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Post by carllove on Jun 5, 2021 1:56:04 GMT
I am so tired of all of The Beach Boys fans on Facebook who really think that Mike and Bruce should not be included in a possible 60th Anniversary tour. To me - What is the point then, if Brian is already performing with Al and Blondie and Mike with Bruce? If I can get tickets to the San Diego show with Brian, I’m going because my daughter lives in La Jolla and I’ve had tickets forever for the much delayed “Beach Boys” concert in Kansas City at the Kaufman Center in Kansas City in February. Neither excites me as much as seeing everyone together one last time though. Yeah - Mike is an ass - but he is an integral part of The Beach Boys and to me, with the boys getting on in years and the voices fading, The Whole is now greater than the parts. What is your opinion? I’d pay pretty much anything and go anywhere to see Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, Blondie and David together again one more time. I’d even go for Stamos singing Forever and I’d be ok with some Sugar Ray Fly.
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Post by B.E. on Jun 5, 2021 2:33:05 GMT
I'd rather see them together. Most importantly - Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce. I'm not really a fan of Blondie's stage presence, but I'd appreciate his inclusion as a former Beach Boy. Between the two, I'd be more interested in David's participation. As for Stamos and Sugar Ray? They'd cheapen the experience for me.
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Post by carllove on Jun 5, 2021 3:18:51 GMT
I'd rather see them together. Most importantly - Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce. I'm not really a fan of Blondie's stage presence, but I'd appreciate his inclusion as a former Beach Boy. Between the two, I'd be more interested in David's participation. As for Stamos and Sugar Ray? They'd cheapen the experience for me. I can see your point about Stamos and Mark McGrath, though that wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me. I’d rather see them perform to rest the “boys” voices between songs, than see a tribute performance. I would really like to see Blondie sing Sail on Sailor and Wild Honey, though. Definitely would love to see David Marks. He is the youngest of the “boys” and maybe other than Al, still has the best voice at present.
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Post by kds on Jun 5, 2021 3:38:45 GMT
If you're going to do a C60, bring it all on - Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, David, Blondie, Ricky, bring out Stamos for a song.
I know Mike's got his foibles, but the hatred for him is so ridiculously over the top that it's robbed a very vocal portion of The Beach Boys fanbase from enjoying the music they claim to love.
I struck up a conversation with a fan at one of Brian's Pet Sounds shows in 2016. The guy bragged about seeing Brian 200 times, but was most "proud" of the fact that he didn't attend a 2012 reunion show because he "didn't want to give Mike any money." That just makes no sense to me.
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Post by carllove on Jun 5, 2021 4:06:22 GMT
If you're going to do a C60, bring it all on - Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, David, Blondie, Ricky, bring out Stamos for a song. I know Mike's got his foibles, but the hatred for him is so ridiculously over the top that it's robbed a very vocal portion of The Beach Boys fanbase from enjoying the music they claim to love. I struck up a conversation with a fan at one of Brian's Pet Sounds shows in 2016. The guy bragged about seeing Brian 200 times, but was most "proud" of the fact that he didn't attend a 2012 reunion show because he "didn't want to give Mike any money." That just makes no sense to me. Makes no sense to me either. No Mike Love - No “All I Wanna Do”, one of my favorite Beach Boys Songs. The Surf songs wouldn’t be the same either. He helped keep The Beach Boys alive after Carl passed away. His contribution cannot be dismissed. Brian may be the genius behind the sound, but Mike has been the “cheerleader” for The Beach Boys. Brian has come and gone and come and gone, but Mike has always been there. Can’t ignore that, no matter how dislikable he can be otherwise.
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Post by kds on Jun 5, 2021 4:26:42 GMT
If you're going to do a C60, bring it all on - Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, David, Blondie, Ricky, bring out Stamos for a song. I know Mike's got his foibles, but the hatred for him is so ridiculously over the top that it's robbed a very vocal portion of The Beach Boys fanbase from enjoying the music they claim to love. I struck up a conversation with a fan at one of Brian's Pet Sounds shows in 2016. The guy bragged about seeing Brian 200 times, but was most "proud" of the fact that he didn't attend a 2012 reunion show because he "didn't want to give Mike any money." That just makes no sense to me. Makes no sense to me either. No Mike Love - No “All I Wanna Do”, one of my favorite Beach Boys Songs. The Surf songs wouldn’t be the same either. He helped keep The Beach Boys alive after Carl passed away. His contribution cannot be dismissed. Brian may be the genius behind the sound, but Mike has been the “cheerleader” for The Beach Boys. Brian has come and gone and come and gone, but Mike has always been there. Can’t ignore that, no matter how dislikable he can be otherwise. I couldn't agree more. And Mike did write some very good lyrics in the prime years.
