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Post by kds on Mar 24, 2019 4:35:42 GMT
I've heard that albums like this with rap influenced remakes and Full House tie ins can tarnish a band's......legacy.
But, at least its not Nirvana
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Post by sebevedomy on Mar 24, 2019 8:09:54 GMT
Bruce and Terry solidify their grip on power, with puppet king Mike Love seated on the Iron Throne and Carl and Al singing in literal chains.
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 22, 2020 15:21:30 GMT
I won't say I agree with everything here, but I came across this video from the "Trainwreckords" series. (Clever idea.) As the series title would imply, this fellow isn't a big fan of SIP.
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Post by kds on Mar 22, 2020 17:14:51 GMT
The guy makes some valid points. Its nice to hear detailed reasons for the album's failure rather than the childish rants about it common on the webs. And we get it, he hates boomers. And this is a series I might actually find entertaining if not for the pretentious presentation of the silouetted narrater. Do you really need to hide your face for the ultra hot take that SIP sucks?
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Post by Kapitan on Mar 22, 2020 17:20:08 GMT
I was thinking the same thing re hiding his face.
My guess is that he's got a job in which it might be embarrassing for some reason if people knew he did that on the side, so he wants to remain anonymous. And then better a schtick about it than just putting up another anonymous music-review channel.
But the generational stuff, agreed. It's one of my biggest pet peeves the past few years: whether older people whining about millenials as they entered the workforce; the more modern "ok boomer" nonsense; or even the far older Boomer/Xer tension; I just hate it all. People are individual people, yes, shaped by their time and place. But to just group them and then whine about or defend or praise them, that's just stupid.
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Post by B.E. on Mar 22, 2020 20:33:07 GMT
Must have been hell being an adult fan during that era!
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Post by kds on Mar 22, 2020 21:11:32 GMT
I was thinking the same thing re hiding his face.
My guess is that he's got a job in which it might be embarrassing for some reason if people knew he did that on the side, so he wants to remain anonymous. And then better a schtick about it than just putting up another anonymous music-review channel.
But the generational stuff, agreed. It's one of my biggest pet peeves the past few years: whether older people whining about millenials as they entered the workforce; the more modern "ok boomer" nonsense; or even the far older Boomer/Xer tension; I just hate it all. People are individual people, yes, shaped by their time and place. But to just group them and then whine about or defend or praise them, that's just stupid.
I could have also done without the "every Republican is an asshole" nonsense (the "every Democrat is a snowflake shit is equally annoying). I think the narrator comes off as a huge tool here, even if his review of the album is fairly on point.
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Post by kds on Jun 6, 2022 13:20:21 GMT
A couple days ago, I decided to dust off my copy of Summer in Paradise. It's probably been a few years since I've listened to it.
Lord help me, I think I'm actually starting to warm up to their version of Under the Boardwalk. Granted, the new lyrics are pretty bad, and completely unnecessary, and I think that was my primary gripe with the song. But, while I wasn't really paying attention to the lyrics, I found myself enjoying the arrangement a bit.
I still detest Surfin' 92, Summer of Love (even though that song is so over the top ridiculous, I'm almost starting to see it as charming), and their cover of Remember Walkin in the Sand.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 6, 2022 13:36:14 GMT
The way some of you feel about Love You, that's how I feel about Summer in Paradise. The biggest difference is that Love You has its die-hard fans (including yours truly), whereas I think (other than Mike Love and maybe Bruce Johnston), the warmest reception Summer in Paradise seems to get is, "you know, it's really not as bad as people say."
But I just don't hear anything even really tolerable. I think Stamos's "Forever" is by far the best thing on it, and I can't pretend I'm some big fan of that, either. I deeply hate this album. Every so often I'll listen again, usually in conjunction with some ratings threads, but every time it ends up a slog.
Over the years I've warmed to quite a few Beach Boys albums I didn't like at first. Not this one.
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Post by kds on Jun 6, 2022 13:47:36 GMT
I still don't really think it's a good album. I think the thing that drags it down the most is that there's really nothing on it that approaches greatness. As much as I don't like KSTA, it's got Santa Ana Winds and Goin On. I don't get Love You, but it's got The Night Was So young. So, there's at least something to hang your hat on.
I think SIP is mostly a collection of rather disposable late 80s pop songs (despite the early 90s release) that range from terrible to pretty good.
