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Post by kds on Jul 19, 2021 17:29:35 GMT
Brian's FB page just posted an announcement about a fall US tour - Greatest Hits Live with Al & Blonde. www.brianwilson.com/tour
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Post by Emdeeh on Jul 19, 2021 18:35:54 GMT
Here are the dates announced by Brian's website:
Aug. 29 -- Long Beach, CA -- Long Beach Terrace Theatre Oct. 5 -- Huntington, NY -- The Paramount Oct. 6 -- Port Chester, NY -- Capitol Theatre Oct. 8 -- Wallingford, CT -- Toyota Oakdale Theatre Oct. 9 -- Lowell, MA -- Lowell Memorial Auditorium Oct. 10 -- Rochester, NY -- Kodak Center Oct. 12 -- Albany, NY -- Palace Theatre Albany Oct. 13 -- Morristown, NJ -- Mayo Performing Arts Center Oct. 15 -- Washington, DC -- Warner Theatre Oct. 16 -- Atlantic City, NJ -- Mark G. Etess Arena, Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Oct. 17 -- Reading, PA -- Santander Performing Arts Center Oct. 19 -- Greensburg, PA -- Palace Theatre Oct. 20 -- Akron, OH -- Goodyear Theater Oct. 22 -- Nashville, IN -- Brown County Music Center Oct. 23 -- Waukegan, IL -- Genesee Theatre
And here's another one that was announced by the venue: Aug. 31 -- San Diego, CA -- Rady Shell at Jacobs Park
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Post by kds on Jul 19, 2021 19:32:33 GMT
I've been to the Warner Theatre once. Nice place. But, I think unless he does another rarities infused tour like the Something Great from '68 Tour I foolishly skipped, that I'm probably finished seeing Brian Wilson in concert as a solo act.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 19, 2021 20:13:51 GMT
This is tough. OK, call me a hypocrite. I deserve it.
Why is Brian Wilson still touring? I don't mean the occasional show, I mean touring. Just why...But, you know what? In a couple days, my Beach Boys' buddy will call me and he'll probably get tickets to the October 17 show in Reading, PA - and I'll go. But, I swear, it's becoming more of a social thing. We (about four or five of us) will go to a nice restaurant, talk about the good old days, have a few laughs, and then go to the show. It's a nice evening of seeing old friends and hearing some timeless music. Despite Brian's regression, it's usually a good time.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jul 19, 2021 20:47:45 GMT
It's funny that Brian constantly tours the oldies year after year and gets praise from the Brianistas for doing exactly what they criticize Mike for doing. When Brian went solo, the attitude among fans seemed to be "great, now he doesn't have to be held back by those other guys who won't let him do what he wants to do....play the oldies"
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Post by kds on Jul 20, 2021 16:09:03 GMT
It's funny that Brian constantly tours the oldies year after year and gets praise from the Brianistas for doing exactly what they criticize Mike for doing. When Brian went solo, the attitude among fans seemed to be "great, now he doesn't have to be held back by those other guys who won't let him do what he wants to do....play the oldies" I think this plays into the myth that Brian is some sort of avant garde artiste who was held back by The Beach Boys.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 20, 2021 16:16:33 GMT
I don't think most fans have held those kinds of opinions--Mike's band is the jukebox while Brian's is the artistic statement--in 15 years or so. It used to be the case, but it's gone to the wayside, just like "the Beach Boys weren't good enough to play instruments on their own albums," etc.
The vast majority of hardcore/online types, at least, have long since outgrown that. It wasn't entirely untrue at one time, but the (official) Beach Boys improved a lot in the years after Brian's band began touring. And while Brian's band probably did a higher percentage of deep cuts in those early days of both acts being on the road, it has long-since leveled out when the BW band isn't promoting a new album or doing a rarities themed show.
