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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Mar 20, 2024 23:01:25 GMT
A fascinating article about Starsailor working with Phil Spector:
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Post by kds on Apr 17, 2024 14:24:57 GMT
I was actually hesitant to post this here, but it's made its rounds on the internet over the last day or two, so I figured I'd post it just to cite as an example of the kind of lazy, click bait inducing article that's became all too common in the world of music writing. www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2024/04/16/courtney-love-music-taylor-swift-madonna-beyonce/73343411007/In this article Courtney Love is quoted, slamming Taylor Swift, Lana Del Ray, Beyonce's Country album, and Jann Wenner. I'd say for people 40 and above, these aren't exactly scalding hot takes. But, that's neither here nor there. This is just another example of somebody cherry picking quotes to write an article for the sole purpose of getting clicks and shares and stirring the pot. And, of course, that's exactly what's happened, because I've probably seen this story on my Facebook feed 25 times since early yesterday. You'll have some people share it saying "See, finally somebody who doesn't give a toss about Taylor Swift" or "What's this washed up so and so know about modern music." I mentioned Dave Grohl somewhat jokingly in another thread, but he's often the subject of these lazy articles just because he does a lot of interviews, so inevitably you'll get something like "OOOOHHHH, Dave Grohl really doesn't like (Artist X).
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 17, 2024 19:14:57 GMT
It really doesn't help when you consider how many sites don't do any actual, original reporting, but only consolidate quotes or stories published elsewhere and add their two cents (or sometimes not even that). Just aggregator kinds of things. Because then, even if there was originally some context to make it less clickbaity, it's often lost (intentionally or otherwise). It's just a salacious quote or two.
I also do have to question the readers/public, though: it's only click bait if we regularly take that bait. Why do we care so much that Has-Been A might dislike Superstar B, or whatever? Celebrity gossip is an odd fascination.
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Post by kds on Apr 17, 2024 19:24:11 GMT
It really doesn't help when you consider how many sites don't do any actual, original reporting, but only consolidate quotes or stories published elsewhere and add their two cents (or sometimes not even that). Just aggregator kinds of things. Because then, even if there was originally some context to make it less clickbaity, it's often lost (intentionally or otherwise). It's just a salacious quote or two. I also do have to question the readers/public, though: it's only click bait if we regularly take that bait. Why do we care so much that Has-Been A might dislike Superstar B, or whatever? Celebrity gossip is an odd fascination. My theory is that people use these to back up their own opinions. Somebody who doesn't like Taylor Swift can say "See? An actual rock star and actress, who was married to a legend says Taylor Swift doesn't matter, therefore, I'm right." Somebody who likes Swift can say "Look at this old has been who rode the coattails of her late husband, she doesn't know anything, therefore, I'm right." The long and short of it is one of the odder things about internet culture is the need some folks seem to have to back up their own opinions or taste.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 24, 2024 13:36:19 GMT
I cracked up a little at the headline of a new review from our local paper of the new Bon Jovi documentary.
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Post by kds on Apr 24, 2024 14:36:55 GMT
I cracked up a little at the headline of a new review from our local paper of the new Bon Jovi documentary. Main, wouldn't that be something if Bon Jovi gets four hours, and the BB doc gets two? I haven't decided if I'm going to check out the Bon Jovi doc. I like their music up until about Crush, but I really lost interest when they contemporized their sound in the early 00s, and completely checked out once modern country influences started seeping in. To be honest, I really don't even listen to the classic material all that much....these days.
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 24, 2024 14:47:57 GMT
I cracked up a little at the headline of a new review from our local paper of the new Bon Jovi documentary. Main, wouldn't that be something if Bon Jovi gets four hours, and the BB doc gets two? I haven't decided if I'm going to check out the Bon Jovi doc. I like their music up until about Crush, but I really lost interest when they contemporized their sound in the early 00s, and completely checked out once modern country influences started seeping in. To be honest, I really don't even listen to the classic material all that much....these days. Because I have Hulu, I might at least give it a chance at some point. I can't say I've spent much time listening to or even thinking about Bon Jovi in decades, but I fully enjoyed their peak era when I was a preteen and teenager: when I was in 5th and 6th grades, they were the band. And at least historically I've been a bit of a sucker for band docs, even for bands I'm not really into. But if this looks more like a scripted drama (VH1 Behind the Music style) or an officially sanctioned advertisement, I'm guessing I won't last long with it. I do have to quibble a little with the reviewer I quoted, though: he said "Only superfans who know every line of "Livin' on a Prayer" will find watching the whole project anything more than a chore." But I'd say, a lot more than "superfans" know every line of "Livin' on a Prayer," because it's arguably their biggest hit of all time and was everywhere for a couple of years in the mid-late '80s! Hell, I still know every word to that song and I don't know the last time I listened to it in full--but it was quite possibly in the early 1990s. That's like saying "unless you're a superfan who knows all the words to "I Want to Hold Your Hand..." His point would make more sense if he said "unless you're a superfan who knows every word to "Come Back"..." or something like that.
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Post by kds on Apr 24, 2024 15:52:17 GMT
Main, wouldn't that be something if Bon Jovi gets four hours, and the BB doc gets two? I haven't decided if I'm going to check out the Bon Jovi doc. I like their music up until about Crush, but I really lost interest when they contemporized their sound in the early 00s, and completely checked out once modern country influences started seeping in. To be honest, I really don't even listen to the classic material all that much....these days. Because I have Hulu, I might at least give it a chance at some point. I can't say I've spent much time listening to or even thinking about Bon Jovi in decades, but I fully enjoyed their peak era when I was a preteen and teenager: when I was in 5th and 6th grades, they were the band. And at least historically I've been a bit of a sucker for band docs, even for bands I'm not really into. But if this looks more like a scripted drama (VH1 Behind the Music style) or an officially sanctioned advertisement, I'm guessing I won't last long with it. I do have to quibble a little with the reviewer I quoted, though: he said "Only superfans who know every line of "Livin' on a Prayer" will find watching the whole project anything more than a chore." But I'd say, a lot more than "superfans" know every line of "Livin' on a Prayer," because it's arguably their biggest hit of all time and was everywhere for a couple of years in the mid-late '80s! Hell, I still know every word to that song and I don't know the last time I listened to it in full--but it was quite possibly in the early 1990s. That's like saying "unless you're a superfan who knows all the words to "I Want to Hold Your Hand..." His point would make more sense if he said "unless you're a superfan who knows every word to "Come Back"..." or something like that. Having heard a stadium of 70,000 Ravens fans scream "Whoa-Oh!!!" as Livin' on a Prayer plays over the stadium PA, I agree. The reviewer probably should've have picked BJ's signature song, and one of the signature songs from that movement for that statement. Hell, even Bon Jovi and "hair metal" detractors go nuts for that song. Since it's broken up into four parts, I might as least check it out. Maybe it'll entice me to listen to some of those albums again.
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