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Post by kds on Jul 6, 2020 15:05:20 GMT
I think Roger Waters always needed a collaborator with more of a musical sense. In Floyd, he had Gilmour and Wright, as well as Bob Ezrin later, who really helped make The Wall the great album it is. Post Floyd, Roger is an island, which is why his solo material can be a little lacking in the melody department. Although I think, as sparse as it is, It's a Miracle is an amazing song. I do think if Bob Ezrin had been on board for ATD, he could've elevated it from a good album to a great album.
Brian, on the other hand, had Scott Bennett to help him put together TLOS.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 6, 2020 15:16:26 GMT
I think that's exactly right.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 6, 2020 15:55:34 GMT
In May 1964, the Beach Boys released a single that (in a timely coincidence) reached #1 on the charts on July 4 of that year: "I Get Around" became their first #1 hit in the USA.
It replaced Peter & Gordon's "A World Without Love" and was a few weeks later replaced at the top spot by Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons's "Rag Doll."
What do you think? In our first Beach Boys vs. Two Everybodies, how do you rate the 3-way matchup?
Peter & Gordon, "A World Without Love"
Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons, "Rag Doll"
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Post by kds on Jul 6, 2020 16:26:38 GMT
I had to think about this 1964 three way (giggity) for about a millisecond.
The Beach Boys all the way. A World Without Love is a great song, there's no comparison to me when compared to The Beach Boys' best all time early rocker.
Four Seasons, surfers rule. Sorry, I've never been a huge fan. I find Frankie Valli's falsetto to be very grating.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 6, 2020 16:42:54 GMT
I had to think about this 1964 three way (giggity) for about a millisecond. The Beach Boys all the way. A World Without Love is a great song, there's no comparison to me when compared to The Beach Boys' best all time early rocker. Four Seasons, surfers rule. Sorry, I've never been a huge fan. I find Frankie Valli's falsetto to be very grating. We agree straight down the line: Beach Boys by a mile with what I consider their best rock and roll song ever; Peter and Gordon with a really nice song; and then the Four Seasons well behind both.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 6, 2020 17:01:38 GMT
I'll agree with The Beach Boys by a decision but not by a mile. I think they are all great songs, they all have great lyrics, and all performances are outstanding.
I'm a little biased with "Rag Doll" because we had the 45 growing up and I still remember singing along to it. Frankie can be shrill but I like his vocals on this record. I've never been a huge fan of "A World Without Love" but I've actually come to appreciate it more as I get older for some reason. The melody sticks with you - of course, Paul McCartney wrote it.
What can you say about "I Get Around"? It's probably Brian's best fast song. And maybe Mike's, too. Hey, it went to No. 1 during the height of Beatlemania! Yep, "I Get Around" wins.
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Post by B.E. on Jul 6, 2020 17:33:10 GMT
The winner is a no-brainer for me - "I Get Around". I think it's one of the best records ever made. "Rag Doll" is a bona fide classic as well, but objectively I still think "I Get Around" is a notch above it. Subjectively, I prefer Brian and the boys' style in every way. Brian's falsetto was special. Most male singers can't pull it off. On Frankie Valli, I agree with KDS - more grating than not. I don't consider "A World Without Love" to be a great song, but, as Kapitan said, it's really nice. I think it sounds like what it was - (a very good performance of) an average Lennon-McCartney song of the time. "I Get Around" mops the floor with it. Only the best Lennon-McCartney songs rival it, IMO. Here's another link for "A World Without Love". The backing track is hard to hear in the version above.
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Post by bellbottoms on Jul 7, 2020 13:03:44 GMT
I Get Around, hands down. Then A World Without Love, then Rag Doll.
When I think about I Get Around knocking A World Without Love out of #1, I get a bit of a thrill. AWWL is a beautiful song, but I Get Around just rocks, and at the time I can imagine it must have sounded really fresh and new and innovative. AWWL had every right to be there, but just didn't know what was coming for it. Rag Doll on the other hand manages to knock I Get Around out of #1? Well that I don't understand. It's so pedestrian. But them's the charts.
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Post by kds on Jul 10, 2020 13:19:14 GMT
Who wants to go sailing? Any sailors out there?
Sail on Sailor (1973) v Jimmy Buffett - Son of a Son of a Sailor (1978)
Brianistas vs Parrotheads....actually, that's not fair, Parrotheads are actually nice, easy going folk. Um....let's just focus on these two songs, shall we?