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Post by carllove on Jun 5, 2021 4:33:24 GMT
I made an email request via the Mike Love website, that in light of the release of the Feel Flows box set, that he perform Big Sur and All I Wanna Do at the Kansas City concert and Bruce perform Disney Girls and Tears in the Morning. They have not been on the most recent set lists, but a girl can dream!
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Post by kds on Jun 5, 2021 4:40:24 GMT
I made an email request via the Mike Love website, that in light of the release of the Feel Flows box set, that he perform Big Sur and All I Wanna Do at the Kansas City concert and Bruce perform Disney Girls and Tears in the Morning. They have not been on the most recent set lists, but a girl can dream! I saw them in early 2016 at a theater in Baltimore. Bruce sang Disney Girls. And I found out on another forum that All I Wanna Do was on the setlist, but was scratched. Ugh!!
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Post by carllove on Jun 5, 2021 4:59:33 GMT
I made an email request via the Mike Love website, that in light of the release of the Feel Flows box set, that he perform Big Sur and All I Wanna Do at the Kansas City concert and Bruce perform Disney Girls and Tears in the Morning. They have not been on the most recent set lists, but a girl can dream! I saw them in early 2016 at a theater in Baltimore. Bruce sang Disney Girls. And I found out on another forum that All I Wanna Do was on the setlist, but was scratched. Ugh!! What! That must have been so disappointing! Glad you got to see Bruce sing Disney Girls though. I would love to hear him play The Nearest Faraway Place as well. Beautiful song.
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Post by kds on Jun 5, 2021 5:06:28 GMT
I saw them in early 2016 at a theater in Baltimore. Bruce sang Disney Girls. And I found out on another forum that All I Wanna Do was on the setlist, but was scratched. Ugh!! What! That must have been so disappointing! Glad you got to see Bruce sing Disney Girls though. I would love to hear him play The Nearest Faraway Place as well. Beautiful song. I enjoy Nearest Faraway Place too. Bruce sang Disney Girls at a 2012 reunion show I attended too, but I still wasn't as into the song then, so I appreciated the 2016 performance more.
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Post by jk on Jun 5, 2021 9:16:35 GMT
I'm not in favour of a last reunion. It's time they stopped, in my opinion, in and out of the studio -- surely they've said their goodbyes in both places already. So shoot me! Good call title-wise, cl. Mike-bashing is pathetic -- I've never been able to understand it.
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 5, 2021 11:56:49 GMT
The bashing does get old, even though I have (and I think many of us have) joined in from time to time--about all the Boys, frankly. (Though Mike is such an easy target.)
I voted yes for everyone, including Stamos. And it's not that I specifically prefer to see Stamos, it's almost a vicarious bit of trolling. But the spirit of it really is just I'll happily take what comes. and I have nothing against Stamos whatsoever. No, he's not a Beach Boy, but yes, he's around a lot. Sure, Mike talks about him in a funny way, as if he's a massive, A-list celebrity who draws legions of fans, and that's not really true.
But who cares? Well, admittedly, apparently a lot of people!
But not me. I say Stamos is living a life many wish they could.
And Mike? Annoying, sure. I find his stage presence annoying. I don't like most of his lyrics written since roughly 1973. Oh well: he's a core Beach Boy. Also annoying, a very good musician who spends an inordinate amount of time adjusting his mic stand and clapping for Mike (including metaphorically, in interviews). But he's a Beach Boy.
If we're talking about reunions, there has to be a reunion. Not the status quo or some idealized future project.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jun 5, 2021 12:40:07 GMT
A lot to cover here. My vote is FOR ALL OF 'EM, but with certain, specific parameters. I think you have to start with the main/original Beach Boys - Brian, Mike, Al, David, and Bruce. I mean, that is the purpose of a reunion...to reunite. Hey, it worked in 2012; do it again. I do think Blondie has earned the right to be included. First, he was an "official" Beach Boy, albeit for a short period of time and for only an album or two. Plus, he has worked his way back into the fold with his affiliation with Brian Wilson for years now. I would either include him in the main lineup or give him a little, mini-set (performing "Sail On Sailor", "Wild Honey", and maybe "Feel Flows") as kind of an intermission if Brian and/or Mike want to take a short break. Then, Blondie could either stay on stage with the band or come back for the encores. Now, Stamos. Do you think the guy earned the right to at least make a cameo appearance? Yes, but very brief. Post-1985(?), no non-Beach Boy has been more loyal or has given the group more "exposure" than this guy. Wherever Stamos ends up, he always makes room for The Beach Boys. Does he benefit from it? Hell yeah, but who cares (that was a rhetorical question; there are many fans who do care). I think I would bring him out to sing "Forever" if they don't feature Dennis via video, and then bring him back for the encores on percussion or something. I don't think I would let him drum or even strap a guitar on him, though. Finally, Ricky Fataar. Since he also was an official Beach Boy, and since this would probably be the last waltz, it would be nice to include him. I think the best way to utilize him would be to accompany Blondie on the aforementioned mini-set, and then have him come out for the encores on percussion or something.