Sure, you can still find a few obsessive zealots who get joy from making that kind of judgmental thing, but it's more about those people having strange fixations than on reality. I think the overwhelming majority of serious fans make no such judgments or criticisms.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 20, 2021 16:17:42 GMT
Here are the dates announced by Brian's website: Aug. 29 -- Long Beach, CA -- Long Beach Terrace Theatre Oct. 5 -- Huntington, NY -- The Paramount Oct. 6 -- Port Chester, NY -- Capitol Theatre Oct. 8 -- Wallingford, CT -- Toyota Oakdale Theatre Oct. 9 -- Lowell, MA -- Lowell Memorial Auditorium Oct. 10 -- Rochester, NY -- Kodak Center Oct. 12 -- Albany, NY -- Palace Theatre Albany Oct. 13 -- Morristown, NJ -- Mayo Performing Arts Center Oct. 15 -- Washington, DC -- Warner Theatre Oct. 16 -- Atlantic City, NJ -- Mark G. Etess Arena, Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Oct. 17 -- Reading, PA -- Santander Performing Arts Center Oct. 19 -- Greensburg, PA -- Palace Theatre Oct. 20 -- Akron, OH -- Goodyear Theater Oct. 22 -- Nashville, IN -- Brown County Music Center Oct. 23 -- Waukegan, IL -- Genesee Theatre And here's another one that was announced by the venue: Aug. 31 -- San Diego, CA -- Rady Shell at Jacobs Park A little surprised they're not coming to Minneapolis--they often do, and have actually launched a few tours here--though perhaps they'll add shows after the Waukegan, IL, show in the upper Midwest, hitting Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.
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Post by kds on Jul 20, 2021 16:22:19 GMT
I don't think most fans have held those kinds of opinions--Mike's band is the jukebox while Brian's is the artistic statement--in 15 years or so. It used to be the case, but it's gone to the wayside, just like "the Beach Boys weren't good enough to play instruments on their own albums," etc.
The vast majority of hardcore/online types, at least, have long since outgrown that. It wasn't entirely untrue at one time, but the (official) Beach Boys improved a lot in the years after Brian's band began touring. And while Brian's band probably did a higher percentage of deep cuts in those early days of both acts being on the road, it has long-since leveled out when the BW band isn't promoting a new album or doing a rarities themed show.
Sure, you can still find a few obsessive zealots who get joy from making that kind of judgmental thing, but it's more about those people having strange fixations than on reality. I think the overwhelming majority of serious fans make no such judgments or criticisms.
I agree that those opinions aren't as common as they might've been at one time, but some myths never completely die.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 20, 2021 17:52:18 GMT
That's true. It's also why I try to qualify statements like "vast majority" instead of "everybody" etc. Because after all, we've still got subsets of people who think the world is flat...
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Post by kds on Jul 20, 2021 18:04:28 GMT
That's true. It's also why I try to qualify statements like "vast majority" instead of "everybody" etc. Because after all, we've still got subsets of people who think the world is flat... Not to mention the legion of anti vaxxers that seem hell bent on preventing herd immunity to COVID....but that's another story. Back to Brian, I wonder if any new Sunflower / Surf's Up rarities will wind up in the setlist, with Mike & Bruce adding It's About Time, Feel Flows, and Add Some Music (although the latter two songs have been in Brian's setlists quite a bit over the last five or six years).
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 20, 2021 20:47:54 GMT
I think it is an interesting topic as to how many fans eventually "figured out" Brian Wilson over the years, maybe realizing that he hasn't "geniused around" much over the last several years, specifically on his solo albums, but also that he doesn't come across as much as an...artist...in concert either. I think the knowledgeable music fan, whether they are BB/BW diehards or not, can see through the propaganda and figure things out for themselves. They can see the headline "Beach Boy's genius Brian Wilson to perform his masterpiece Pet Sounds in full" and not get carried away, especially when Brian sleepwalks through the show and sings very few of the challenging vocal parts. Really, I don't think this percentage of people/fan is very high. I think they almost have to be like us, first wanting to and then actually looking behind the curtain. And, most music fans don't want to do that.
I still think, as kds pointed out above, that most fans still "take for granted" that Brian is this can-do-no-wrong musical genius who is the real artist of the bunch - and Mike Love runs the Traveling Jukebox Show. Look at almost every headline that precedes a new Brian Wilson album review, or a concert, or a movie, or just an interview. People still refer to Brian with so much reverence, and his band is the greatest band since The Beatles, and just listen to those harmonies, and on and on. And Mike Love? Gee Mike, how does it feel to be doing this for 60 years? Have things REALLY changed that much - in the public's view - in the last 55 years?
