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Post by B.E. on Dec 21, 2020 23:57:46 GMT
I couldn't help myself, and dug around. It turns out, the video could have been better. There are numerous Beatles experts on record claiming it's Paul. Ironically, Lewisohn (who's book is linked in the video description!) and Sam Okell (Abbey Road senior engineer who worked with Giles on the Sgt Pepper box). It also seems to be true that it's all on the same track (from "woke up" through the "aahs"). With that excuse gone, I listened a few more times, and I really can no longer hear John singing the 'aahs" at all, but I can hear him singing in the background. So, my position is reinforced as well! Let's all duke it out again a few years from now. To Robe Simo's points: 1) I agree, the Paul imitating John explanation is unsatisfying. But, again, I think it sounds more like Paul anyway. 2) It is definitely a reach for John to hit those notes, but I believe they were in his range, and he did occasionally sing them when Paul was singing lead (the first one to come to mind is "Let It Be" but you had others during that era like "Paperback Writer" and "Getting Better"). The heavy use of reverb hides a somewhat weak falsetto, to my ears.
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Post by Kapitan on Dec 22, 2020 0:01:57 GMT
The heavy use of reverb hides a somewhat weak falsetto, to my ears. This is important, actually. Not just to "hide a somewhat weak falsetto," but because that swirling mess of sound makes it difficult to discern exactly what we're hearing. To imagine one dry vocal part from a track including several very, very wet vocals is not exactly an easy task.
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Post by lonelysummer on Dec 25, 2020 6:34:52 GMT
My argument for it being Paul might be a silly one, but it's my own voice. I'm not a trained musician, but the range I always sing in seems to be John's range. Paul's voice is higher than mine, so there are a lot of his songs I struggle with. Not all of them, but a lot of them. "What You're Doing" comes to mind because I love the drums on it, and the twelve string guitar. I did try singing it a few weeks ago, and I murdered it! Of course I have played "A Day in the Life" many times, and can sing the whole song really good except for the part we are discussing. It's just a little too high for my range. So I think it's Paul. But it does sound like John. If it turns out is is John, I'll eat my hat.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 31, 2021 18:34:30 GMT
The whole video is good, but in light of the semi-recent Tom Petty discussions here, I cued up the video to the "Breakdown" and "In My Life" drumming comparison. Pretty cool.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 31, 2021 18:42:04 GMT
I love this kind of thing, even in cases such as this where the instrument in question isn't one I can play. Greg Bissonette is phenomenal, as well.
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Post by jk on Jan 31, 2021 21:24:21 GMT
With AHDN under review and mention of it in a film/TV topic down the road, I recalled a post I made there about two snippets of music used in the film that weren't composed by George Martin or The Beatles. Time to back it up over here: Folks, remember the opera being rehearsed when Paul's grandad inadvertently appears onstage in AHDN? I was asked to identify this work at another forum and lo and behold I found the answer. It's from the opening duet in the Finale of Act One of Johann Strauss's operetta Die Fledermaus: This is where the AHDN excerpt begins (exactly at 0:38 in this video): Die dir einst dein Herz erfreut, [Which once delighted your heart,] Gibt der Wein dir Tröstung schon [Wine will soon give you consolation] Durch Vergessenheit! [By forgetting!] Glücklich ist, wer vergisst, [Happy is the person who forgets,] Was doch nicht zu ändern ist. [What can't be altered anyway.] Kling, kling, sing, sing, sing [Ting-a-ling, sing, sing, sing,] Trink mit mir, sing mit mir, [Drink with me, sing with me,] Lalala, lalala, etc. [la la la, etc.]And now this. I've always been fascinated by this kind of obscure stuff (with grateful thanks to BBF): [Veteran session guitarist Vic] Flick and friends do not appear on one cue which has been baffling fans for decades--a brief rock-and-roll clip heard when Ringo flips on a portable radio while riding on a train. "That’s not me," Flick states. So who is it? Notes Giles Martin, "My instinct says it’s not The Beatles, but more likely the session players my dad would have gotten in for the soundtrack recording." The track is indeed driven by [ace session drummer Clem] Cattini and likely [bassist Alan] Weighell, the drummer tells Studio Daily. "That's definitely me," Cattini says. "The guitars, I think, were 'Big Jim' Sullivan and Jimmy Page. They did a lot of the rock stuff together in those days, particularly on these kinds of sessions." Bassist Herbie Flowers, who played on many such recordings, though not these, before playing for the likes of David Bowie, Lou Reed and, later, George Harrison, conjectures the 37-second cue may have simply been a library track recorded by Martin (or another producer). [In other words, he didn't know.] Source: www.studiodaily.com/2014/08/beatlemania-in-black-white-restoring-a-hard-days-night-in-4k/ Interestingly perhaps, I (jk) got in touch with George Martin's studio a decade or so ago to enquire and was told that Sir George couldn't remember anything about it!