OK, Michael Edward Love and the bashing...I adopted this philosophy a long time ago and I don't see myself changing it. Nevermind the musical contributions, or lack of. Mike Love is a jerk. He has proven that consistently over the last 60 years. However, take a look at who was in the same band with him, namely Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson. There weren't many bigger jerks than those two, either. Now, take a piece of paper and make three columns, one for Mike, Brian, and Dennis. Then, start listing all of the "jerkish behaviors" from those guys through the years. When I look at my list, I realize that I can't single out Mike Love. And I don't. I've said this before on other message boards, much to the disagreement of most readers/posters. If you are a fan of Brian and Dennis Wilson, then I would be very careful to bash or single out Mike Love. What is that cliche' about calling the kettle black?
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Post by Kapitan on Jun 5, 2021 12:48:09 GMT
YES.
Let's say you're a musician in a band trying to make a living. You're a grown-up, not 20, 22, but 30 or so. It's the '70s. Speaking honestly, who would you rather be in a band with of Brian, Mike, Dennis, Al, and Carl?
You can romanticize genius and forgive the "crazy, tortured" aspect that so often is lumped together with it ... but try working productively beside a mentally ill, drug-addled Brian Wilson. Try working productively beside a raging alcoholic, drug-addled, unreliable Dennis Wilson. For his artistic flaws--and of those, there are many--Mike at least appears to have been professional, reliable, and business-minded, even if his business instincts weren't necessarily great.
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Post by B.E. on Jun 5, 2021 14:10:51 GMT
Let's say you're a musician in a band trying to make a living. You're a grown-up, not 20, 22, but 30 or so. It's the '70s. Speaking honestly, who would you rather be in a band with of Brian, Mike, Dennis, Al, and Carl?
You can romanticize genius and forgive the "crazy, tortured" aspect that so often is lumped together with it ... but try working productively beside a mentally ill, drug-addled Brian Wilson. Try working productively beside a raging alcoholic, drug-addled, unreliable Dennis Wilson. For his artistic flaws--and of those, there are many--Mike at least appears to have been professional, reliable, and business-minded, even if his business instincts weren't necessarily great.
If we are trying to make a living (so, both performing and recording) and we can only pick one: Carl. But, he too suffered for a period due to drug abuse and he's not contributing much as a songwriter. That said, I think he's bringing the most to the table. Al might be next, or Dennis. Yes, he's unreliable, but he didn't really become what you described until 1978 (and even then you'd still be getting the Bambu/ L.A. tracks). He's giving you the most to work with songwriting-wise and outside of Brian's legend he's the most appealing to audiences. Depending on the type of band, you might go with Mike, such as, if you're a Beach Boys tribute band (or the actual Beach Boys), but do you want him being your lead singer? Your frontman? Do you really want him in the studio other than to sing bass vocals? And, good point about his business instincts. Do you want to spend more time battling him for control of the group or creating music? And that leaves Brian - you don't want him on stage with you, but I'm guessing you'd choose him over the rest in the studio. Even though he's often extremely reluctant to participate, wouldn't you chance it to make music with him? You might think you'd go bankrupt, but record companies were still willing to pay big bucks for Brian's songwriting/producers credit. I'm not attempting to bash Mike here, I'm just arguing the other side a little bit and enjoying fantasizing about being in a band with the individual Beach Boys! As for SJS' post about Mike, Brian, and Dennis all being jerks, I can't say I agree. I'm hesitant to call any of them jerks. I can see the argument that Mike and Dennis are, but not really Brian. Kind of like trolling online - occasionally making a trollish comment doesn't make one a troll. Brian was just very difficult to work with. I'd also wager that the jerkish behavior in Mike's column had a greater affect on the group at large (and thus fans' experiences) than Dennis' did (which were undoubtedly detrimental behind the scenes, and a particular nuisance to Mike, but otherwise affected Dennis, individually, moreso than the group. Just a thought. I won't necessarily stick to it!
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