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 20, 2021 21:34:05 GMT
The idea of "the Beach Boys held Brian back" was really studio-oriented, that post-Smile breakdown where first we had David Anderle, Paul Williams, and whoever else, and then a few years later David Leaf doing his first writing about it. It was that Brian, given his druthers, would be creating experimental masterpieces in the studio, but the Beach Boys wanted to be an oldies act to cash in.
I don't think anyone expected, or expects, to be blown away by Brian's live performances, and that's what you mostly talked about in that post. But it's certainly true that when he began touring, his band was superior to the Beach Boys. And his band did do more rarities. So I think the idea grew that his genius would be reflected in set lists and the band being able to recreate his music (while he mostly watched). Then the bands became more similar over time, as was discussed above.
As for people still showing some reverence toward Brian...I'd say it's due. He's an old man 50+ years past his prime now, but damned if he wasn't one of the most brilliant pop composers and producers (not to mention an amazing singer) of all time. Reverence is warranted, even if the days of genius are overwhelmingly behind him.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 20, 2021 22:45:37 GMT
The idea of "the Beach Boys held Brian back" was really studio-oriented, that post-Smile breakdown where first we had David Anderle, Paul Williams, and whoever else, and then a few years later David Leaf doing his first writing about it. It was that Brian, given his druthers, would be creating experimental masterpieces in the studio, but the Beach Boys wanted to be an oldies act to cash in.
I don't think anyone expected, or expects, to be blown away by Brian's live performances, and that's what you mostly talked about in that post. But it's certainly true that when he began touring, his band was superior to the Beach Boys. And his band did do more rarities. So I think the idea grew that his genius would be reflected in set lists and the band being able to recreate his music (while he mostly watched). Then the bands became more similar over time, as was discussed above.
As for people still showing some reverence toward Brian...I'd say it's due. He's an old man 50+ years past his prime now, but damned if he wasn't one of the most brilliant pop composers and producers (not to mention an amazing singer) of all time. Reverence is warranted, even if the days of genius are overwhelmingly behind him.
Well, I had good intentions. I started out agreeing with lonelysummer and kds's posts about the double standard that exists with Brian playing the hits, much like Mike who has been consistently criticized for it. Then I veered off to the recording side. While it might not be a double standard as it relates to Mike Love, I still see something of a double standard - comparing today's Brian Wilson with the Brian Wilson of the 1960's. And I do see that, almost regularly in fact. Like I posted above, most journalists and most fans, BB diehards or just the average music fan, STILL compare or refer to Brian as the guy who did this and did that, all of which he did a half century ago, and that surely he must be doing the same thing today. Either they aren't aware that the Brian Wilson of today, or for the last 30 years for that matter, is just a shadow of that artist. It used to bother me more; I've now grown accustomed to it, though obviously not completely. Oh, it's not going to change, and I wonder how much of the reason is sympathy, something Mike Love will never receive.
You mentioned the term "reverence". No argument here. Of course Brian deserves that, and he certainly receives his share. But, doesn't there come a time, oh, maybe after fifty years, where his new records and current live performances should be previewed and reviewed, not by what he did, but by what he IS DOING TODAY. It's easy for me to sit here and say that; I don't have to publish the criticism. But, I wouldn't call that being irreverent. Maybe just being honest. What a concept, huh.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 20, 2021 23:16:21 GMT
Well, I had good intentions. ... I still see something of a double standard - comparing today's Brian Wilson with the Brian Wilson of the 1960's. And I do see that, almost regularly in fact. Like I posted above, most journalists and most fans, BB diehards or just the average music fan, STILL compare or refer to Brian as the guy who did this and did that, all of which he did a half century ago, and that surely he must be doing the same thing today. Either they aren't aware that the Brian Wilson of today, or for the last 30 years for that matter, is just a shadow of that artist. It used to bother me more; I've now grown accustomed to it, though obviously not completely. Oh, it's not going to change, and I wonder how much of the reason is sympathy, something Mike Love will never receive. That you had good intentions, I'll always trust!
The rest of what I quoted above, I basically agree with you.
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