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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jul 31, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
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Post by kds on Jul 31, 2020 13:32:35 GMT
Apparently, the Legal Dept is having trouble getting in touch with Reggie Dunbar.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 31, 2020 14:50:18 GMT
While that explanation is believable, I also would just always take these statements with a grain of salt. Many, many people claim to know someone, or have asked someone, and provide info that is later shown to be false. (That doesn't mean they didn't hear or believe what they said, mind you. It just means even if they did, they were wrong.)
The gentleman to whom this person supposedly in the know is, or at least shares the name with, a longtime BBs-world pessimist-skeptic who, if I'm not mistaken, personally guaranteed BWPS would not happen, Smile sessions box would not happen, reunion would not happen, etc. Proximity to a proven unreliable source does not imply one's own unreliability. Just a coincidence in this case that helps demonstrate my general skepticism of people online.
(Also if I'm misremembering my BBs online history, I am seriously sorry. I don't mean to be unfair to anyone's track record.)
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 31, 2020 14:55:08 GMT
I do want to say, though, track selection? I thought it was DONE-done. If that's the case, the track selection is a horse already out of the barn...
And getting the songwriters' credits lined up, as SJS said, they've had quite a long while to work on it.
I wish I knew more about the legality of things, but if those people don't own the recordings, can they stand in the way regardless? People can cover someone else's song anytime they want: they just have to pay the appropriate fees (mechanical royalties?). It isn't a negotiation, I don't think, so much as just a matter-of-fact cost, like the tax on your bill. You can't take a Beach Boys recording and put it on your new album; but you can certainly record and release your version of a Beach Boys song as long as you pay that fee. Realistically, how likely is it that some now-mostly anonymous Beach Boys one-time collaborator can hold up a release of Beach Boys music already recorded by the Beach Boys based on that? I truly don't know, but I am slightly skeptical.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 31, 2020 17:43:09 GMT
People can cover someone else's song anytime they want: they just have to pay the appropriate fees (mechanical royalties?). It isn't a negotiation, I don't think, so much as just a matter-of-fact cost, like the tax on your bill. You can't take a Beach Boys recording and put it on your new album; but you can certainly record and release your version of a Beach Boys song as long as you pay that fee.
It's been a while since I read about it, but I believe this only applies to covers of released songs. The first mechanical license is granted by the composer or their publisher. But, once it's out, it's out.
Realistically, how likely is it that some now-mostly anonymous Beach Boys one-time collaborator can hold up a release of Beach Boys music already recorded by the Beach Boys based on that? I truly don't know, but I am slightly skeptical.
Yeah, I'm highly skeptical that this could be the main issue or a potential deal-breaker, but it did occur to me that maybe BRI is playing hardball over some (in Howie's estimation) insignificant legal issue or another. (Possibly involving credits, percentages, tracklists, etc.) As far as he's concerned - it's done. As you said in a previous post, it could be some "laughably-too-late" negotiating. So, yes, I'm skeptical, and I absolutely take all these posts and rumors with multiple grains of salt, but there's some commonality there.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 31, 2020 17:50:50 GMT
Thanks for that, B.E., that first answer would help clarify the situation and could indeed be a problem. If they've never had to negotiate the rights legally before, I can see that it COULD be the issue. Though that second part, it seems, still applies (as we seem to have agreed). Somebody COULD play hardball, but it's kind of funny if you were one of three co-writers on a song nobody gave two shits about for 50 years. You're not sitting on an unreleased Stairway to Heaven, here!
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Mike's the Greatest!!
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Post by Mike's the Greatest!! on Jul 31, 2020 21:21:20 GMT
Just want to say I am kind of surprised how many are barking at the possibility of "having" to spend $50 to $100. That really ain't much dough in the scheme of things anymore. To me I will buy the darned thing just because I can't imagine that they would have much more of interest to reissue in the future. The catalog dropped off sharply after this. So for me, this is (regarding a physical release) the equivalent of "gotta take that one last ride!"...
