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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 16:41:08 GMT
There are at least two officially forthcoming Beach Boys-related products coming with the At My Piano B Wilson album and the "Long Promised Road" doc. We have seen mentioned several times that Iconic is doing a new "definitive" Beach Boys documentary. And we've heard that there will indeed be some kind of copyright set for CATP and Holland material.
What are you most excited for out of those? Why?
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Post by kds on Sept 30, 2021 17:02:58 GMT
Of these choices, I'm going with the eventual, hopefully definitive & thorough, Beach Boys documentary.
The Piano album really doesn't interest me much at all. I'm looking forward to LPR and an eventual copyright release for the CATP / Holland era. But, with all the extensive music docs that have been released in recent years, I'd love to see a great one on The Beach Boys.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 30, 2021 17:06:13 GMT
I don't think I will purchase At My Piano. I'll probably listen to it from some source, one time, and that'll be it. Maybe sometime I'll download it and use it for a special occasion when I need background music.
I don't have a lot of interest or optimism for the Long Promised Road documentary. I don't think Brian Wilson has anything interesting to say, and if he did, I can't see him making the necessary effort to disclose it. Hopefully there will be a song or two with some musical merit included in the soundtrack.
I do have some interest in an eventual band documentary. I like documentaries much better than movies. Maybe Azoff/Iconic will actually do something and produce or contribute to a good one. The 60th Anniversary would be a good time for a career retrospective but I haven't heard a word.
Sail On Sailor copyright release? I also have some interest in this. However, Carl & The Passions and Holland are not two of my favorite albums. I like 'em both but I'm not overly excited to hear alternate versions and sessions. Is there a lot of good unreleased stuff in the vaults?
I guess that leaves Other. Seriously, right now I'm looking forward to the 60th Anniversary festivities, whatever they might be. Things have been pretty quiet considering we're three months away from the 60th Anniversary calendar year. I mean, yeah, it'll be fascinating to see the five or six or seven guys reunite - in some form - again. What will they sound like? How will they get along? One concert or a small tour? What about those dreaded guest artists? Another studio album? One single? Who will the band be comprised of? What will Brian's role be? How will Dennis and Carl be represented? And on and on. So, for me it's the 60th Anniversary reunion.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 17:08:08 GMT
I'm also going for the eventual band documentary. I'm a sucker for good band documentaries (meaning good documentaries about bands, not good-band documentaries; actually sometimes I even really enjoy them about bands I don't consider good!). It has been a while since a nice full-length one, and I'm hopeful (despite no actual information or anything) it could be more than full-length, maybe several episodes or something, since presumably it would be done with Netflix or Hulu or something.
Next for me is probably the next copyright release.
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Post by kds on Sept 30, 2021 17:10:17 GMT
While I've never seen it, I've heard great things about the three hour History of The Eagles, a band who are also under Azoff, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for something similar.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 17:26:40 GMT
What will they sound like? How will they get along? One concert or a small tour? What about those dreaded guest artists? Another studio album? One single? Who will the band be comprised of? What will Brian's role be? How will Dennis and Carl be represented? For fun, I am speculating on the answers to your questions.
What will they sound like? Good, one way or another. (Meaning there will be a band that can do everything itself, with the principals doing what they can/have to.)
How will they get along? Professionally as required.
One concert or a small tour? My money is on less as opposed to more. Whether it's a couple shows (in one or a few cities) or a small tour, I don't know. I doubt a world tour or any longer-term commitment.
What about those dreaded guest artists? That's going to happen. I believe we'll be looking at a show or a few shows in the same city with the intention of filming and releasing a showcase thing, and it will be like the BW NPP SoundStage thing. In fact, I would guess more guest stars and fewer band performances, maybe more like the Wilson show from the early 00s with Ricky Martin, Ann Wilson, Crosby/Gill/Webb, etc.
Another studio album? I hope so but doubt it. But some new recordings, maybe a few new songs tacked on to a new album of the aforementioned. Either a new Wilson/Love song, or at least one new Wilson and one new Love song. (But I'm sure Wilson and Love will both be represented in whatever comes out.) And "new" of course is open to interpretation with this band.
One single? More likely than a new album, I think.
Who will the band be comprised of? Similar to '12, I'd guess, with changes only where necessary. M. Jardine and/or Ike instead of Foskett for health reasons and replacements for Walusko, Bennett and Bragg. Could be Gary Griffin or Billy Hinsche (or both), Christian Love, Debbie Shair, Rob Bonfiglio...
What will Brian's role be? Sitting behind the shell of a white piano and singing the intro to "Sloop John B" and bridge of "Surfer Girl," mostly.
How will Dennis and Carl be represented? If it's just one or a couple shows that are more the tribute angle, somebody else will sing their songs: you know, Taylor Hawkins (or Stamos!) does "Forever," etc. If we're talking Beach Boys only, I suspect similar to C50, though that approach seems stale to me.
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Post by kds on Sept 30, 2021 17:33:34 GMT
I could see maybe a 20-25 date tour happening. I'm not counting on it, but it's possible. I think that's far more likely than the 73 shows they played in 2012.
Both Mike's and Brian's vocal abilities have deteriorated since 2012, as to be expected, but I think it would still be a good show, and one that I would pay to attend if it's within 90 miles of me.
