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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Aug 8, 2021 17:20:09 GMT
When I started being an online BBs fan, there was almost a consensus that Pet Sounds would be improved by dropping "Sloop John B" and replacing it with "The Little Girl I Once Knew" and/or finishing and using "Good Vibrations" (which had been begun but nowhere near finished at that time).
I'm curious, does anyone really think that anymore? I think "Sloop John B" has had its reputation really rise in those years. It was actually considered quite uncool circa 2000.
I wouldn't say Pet Sounds is inherently untouchable, but frankly I do think it's about as good an album as there has ever been, so I would leave it alone.
"Sloop John B"? I would definitely leave it on. It works.
"Good Vibrations"? I wish they would've finished it AND included it - as the opener - on Pet Sounds. Either just include it or delete "Pet Sounds". I think it fits lyrically and sonically. And, if "Good Vibrations" would've been included, Pet Sounds would UNQUESTIONABLY be considered the greatest album of all time!
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Post by kds on Aug 11, 2021 15:27:46 GMT
When I started being an online BBs fan, there was almost a consensus that Pet Sounds would be improved by dropping "Sloop John B" and replacing it with "The Little Girl I Once Knew" and/or finishing and using "Good Vibrations" (which had been begun but nowhere near finished at that time).
I'm curious, does anyone really think that anymore? I think "Sloop John B" has had its reputation really rise in those years. It was actually considered quite uncool circa 2000.
I wouldn't say Pet Sounds is inherently untouchable, but frankly I do think it's about as good an album as there has ever been, so I would leave it alone.
I think Sloop John B provides a perfect middle album song for Pet Sounds. It's amazing that, for a band whose best albums always seemed to have a very noticeable flaw or two, I think they completely nailed Pet Sounds in pretty much every way.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 20, 2022 14:15:39 GMT
Because I was looking for any after-the-fact comments by Carl on his solo career, I was just watching the 1984 Rock Influence interview again. And I hadn't really caught it before, or put this together, but he mentions in the cued-up moment that the band had already recorded "California Dreamin" by November 1984, when the interview was done.
It was released in 1986 as a single and on the Made in USA comp, and the wiki entry says it was recorded in 1986 for that project. Did they record it twice, or is wiki wrong?
Regardless, the reason I'm posting it here is, I think it would have dramatically improved The Beach Boys. And based on this timing, it could have been included.
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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jan 20, 2022 14:37:49 GMT
Because I was looking for any after-the-fact comments by Carl on his solo career, I was just watching the 1984 Rock Influence interview again. And I hadn't really caught it before, or put this together, but he mentions in the cued-up moment that the band had already recorded "California Dreamin" by November 1984, when the interview was done.
It was released in 1986 as a single and on the Made in USA comp, and the wiki entry says it was recorded in 1986 for that project. Did they record it twice, or is wiki wrong? Regardless, the reason I'm posting it here is, I think it would have dramatically improved The Beach Boys. And based on this timing, it could have been included. They originally recorded it in 1982. Can't remember what changes were made for the 1986 version.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 20, 2022 14:45:48 GMT
If I ever knew this, I certainly had forgotten it. (As exists somewhere else on the board, I have admitted readily that my grasp of trivia is faded, and I don't worry much about it. There are no prizes, that I know of, to recalling such things, so I go on my merry way.) But I don't know that I ever did know it, having never really bothered with the minutiae of the band through this period before. But indeed, this was released in 1983 on a Radio Shack oldies covers album credited to Mike and Dean Torrence.
This article is actually pretty interesting in terms of an early discussion about the impact of corporate sponsorship on rock music. Now it's commonplace for major artists, but it wasn't then.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 21, 2022 4:00:38 GMT
I have a couple of those Radio Shack albums. One is called "Paul Revere Rides Again" by, you guessed it, Paul Revere and the Raiders. They do versions of Love Potion #9, Louie Louie, Rock Around the Clock, You Really Got Me, Good Lovin', Heard it Through the Grapevine, and CC Rider/Jenny Take a Ride. The vinyl version adds 96 Tears and Bad Moon Rising. The cassette version includes guest artists Mary McGregor, Eric Burdon, and Blood, Sweat and Tears. The other album is titled Christmas Party, with 1 to 2 songs each by Mike & Dean, The Association, Merrilee Rush, Paul and the Raiders, Three Dog Night, Bobby Goldsboro. There was also a 45 released combining the Raiders' version of Jingle Bells with Mike and Dean singing Jingle Bell Rock.
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 21, 2022 13:12:52 GMT
Now being aware of that '82 recording of "California Dreamin," though, I'm even more confused as to why Carl, in November 1984, would mention it as if it were a new project, just done, unreleased. (He doesn't SAY that, but it comes across that way.) He says it so that it sounds to me like "we just did this recording, it's not out yet but it's good!" when in fact it had been recorded two years earlier and released for more than a year by the time of that interview.