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 31, 2020 21:32:19 GMT
I personally plan to buy it more or less regardless (based on what I know or assume it will contain, consist of, and cost). But people who might not have the expendable income and/or need (or even just want) to prioritize should do so without criticism. And to say $50-100 isn't much money depends entirely on whether someone has a spare $50-100 to spend on an album.
Nobody owes the Beach Boys or anyone else anything. Hell, considering the band seems to be jerking around its fans again, there's a small part of me that from time to time wants to tell them to fuck off. Plenty of people shelled out serious money for the Smile box, the MiC box, and even the multidisc sets like Sunshine tomorrow. Apparently that goodwill was met by yet another round of the group squabbling, bickering, delaying, etc.
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Post by kds on Aug 1, 2020 0:35:01 GMT
Just want to say I am kind of surprised how many are barking at the possibility of "having" to spend $50 to $100. That really ain't much dough in the scheme of things anymore. To me I will buy the darned thing just because I can't imagine that they would have much more of interest to reissue in the future. The catalog dropped off sharply after this. So for me, this is (regarding a physical release) the equivalent of "gotta take that one last ride!"... $50-$100 isn't a ton of money in the grand scheme of things. But some of us have expenses that might made it difficult to justify dropping that much on an archive music release, especially if 60-70% of it consists of remixes and slightly alternate versions. I'd like to see them do two releases like with the Smile Sessions. But, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 5, 2020 20:03:10 GMT
I had the urge to watch/listen to Stephen Desper's Sunflower/Surf's Up era study videos the other day, only to be reminded that he took down the entire website. As far as I can tell, it's still down. Maybe there's currently a hex on this material?
On a serious note - as late as this past winter, he had mentioned not being contacted by BRI about the box set. And, on a more serious note, he hasn't been active on the forums lately, so I hope all is well.
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Post by Kapitan on Aug 5, 2020 20:07:55 GMT
It really was a shame he had removed them, as my recollection is that it was done because people contradicted his claim of Carl singing lead on a version of "Sail On, Sailor" that to most everyone (myself included) sounded like Blondie.
That said, I would also say a) he should have been a seminal piece of the Feel Flows box, and if indeed he never was contacted during its assembly, that's a dirty shame, and b) ditto on the hopes he's in good health. Obviously as are we all, he is getting older and I believe has had some health issues he has discussed in the past. His contributions to the band's output are really valuable to me.
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Post by kds on Aug 5, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
Mr. Desper probably grew tired of being "corrected" by people on a certain forum.
But, I do hope everything's alright.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 5, 2020 21:04:32 GMT
Mr. Desper probably grew tired of being "corrected" by people on a certain forum. It wasn't just SSMB. According to Desper, numerous forums were discussing it, including engineering forums. As Kapitan said, it's a shame how it all went down. I do recall Desper mentioning making it available again, but nothing seems to have come of it.
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Post by B.E. on Aug 5, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
I would also say ... he should have been a seminal piece of the Feel Flows box, and if indeed he never was contacted during its assembly, that's a dirty shame
The more I think about it, the sadder it is. I tracked down these two quotes from 12/25/2019: No one has contacted me from BRI. I am on good terms with everyone in the band, engineers and management, but heard nothing. I'm certain they are aware of the study-videos I published some time ago. I know Alan Boyd (who wrote the Preface to my book, Recording The Beach Boys), and Mark Linnet (who posts here) are aware of the study-videos and their content, but still silence from the west coast.He may have been interviewed afterwards, at least?
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Post by kds on Aug 6, 2020 12:09:42 GMT
Mr. Desper probably grew tired of being "corrected" by people on a certain forum. It wasn't just SSMB. According to Desper, numerous forums were discussing it, including engineering forums. As Kapitan said, it's a shame how it all went down. I do recall Desper mentioning making it available again, but nothing seems to have come of it. And, even if Desper was incorrect on the vocal, I thought the "gotcha" attitude that he met with with a bit much.
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