I doubt they'd go down the new album road again. The TWGMTR album seemed to be one of Mike's major points of contention with the 2012 reunion. And, really, they don't need a new album at this point. One could possibly argue they didn't in 2012 either.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 17:38:03 GMT
I'd definitely attend a concert nearby, too. In fact, I would consider going even if one weren't nearby: if they came to Madison or Milwaukee (about four and five hours' drive away, respectively) but not the Minneapolis area, I'd strongly consider making that trip. In '12, that was the case, and I didn't make the trip. I regret that, as it meant I didn't get the chance to see them all together.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 30, 2021 17:42:31 GMT
I'm not expecting a long tour similar to 2012, but Brian has resumed touring in 2021, which is some kind of a sign that at least he is physically able to do it. And, because he wouldn't feel the pressure to carry the show like a solo concert (though Al, Blondie and others are taking more lead vocals), maybe he can...get through...a mini-tour of some kind. Brian's touring is a new development that we didn't really know about or really figure in during our past discussions about a reunion tour. At least in October 2021 he can still do it, again, physically that is. Emotionally or vocal quality-wise, well...
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 17:48:53 GMT
Brian has resumed touring in 2021, which is some kind of a sign that at least he is physically able to do it. ... Brian's touring is a new development that we didn't really know about or really figure in during our past discussions about a reunion tour. Man, I don't know about that. Brian has been touring pretty heavily all along, pandemic notwithstanding. Now obviously many of us have said plenty about the quality of his performances during that touring, but it's not really a surprise (to me anyway) that he's able to tour. It would have been baseless speculation to assume he couldn't, since that inability would have had to have developed during a down-time when nobody was touring.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Sept 30, 2021 17:55:36 GMT
Brian has resumed touring in 2021, which is some kind of a sign that at least he is physically able to do it. ... Brian's touring is a new development that we didn't really know about or really figure in during our past discussions about a reunion tour. Man, I don't know about that. Brian has been touring pretty heavily all along, pandemic notwithstanding. Now obviously many of us have said plenty about the quality of his performances during that touring, but it's not really a surprise (to me anyway) that he's able to tour. It would have been baseless speculation to assume he couldn't, since that inability would have had to have developed during a down-time when nobody was touring. What I meant with that comment was that a lot of our discussions regarding the 60th Anniversary reunion were during the pandemic (an 18 month period?) when Brian and everybody ceased touring. Weren't we wondering if and when he would resume touring and how many shows would it be? I thought Brian's physical state was a big question mark (with the bad back, age, and the emotional issues which caused him to stop briefly). No?
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 18:39:55 GMT
I see. That makes more sense. I was thinking you meant it seemed more likely than not that he couldn't tour, hadn't been touring, etc., and that didn't ring true to me. But yeah, there was some speculation, just asking the questions, "how long will this last and when it's done, when he's two years older [or whatever], will he still be able to tour?"
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 18:49:13 GMT
I doubt they'd go down the new album road again. The TWGMTR album seemed to be one of Mike's major points of contention with the 2012 reunion. And, really, they don't need a new album at this point. One could possibly argue they didn't in 2012 either. By the way, on this front ... if it was a question of what hypothetical product we each most want, as opposed to what likely product we're each looking forward to most, I'd have said album. That's what I really would love, another original album. Maybe even more than a documentary, depending on the details of both.
If the documentary is REALLY good? Like 6-8 hours' worth with serious depth on all eras? I'd likely pick that. But of course a new album (that's actually new and isn't just a BW solo album with a few ML solo songs and other people overdubbing just enough parts to sound like a group effort) would be hard to beat, in my book, even if it turned out to be mediocre.
Alas, as far as we know that is not in the cards, and so I didn't include it as an option.
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Post by kds on Sept 30, 2021 18:57:27 GMT
I doubt they'd go down the new album road again. The TWGMTR album seemed to be one of Mike's major points of contention with the 2012 reunion. And, really, they don't need a new album at this point. One could possibly argue they didn't in 2012 either. By the way, on this front ... if it was a question of what hypothetical product we each most want, as opposed to what likely product we're each looking forward to most, I'd have said album. That's what I really would love, another original album. Maybe even more than a documentary, depending on the details of both.
If the documentary is REALLY good? Like 6-8 hours' worth with serious depth on all eras? I'd likely pick that. But of course a new album (that's actually new and isn't just a BW solo album with a few ML solo songs and other people overdubbing just enough parts to sound like a group effort) would be hard to beat, in my book, even if it turned out to be mediocre.
Alas, as far as we know that is not in the cards, and so I didn't include it as an option.
I'd agree with that, even though I think the closing suite on TWGMTR acts like a really nice swan song to their studio career, but a new Beach Boys album in 2022 would be very cool.
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Post by Kapitan on Sept 30, 2021 18:59:09 GMT
Totally: a far, far better conclusion than I had ever expected, in fact. If that's it, it's probably more than most would have anticipated.
Buuuuuuuuut ... it's hard to say when enough is enough, and so if you offered me another chance at a final album? I'd say they should do it. (Then if it doesn't live up to its predecessor, oh well, I guess more fodder for complaining about them failing to know when enough is enough.)
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