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 10, 2021 16:56:28 GMT
I don't want to drag the ratings thread backward, but as many have done before me and despite my feeling that Pepper is pretty close to perfect, I did go through and try to improve upon it with the pre-album singles. Here's where I ended up for now.
Kapitan Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2. With a Little Help From My Friends 3. Strawberry Fields Forever 4. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds 5. Fixing a Hole 6. Getting Better 7. Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite
8. Good Morning Good Morning 9. When I'm Sixty-Four 10. Lovely Rita 11. She's Leaving Home 12. Penny Lane 13. Sgt. Pepper's (Reprise) 14. A Day in the Life
As you can see, I've only omitted one song, "Within You Without You." The album is now a 14-song, 42-minute work. Side one is a bit more psychedelic feeling, side two is a bit more direct. I think it flows quite well. And I think it's a great album, though of course it would be difficult to be otherwise when using the original plus those singles...
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 11, 2021 17:43:27 GMT
I didn't want to get further off track in the Beatles ratings thread, so I'm putting this here. Been listening to a nice autumn 2020 interview with the great drummer Ian Paice (Deep Purple, Whitesnake, even briefly the final version of Velvet Underground!) and he had some nice things to say about Ringo. They're the sort of things you often hear, admittedly, but it's notable how often great drummers speak up.
"Ringo, later on, when he started becoming so inventive! When they moved away from the first three or four simple rock and roll tunes and we started getting to Revolver and everything that came after that, when the drum patterns suddenly became pieces of music in their own right. ... I know there's a lot of George Martin creativity there, and a lot of input from Paul, but Ringo did it, you know? And you listen to it, everything he did, and it's just so brilliant, you know? It doesn't have to be Buddy Rich floating around the kit [at] 400 miles an hour. It has to be music. And when you listen to Ringo, from the very...it's just music, man. The drums are playing music."
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Post by Kapitan on Apr 20, 2021 21:59:27 GMT
I've noticed Paul has been doing interview/chats with the artists who helped with the McCartney III remix album. Here he is talking to Annie Clark (aka St. Vincent).
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Post by B.E. on May 8, 2021 2:05:01 GMT
Kapitan, I recall you being a fan of "Maggie Mae" on Let It Be. I was surprised to read that John was actually very interested in recording the song for the project. That he had initiated a jam of it numerous times during the month and had planned to get a proper recording of it on the final day of the project. That day they recorded and filmed, "Two Of Us", "The Long And Winding Road", and "Let It Be", and as a result of it taking longer than anticipated, "Maggie Mae" wasn't attempted. Apparently, John even commented "I'll never get 'Maggie Mae' done if it goes on like this!” Now I'm just wondering what that version would have sounded like. I'm guessing he would have had the lyrics handy, for starters. I also learned it would have been the Vipers Skiffle Group version that he would have known. He performed it with the Quarrymen/early Beatles, and there's also a home demo of him performing it circa '79 (which is missing from youtube these days). Seems to have been a favorite.
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Post by B.E. on May 8, 2021 3:12:52 GMT
ultimateclassicrock.com/george-harrison-songs-ranked/For my taste, these are the songs that were most overlooked: 136. This Guitar Can't Keep From Crying 128. Grey Cloudy Lies 120: Art Of Dying 118: Dear One 117: Hear Me Lord 115: Ding Dong Ding Dong 114: Here Comes The Moon 110: Rocking Chair in Hawaii 101: Pisces Fish 99: Can't Stop Thinking About You 98: Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea 79: That Is All 66: Any Road 61: Apple Scruffs 59: Someplace Else 56: Dark Horse 45: The Day the World Gets 'Round
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Post by jk on May 13, 2021 20:57:07 GMT
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Post by Kapitan on May 13, 2021 21:00:13 GMT
That smokes! And Larry Coryell is great.
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Post by kds on Jun 10, 2021 14:49:01 GMT
I figured I'd put this here since the discussion of All Things Must Pass has......passed. ultimateclassicrock.com/all-things-must-pass-box-set/While, I'll take a.....pass on this. I do like that the first two discs are the album proper. I think I have the 30th anniversary reissue, and they take bonus tracks at the end of each disc, which annoys my OCD tendencies.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 17, 2021 15:59:24 GMT
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