charted (in the U.S. specifically), and I've got a couple of thought/questions for discussion.
1) Sunflower obviously was an abysmal failure in terms of sales and charts, peaking at 151. Surf's Up was a huge improvement, at 29, but both Carl and The Passions: So Tough (50) and Holland (36) represented a decline again. If Jack Reilly is to be credited for the boost in relevance, what do you think explains the nearly immediate decline? And if not, then how do you explain the improvement and subsequent decline?
2) Possibly contrary to popular conception, every album from MIU through Still Cruisin' was more successful on the charts than the last: MIU (151), LA (100), KTSA (75), 85 (52), Still Cruisin' (46). For my taste, that is almost the exact opposite of the quality of the albums. I'm curious what you think, and how you'd explain those chart numbers.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 8, 2021 16:29:14 GMT
I was just thinking about how Beach Boys albums charted (in the U.S. specifically), and I've got a couple of thought/questions for discussion. 2) Possibly contrary to popular conception, every album from MIU through Still Cruisin' was more successful on the charts than the last: MIU (151), LA (100), KTSA (75), 85 (52), Still Cruisin' (46). For my taste, that is almost the exact opposite of the quality of the albums. I'm curious what you think, and how you'd explain those chart numbers.
My first thought is just to look at the singles: "Good Timin'" (and "Here Comes The Night") charted higher than "Peggy Sue", "Getcha Back" higher than either of those (or "Goin' On"), "Kokomo" higher still. Of course, KTSA is an outlier in this regard. Edit: And let's not forget, as I often do, that "Wipe Out" reached #12!
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Post by kds on Jan 8, 2021 16:56:35 GMT
I was thinking along the same lines as BE. Plus, with BB85, it had been five years, and I think there was a certain curiosity at what the Boys would do without Dennis.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 8, 2021 16:56:57 GMT
I was just thinking about how Beach Boys albums charted (in the U.S. specifically), and I've got a couple of thought/questions for discussion. 2) Possibly contrary to popular conception, every album from MIU through Still Cruisin' was more successful on the charts than the last: MIU (151), LA (100), KTSA (75), 85 (52), Still Cruisin' (46). For my taste, that is almost the exact opposite of the quality of the albums. I'm curious what you think, and how you'd explain those chart numbers.
My first thought is just to look at the singles: "Good Timin'" (and "Here Comes The Night") charted higher than "Peggy Sue", "Getcha Back" higher than either of those (or "Goin' On"), "Kokomo" higher still. Of course, KTSA is an outlier in this regard. Edit: And let's not forget, as I often do, that "Wipe Out" reached #12! I agree with B.E. - the power of the (hit) single.
It's just my opinion, and I've been expressing it recently in regard to the early 1970's albums. There was some (a lot of?) hype surrounding Surf's Up with Jack Rieley arriving on the scene and Van Dyke Park's involvement. And, maybe, just maybe the people who purchased Surf's Up weren't...that impressed with it...and it showed with the sales of the next album or two. I really believe, in many cases, that the success of a particular album is so much influenced by the artist's PREVIOUS one.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 8, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
I really believe, in many cases, that the success of a particular album is so much influenced by the artist's PREVIOUS one. I definitely think there's truth to that (both in music and elsewhere). Just knowing when and how much is pretty much impossible. I think it's worth comparing the chart runs, too. (Which may both support and contradict our positions!) 15BO - #8, 26 weeks LY - #53, 7 weeks MIU - #151, 4 weeks LA - #100, 13 weeks KTSA - #75, 6 weeks BB85 - #52, 14 weeks SC - #46, 22 weeks So, on one hand, I think it's impressive that 15BO lasted 26 weeks considering its reputation. If consumer's rejected the album and LY was doomed as a result, why did they keep buying it? Even after, presumably, having bought the singles? On the other hand, it had two top 40 hits, including a top 5 to sustain it (not to mention the hype surrounding the comeback). From this "power of the hit single" perspective, I can't help but notice how similar the chart stays were for 15BO and SC, and how they differ from the rest. Also, although KTSA appears to be an outlier at first glance, LA might have actually sold more records. KTSA faded quicker with its one, lesser hit.
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Post by kds on Jan 14, 2021 14:16:39 GMT
I saw on EH, and just confirmed it on Billboard, that Sounds of Summer is sitting at #140 right now. The 2003 compilation usually charts in the summer months, but it's somewhat odd to see it chart now. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200Perhaps this speaks to the lack of new releases in 2020, but there are a lot of legacy albums and comps on the list - from AC/DC, Petty, Journey, Billy Joel, Bob Marley, Bob Seger, Elvis, Bon Jovi, The Beatles, etc. I noticed this at Christmastime too. I don't typically follow the charts, so I really don't know if this is a new trend. Just for S&Gs, I checked Jan 2020 and saw a handful of legacy artists too.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 14, 2021 14:26:47 GMT
Interesting idea to look back, so I quickly scanned a week from January 2019: Queen is represented twice, but partly because of the Queen boom driven by the movie (as both the soundtrack from that, plus Greatest Hits, were among the Top 40). But within the Top 100 I see Fleetwood Mac Rumors and Greatest Hits, Beatles White Album, Journey's Greatest Hits, Bob Marley's Greatest Hits, CCR's Greatest Hits, Michael Jackson's Greatest Hits, Billy Joel's Greatest Hits--all in the Top 100.
It makes me wonder, is this a permanent feature of the charts? January three years running, it could be a winter thing. But it might just be that some of those biggest sellers are almost ALWAYS in the Top 200, or at least rotating in and out.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 14, 2021 14:29:30 GMT
March 2015 had far fewer: Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti was pretty high up, and then the Top 100 had Carrie Underwood Greatest Hits and toward the bottom of that range, Journey's and Bob Marley's Greatest Hits. But that's it. The experiment continues.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 14, 2021 14:33:45 GMT
September '17: nothing in the Top 50; Tupac Shakur's Greatest Hits at 61 is the first; Queen's GH, Don Williams GH are the only others in the latter stages of the Top 100.
Another January, with 2013: Ray Charles Forever, Van Morrison Moondance are all that hit the Top 100.
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Post by kds on Jan 14, 2021 14:42:07 GMT
I rolled it back 20 years, to Januaury 2001. Other than some fairly recently released comps (ie. The Beatles 1 is the number 1 album), there's really nothing to speak of. Of course in 2001, the charts were driven by tangible sales, so I'd say this backs up my theory of streaming having a huge effect on the re-entry of older albums and comps on the charts. www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/2001-01-20
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