So, my warming up to the SIP means I might actually be willing to rank it a 5/10 than a 4/10.
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Post by Kapitan on Nov 6, 2022 14:01:04 GMT
A few words about this one from Carlin's Catch a Wave.
"The dustup [of Mike enlisting Carl to help try to oust Al in 1990] was resolved fairly quickly, though the conflict would continue to fester throughout the decade. And the absence of any cohesion could be heard quite clearly on what passed for the group's next album, Summer in Paradise, which was produced by Mike and Terry Melcher. Recorded with only the most fleeting help from Carl and Al and no contribution from Brian, the album was most notable for its absence of new ideas. A pointless cover of the group's first single, 'Surfin,' led things off, while even the new Love/Melcher originals were built largely on musical or lyrical references to the group's earlier hits (e.g., one couplet in the album's title track found a way to name-check 'Help Me, Rhonda,' 'Barbara Ann,' 'Fun, Fun, Fun,' and the term 'America's Band,' all in the space of twenty-four words). Celebrity fan and occasional touring drummer John Stamos ... was allowed to cover Dennis's 'Forever,' which now came with the heavily processed sound of modern easy listening. But even the lite-metal guitars on Dennis's once-understated ballad weren't quite as painful as Mike's 'Summer of Love,' which climaxed, so to speak, in a hail of yucky sexual references (Mike in Senor Suave mode, crooning about the joys of doing 'it' in disparate, summery venues, including a beach and a swimming pool) that seem designed to excite the wrath of the same PMRC Mike had once supported. The music failed to gain any interest from the record industry, forcing the group to release it on their own Brother label with independent distribution. The few reviews that were printed were scathing, and only a scattering of the CDs was sold." (p. 279)
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Post by lonelysummer on Nov 7, 2022 7:58:23 GMT
I've heard that albums like this with rap influenced remakes and Full House tie ins can tarnish a band's......legacy. But, at least its not Nirvana OMG! I got sooo sick of Nirvana! I'm still sick of them! Everytime I check out the vinyl at Target, they've got that naked baby album in display with his pecker sticking out there for all the world to see! "I wish that I could eat your cancer"...."no, I don't have a gun, no I don't have a gun"..."a mosquito, I'm a Beatle"... (note: my Nirvana loving brother is looking over my shoulder as i write this, and ready to grab me and toss me off our second story balcony)
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2023 12:15:45 GMT
A new article today talking about how bad Summer in Paradise is ... just in case anyone forgot. I do think it's an awful album, of course, but I could mostly do without this style of writing, that snark. The article asks, is this the worst album ever by a major band?
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Post by kds on Aug 31, 2023 12:35:52 GMT
A new article today talking about how bad Summer in Paradise is ... just in case anyone forgot. I do think it's an awful album, of course, but I could mostly do without this style of writing, that snark. The article asks, is this the worst album ever by a major band? I say "no." Its in the coversation. But, for my money, Metallica's St. Anger (2003) is the worst album ever by a major band. At least a major band that I like, or else the answer would be any album Limp Bizkit ever released. I'd also say that I've found Motley Crue's Generation Swine, Wings' Wild Life, and probably Judas Priest's Demolition far less enjoyable than SIP.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 31, 2023 12:58:41 GMT
A new article today talking about how bad Summer in Paradise is ... just in case anyone forgot. I do think it's an awful album, of course, but I could mostly do without this style of writing, that snark. The article asks, is this the worst album ever by a major band? I say "no." Its in the coversation. But, for my money, Metallica's St. Anger (2003) is the worst album ever by a major band. At least a major band that I like, or else the answer would be any album Limp Bizkit ever released.
I'd also say that I've found Motley Crue's Generation Swine, Wings' Wild Life, and probably Judas Priest's Demolition far less enjoyable than SIP. That is a conclusion/approach I came to pretty quickly when thinking about it, too. Because as you said, if you choose a major band you just don't like, even their classic albums might be in contention for worst albums ever! Does SIP belong among the worst by a major band? For me it does. But I have to be honest, the very nature of that kind of debate is one that makes me not want to bother making too informed or serious a decision. It's one thing to go back and forth relistening to a few classic albums to choose the best. But who wants to waste limited moments on this earth on the worst music?
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