bellbottoms
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Post by bellbottoms on Feb 4, 2020 14:58:10 GMT
Well, this certain won't help the Brian v Mike narrative. Mike should have anticipated this. Associating the group with trophy hunting wasn't too bright. He might actually enjoy it. I don't think he intentionally sets out to attract negative attention, but I think maybe he'll take what he can get. The Beach Boys are in the news. I also think he maybe enjoys having an adversarial relationship with Brian.
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 15:03:15 GMT
It'll blow over, but only to a certain extent. No, I'm not expecting to see many disgruntled, anti-trophy hunting people picketing outside Beach Boys' concerts. I'm not expecting to see many Beach Boys' fans boycotting shows in/near their home town. And, I don't expect to see a movement that includes burning Beach Boys' records.  I think you're underselling this a bit. I'd agree at 5,000 signatures, but we are very close to 80,000 now. Sure, there won't be any picketing, but that's a large crowd of potential fans, or casual fans, who may decide to avoid the Beach Boys music in the future. There was no need to alienate these people. Mike surely doesn't need the money from that one gig.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 15:06:38 GMT
Yeah, it's now #5 news at BBC's site: www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51369603This is no longer the usual "Mike Love haters hate Mike Love" stuff. It has spread far more wider than that. The consequences would be immense, sadly. |
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 15:13:02 GMT
Yeah, it's now #5 news at BBC's site: www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51369603This is no longer the usual "Mike Love haters hate Mike Love" stuff. It has spread far more wider than that. The consequences would be immense, sadly. What I find interesting about that, though, is the petition had already taken off prior to Brian's statement and MSM picking it up. The signature rate has actually decreased since then (though, naturally, it's still climbing).
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Post by kds on Feb 4, 2020 15:14:47 GMT
It'll blow over, but only to a certain extent. No, I'm not expecting to see many disgruntled, anti-trophy hunting people picketing outside Beach Boys' concerts. I'm not expecting to see many Beach Boys' fans boycotting shows in/near their home town. And, I don't expect to see a movement that includes burning Beach Boys' records.
What I do expect to see is another unfortunate topic or talking point added to future Beach Boys/Mike Love interviews and articles. This is the kind of stuff that sticks, unfortunately. Will it affect their legacy? No, and we've been over that ad nauseam. But, it'll pop up for awhile, and, hey, it's another example of the group bringing it upon themselves. They just never learn.
Right, this is the band that should write a book on how to shoot yourself in the foot over and over.
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 15:18:02 GMT
Mike should have anticipated this. Associating the group with trophy hunting wasn't too bright. He might actually enjoy it. I don't think he intentionally sets out to attract negative attention, but I think maybe he'll take what he can get. The Beach Boys are in the news. I also think he maybe enjoys having an adversarial relationship with Brian. That's a very real possibility. I think it's definitely true in regard to a certain segment of Beach Boys fans. I'm sure Mike likes to have an adversarial relationship with them. Part of this is also almost certainly political for him, too. He risks his association with the Trump's if he backs out.
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 15:29:13 GMT
And, I'll ask again - do you think Brian and Al will pocket their $$$$$$$$ from the show or donate it to anti-trophy hunting charities?
Well, seeing as how Brian and Al were petitioning Mike not to perform the show, presumably they were OK with forgoing that payment. My guess is, if Mike goes through with it, Brian and Al might make such a statement. I guess we'll find out.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Feb 4, 2020 18:23:21 GMT
Quote from Jerry Schilling, "I don't want to get into any press discussion about this." What a weird statement from someone who is supposed to be managing not just the band, but the entire brand. www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/02/04/brian-wilson-beach-boys-boycott-sci-reno-2020-trump-jr/4650001002/Another interesting nugget from the article is that Brian supposedly found out about this on Saturday. Why was nothing said until yesterday when it started to be passed around on message boards? Also, Brian is conveniently on a cruise and unavailable for comment. If he felt compelled to tell people to sign the petition, you'd think he'd make himself available for comment. Makes one wonder. |
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 18:36:01 GMT
Quote from Jerry Schilling, "I don't want to get into any press discussion about this." What a weird statement from someone who is supposed to be managing not just the band, but the entire brand. www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/02/04/brian-wilson-beach-boys-boycott-sci-reno-2020-trump-jr/4650001002/Another interesting nugget from the article is that Brian supposedly found out about this on Saturday. Why was nothing said until yesterday when it started to be passed around on message boards? Also, Brian is conveniently on a cruise and unavailable for comment. If he felt compelled to tell people to sign the petition, you'd think he'd make himself available for comment. Makes one wonder. I agree about Schilling's statement, but the part about Brian doesn't make me wonder. That petition had less than 5,000 signatures after 4 days, but on Monday it jumped up to approximately 60,000 over the course of a few hours. It was only then that Brian made a statement. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Initially, they were giving Mike and the touring group some latitude, but when you consider the language of the petition, I don't think they had much of a choice but to get out in front of the story. If anything, the fact that Brian was aware of the petition prior to Monday, makes it more likely that that's why he made a statement. Brian's management saw that this wasn't going to go away. And, they might have reached out to Mike and learned that he wasn't going to cancel the appearance. As for the "convenience" of being on the cruise, once he's expressed his stance as clearly as he did, what else is there to say?