The two kings of summertime music - The Beach Boys and Jimmy Buffett released great sailor songs in the 1970s. The Beach Boys' song is a fairly rustic and soulful song, thanks to the lead vocals of Blondie Chaplin. Jimmy's Sailor song is a little more laid back and breezy, and almost yacht rock-ish. It's also more singer songwriter esque than some of the island infused music Mr. Buffett has released.
So, I'm going to go with Mr. Buffett on this one. Son of a Son is one of the reasons I'm a Buffett fan today. I was drawn to his more acoustic based ballads before I really went all in on his brand of trop / island / country / pop rock. I do love Sail On Sailor, but I love Son of a Son of a Sailor just a little more. Although, it's also mid July. I've been on a big Buffett kick, and I typically stop listening to his music once the weather cools in late September. So, if this question were posed in January, I'd learn towards The Beach Boys.
For good measure, Jimmy Buffett recorded his own version of Sail On Sailor in 2003, and true to form it's a more laid back, breezy version.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 10, 2020 13:27:25 GMT
This is my first time hearing "Son of a Son of a Sailor," but I think I'd pick it over "Sail On, Sailor." I've never been a big fan of the latter: to me, it drags and is generally uninteresting. Buffett's song isn't exactly a classic, but it's nice. And there is something cheeky about "son of a son of a" in the lyric, as there are two famous "son of a" cliches (which he doesn't use). Very country-music move, that.
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Post by kds on Jul 10, 2020 13:43:13 GMT
Buffett takes an early 2-0 lead. Didn't see that coming.
I was force fed Buffett in the mid 1990s, when my ride during my sophomore year in HS played a cassette of "Songs You Know By Heart" in his truck. Then, later, in my early 20s, my roommates were Buffett fans, so I heard the music in the house a lot in summer, and occasionally on the jukebox when we'd go to a bar. Somehow it didn't resonate with me until I was 25, going on 26.
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Post by Kapitan on Jul 10, 2020 13:54:29 GMT
I was force fed Buffett in the mid 1990s, when my ride during my sophomore year in HS played a cassette of "Songs You Know By Heart" in his truck. Then, later, in my early 20s, my roommates were Buffett fans, so I heard the music in the house a lot Quick OT, but my main recollection of being force-fed music was my sophomore year of college, when my roommate surprisingly turned out to be a BIG fan of JOHN TESH. I kid you not. He had a few other somewhat surprising soft-rock favorites (failing to recall them now), but he had, liked, and listened to Sax on the Beach, among others. We were 19 or 20, not 51-year-old divorcees going through midlife crises and trying to pick up younger women by throwing money around. My goodness...
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Post by kds on Jul 10, 2020 13:57:46 GMT
I was force fed Buffett in the mid 1990s, when my ride during my sophomore year in HS played a cassette of "Songs You Know By Heart" in his truck. Then, later, in my early 20s, my roommates were Buffett fans, so I heard the music in the house a lot Quick OT, but my main recollection of being force-fed music was my sophomore year of college, when my roommate surprisingly turned out to be a BIG fan of JOHN TESH. I kid you not. He had a few other somewhat surprising soft-rock favorites (failing to recall them now), but he had, liked, and listened to Sax on the Beach, among others. We were 19 or 20, not 51-year-old divorcees going through midlife crises and trying to pick up younger women by throwing money around. My goodness... Wow, John Tesh. I know somebody in PR for the Baltimore Orioles was a fan. His music was featured in the highlight tapes for the 1992 & 1993, and a piece of his called "Year One" was played when Cal Ripken broke Lou Gehrig's consecutive games record in 1995. And I thought it was odd that my roommates, each of us around 21 at the time, were into Buffett, Phil Collins (who had still had to become cool again), and Billy Joel.
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 10, 2020 14:00:05 GMT
Not being a Jimmy Buffett fan, I wasn't familiar with "Son Of A Son Of A Sailor" either. So, I'm voting after just one listen. It's a good song. It's nice to hear a Buffett song that isn't exactly...fun loving. I know he's recorded them, I'm just not familiar with them. This song is nice but there's no real peak or highlight for me. It just kinda goes along.
I am a big fan of "Sail On Sailor". I usually like all Beach Boys' songs from the onset, but "Sail On Sailor" has grown on me through the decades. Unfortunately, I think Brian's lyricists - whoever they were on "Sail On Sailor" - really let the song down. The lyrics are uncomfortable-sounding; they are not attractive lyrics. With better lyrics, "Sail On Sailor" would've been an all-timer. I still rate it very high in the catalogue. And, it's easily better than "Son Of A Son Of A Sailor"
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Post by Sheriff John Stone on Jul 10, 2020 14:04:14 GMT
John Tesh has recorded some really nice Christmas music.
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