So that does make me wonder, was he maybe talking about what was eventually the '86 version? After all, the other new song he mentioned was "Rock and Roll to the Rescue," which was also released in '86 and more contemporaneous with the second "CD."
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 21, 2022 13:19:45 GMT
I bought the Rock 'n' Roll City cassette back in the day. I actually enjoyed it. I didn't think the covers were that bad. I haven't listened to it in almost 40 years so I might feel differently today. I recently came across my copy down in the basement in a dusty carton...
Through the years, I've read that parts (the backing track?) of the Beach Boys' 1986 recording of "California Dreamin'" were taken directly from the Rock 'n' Roll City version. To me, the Beach Boys' 1986 version sounds like a brand new recording - all parts.
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Post by bellesofparisstan on Jan 22, 2022 6:19:00 GMT
Surprised I haven’t seen this one yet, but… Replace 10 little Indians with land ahoy. It’s the only *actual* Safari outtake, meaning it’s the only outtake recorded during the three sessions that were explicitly for filling out the tracklist of an album, and it’s certainly better than Ten Little Indians
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Post by Kapitan on Jan 22, 2022 12:35:35 GMT
Surprised I haven’t seen this one yet, but… Replace 10 little Indians with land ahoy. It’s the only *actual* Safari outtake, meaning it’s the only outtake recorded during the three sessions that were explicitly for filling out the tracklist of an album, and it’s certainly better than Ten Little Indians For me, there's no saving that album other than moving on to the latter ones and making it a fading memory.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jan 22, 2022 13:10:45 GMT
Surprised I haven’t seen this one yet, but… Replace 10 little Indians with land ahoy. It’s the only *actual* Safari outtake, meaning it’s the only outtake recorded during the three sessions that were explicitly for filling out the tracklist of an album, and it’s certainly better than Ten Little Indians For me, there's no saving that album other than moving on to the latter ones and making it a fading memory. Surfin' Safari clocks in at 24:53. Just add "Land Ahoy", and for the fun of it, include "Cindy, Oh Cindy" which was recorded a week later. That gives you an even 14 tracks at 28:51. Love those Carl & David guitars!
The Beach Boys - Surfin' Safari
Side 1 1. Surfin' Safari 2. Moon Dawg 3. The Shift 4. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) 5. County Fair 6. Cuckoo Clock 7. Ten Little Indians
Side 2 1. 409 2. Chug-A-Lug 3. Heads You Win-Tails I Lose 4. Summertime Blues 5. Cindy, Oh Cindy 6. Land Ahoy 7. Surfin'
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Post by carllove on Jan 22, 2022 15:26:46 GMT
Surprised I haven’t seen this one yet, but… Replace 10 little Indians with land ahoy. It’s the only *actual* Safari outtake, meaning it’s the only outtake recorded during the three sessions that were explicitly for filling out the tracklist of an album, and it’s certainly better than Ten Little Indians I love “Land Ahoy”. The first time I heard it I kept wondering why it wasn’t included on any of the early albums, because it’s definitely better than a lot of what did make it.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 23, 2022 3:46:51 GMT
Surprised I haven’t seen this one yet, but… Replace 10 little Indians with land ahoy. It’s the only *actual* Safari outtake, meaning it’s the only outtake recorded during the three sessions that were explicitly for filling out the tracklist of an album, and it’s certainly better than Ten Little Indians I love “Land Ahoy”. The first time I heard it I kept wondering why it wasn’t included on any of the early albums, because it’s definitely better than a lot of what did make it. It was one of the best songs on Capitol's Beach Boys Rarities album.
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Post by carllove on Jan 23, 2022 4:15:29 GMT
I love “Land Ahoy”. The first time I heard it I kept wondering why it wasn’t included on any of the early albums, because it’s definitely better than a lot of what did make it. It was one of the best songs on Capitol's Beach Boys Rarities album. I still have a cassette player in my 2007 Toyota Avalon, so I bought Rarities on cassette ($2.99 on eBay) and was blown away by “Land Ahoy”. I also love the extended “I Was Made to Love Her” and the “Good Vibrations” alternate take. If I never hear that German version of “In My Room” again, though, it will be too soon!
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Post by lonelysummer on Jan 23, 2022 20:49:35 GMT
It was one of the best songs on Capitol's Beach Boys Rarities album. I still have a cassette player in my 2007 Toyota Avalon, so I bought Rarities on cassette ($2.99 on eBay) and was blown away by “Land Ahoy”. I also love the extended “I Was Made to Love Her” and the “Good Vibrations” alternate take. If I never hear that German version of “In My Room” again, though, it will be too soon! Yeah, I still play cassettes in the car. Everytime I play Wild Honey, I expect that acapella tag to come on from "I Was Made to Love Her".
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