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Feb 4, 2020 18:59:37 GMT
Quote from Jerry Schilling, "I don't want to get into any press discussion about this." What a weird statement from someone who is supposed to be managing not just the band, but the entire brand. www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/02/04/brian-wilson-beach-boys-boycott-sci-reno-2020-trump-jr/4650001002/Another interesting nugget from the article is that Brian supposedly found out about this on Saturday. Why was nothing said until yesterday when it started to be passed around on message boards? Also, Brian is conveniently on a cruise and unavailable for comment. If he felt compelled to tell people to sign the petition, you'd think he'd make himself available for comment. Makes one wonder. I agree about Schilling's statement, but the part about Brian doesn't make me wonder. That petition had less than 5,000 signatures after 4 days, but on Monday it jumped up to approximately 60,000 over the course of a few hours. It was only then that Brian made a statement. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Initially, they were giving Mike and the touring group some latitude, but when you consider the language of the petition, I don't think they had much of a choice but to get out in front of the story. If anything, the fact that Brian was aware of the petition prior to Monday, makes it more likely that that's why he made a statement. Brian's management saw that this wasn't going to go away. And, they might have reached out to Mike and learned that he wasn't going to cancel the appearance. As for the "convenience" of being on the cruise, once he's expressed his stance as clearly as he did, what else is there to say? I understand what you're saying, but this is only getting mainstream play because of the Mike vs. Brian aspect. Just go to change.org's website and see how many petitions are going on that you've never heard about, yet they have tens of thousands of signatures.
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 19:17:06 GMT
Good point. We'll never know for certain if the MSM would have picked up the story without Brian's statement, but, one thing is for sure, the activist behind the petition knew what they were doing. Again, Mike should have anticipated that, IMO.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Feb 4, 2020 19:24:22 GMT
Agreed, I'd say 95% of people are against Mike playing this event. It would have been an easy decision to drop out, especially if he said something like "I'm going to honor my cousin Brian's wishes and cancel our appearance."
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Post by Kapitan on Feb 4, 2020 19:31:22 GMT
Agreed, I'd say 95% of people are against Mike playing this event. It would have been an easy decision to drop out, especially if he said something like "I'm going to honor my cousin Brian's wishes and cancel our appearance." i don’t think we have any idea what percentage of people are against the event: just that 100% of the petition signatories and the large majority of message boarders who have chosen to post.But even among message board members, we have no idea how many people just didn’t feel comfortable posting an against-the-grain perspective. (This board has been generally forgiving of heterodoxy, but not all boards have been.) Beyond that, into the general fan base? Who knows? |
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Post by B.E. on Feb 4, 2020 19:37:30 GMT
Update: Over 100,000 signatures.
Edit: By the way, I'm not one of them.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Feb 4, 2020 21:07:58 GMT
Agreed, I'd say 95% of people are against Mike playing this event. It would have been an easy decision to drop out, especially if he said something like "I'm going to honor my cousin Brian's wishes and cancel our appearance." i don’t think we have any idea what percentage of people are against the event: just that 100% of the petition signatories and the large majority of message boarders who have chosen to post.But even among message board members, we have no idea how many people just didn’t feel comfortable posting an against-the-grain perspective. (This board has been generally forgiving of heterodoxy, but not all boards have been.) Beyond that, into the general fan base? Who knows? You could be right, I'm just going off what I've seen elsewhere, like Facebook groups, etc. The only against the grain comments I've seen are that it's either a hoax (because it's not listed on their website) or that the petition is politically motivated. There have been a few comments that Mike can play whatever he wants, but there seems to be disapproval even among that group. Trophy hunting is frowned upon by a large majority of people.
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